Punchy Dan:
Anyone know if on a positive steer it’s just the 2 m12 bolts holding the wedge to the front turntable or have I missed something,just trying to free it up as it needs a forklift to pull 5 th wheel handle out
Hi Dan. I get the same problem with mine, ie occasionally difficult to pull the release lever.
I find if I take the red line off then just kick the unit back a wee bit, that allows me to pull the handle normally.
Just some clueless office bod who has been brainwashed by the firm into thinking their rulebook & way of doing things is gospel.
Drivers don’t half get fed some absolute ■■■■■ regarding whats going to get them “done” by the DVSA, just scare tactics to get you to comply with company policy.
Adding to the problem, a number of those brainwashed with these falsehoods are going on to be DCPC instructors 
rob22888:
Just some clueless office bod who has been brainwashed by the firm into thinking their rulebook & way of doing things is gospel.Drivers don’t half get fed some absolute [zb] regarding whats going to get them “done” by the DVSA, just scare tactics to get you to comply with company policy.
Adding to the problem, a number of those brainwashed with these falsehoods are going on to be DCPC instructors
You are getting more cynical with age Rob 
(Good to catch up with you at Goole btw mate 
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Punchy Dan:
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Problem solved ,home made puller and the gas but still tight all the way ,thank you for replying.
Is it a Tridec Dan? Mine is and has been very little trouble, although it doesn’t get used every day now. I bought it to replace an 8 wheeler LWB. What a revelation!!
SDC John ,wants a bit doing though .
Old John:
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Ere Sarge, has he got a license for that, what the truck or the Trailer, dunno go and ask him, You stupid boy, only need it for the front bit, Thanks Sarge, just I heard a story in the tea room…
Punchy Dan:
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SDC John ,wants a bit doing though .
Sorry Dan, mine is an SDC also, (new in 2014)
It was the steering system manufacturer I was meaning when I asked if it was a Tridec.
Old John:
Punchy Dan:
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SDC John ,wants a bit doing though .Sorry Dan, mine is an SDC also, (new in 2014)
It was the steering system manufacturer I was meaning when I asked if it was a Tridec.
Oh it’s a 2004 mechanical that rectangular box from front to back ,the wedge was that tight I had the forklift on the 5 th wheel release lever 
Punchy Dan:
Old John:
Punchy Dan:
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SDC John ,wants a bit doing though .Sorry Dan, mine is an SDC also, (new in 2014)
It was the steering system manufacturer I was meaning when I asked if it was a Tridec.Oh it’s a 2004 mechanical that rectangular box from front to back ,the wedge was that tight I had the forklift on the 5 th wheel release lever
Aye, that’s the same as mine. Seems a pretty bulletproof arrangement. Like most good ideas, it’s very simple. Dutch by design I believe. Seems they do make SOME good gear.
I did enquire about some 3 yr old ones said to be hydraulic steer .
Drove a few for Morrisons and no questions asked, COOP told us we were all cabbages and to leave them locked at all times on full size trailers and even to leave tag axles down when empty as we were all incompetent!
I personally like them and they made to job easier . If used properly the axle auto locks on reverse too.
Sounds like office staff bullocks to me!
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m.a.n rules:
well, somebody better let allellys and the like know that they’ve been doing it wrong for years with their multi axle super length auto/command steer trailers with just normal (but very experienced ) drivers at the helm…
Obviously not UK drivers !!
Another whoooshhhh I think
If any of this nonsense is true, then this country has gone absolutely bonkers, however, i do believe there is no such ■■■■■■■■ as a C+E+E…its all in someones head, letter or no letter and just a an in house training requirement from the in house gang.
My first time pulling a rear steer albeit back in the 70s/80s was an Italian one…all i had to do was reverse it on the bay for loading…after 30 minutes, they closed the shutters lol, and said give us a knock when its on the bay…phoned the office no one knew how to lock it…looked an absolute idiot…you cant explain to non drivers that a trailer has its own mind, and will go where it wants to when reversing…however after an hour a fellow driver came into the same yard…i explained everything to him…he said…just turn on the side lights…it locks it up…ha ha ha
truckyboy:
If any of this nonsense is true, then this country has gone absolutely bonkers, however, i do believe there is no such [zb] as a C+E+E…its all in someones head, letter or no letter and just a an in house training requirement from the in house gang.
My first time pulling a rear steer albeit back in the 70s/80s was an Italian one…all i had to do was reverse it on the bay for loading…after 30 minutes, they closed the shutters lol, and said give us a knock when its on the bay…phoned the office no one knew how to lock it…looked an absolute idiot…you cant explain to non drivers that a trailer has its own mind, and will go where it wants to when reversing…however after an hour a fellow driver came into the same yard…i explained everything to him…he said…just turn on the side lights…it locks it up…ha ha ha
Are you UK born?
Of all the responses I thank damog for his reply. The rest of you I suppose are enjoying your furlough 80% wages for sitting at home enjoying the barbecue or whatever - some of us are working. Most of you took the opportunity to poke fun at what was a professional issue post - you are INCORRECT.
When one gets a C+E licence you have achieved competence to pull a standard trailer. The standard trailer is in fact a box trailer with opening rear doors (as Peter will no doubt confirm). [Often a training provider will have a curtainsider but for the test the driver is not required to operate anything on the trailer other than the legs and brake]. ANYTHING else in a place of work - it is the driver’s obligation to request training/familiarisation BEFORE going out on the road. Once you leave the yard it is your responsibility. It is the driver’s legal responsibility to demonstrate one has been trained.
When I picked this trailer up I had only been with the company for week. I had been shown an LST in the yard and told to be careful when reversing. I was also given a sheet VS 58/2019 (at induction) but when I got to yard I was bombarded with **** when I’d gone into the traffic office. I didn’t get a chance to say anything as I was supposed to stay the night there and was on 14:45ish duty time… also ■■■■ tired. Had I got a chance to say anything may have remembered. So i did in fact have the sheet AND you do need to carry it.
As for training it depends on the company - this is the issue that some of you may not be aware of. If the employer has “Earned Recognition” status with DVSA. They then have the necessary QA in place to do their own training… whatever that may involve. Your cynicism about training I understand (not great most of the time) but the driver needs to ensure they are covered.
AS for the PG9 - bollox. What they meant was a 165… i.e. tax, insurance and MOT. If you don’t have the certification (can be clarified verbally on the phone if you have a 24 hour office). No 24 hour office then make sure you have the paper with you. Without the sheet the Police/DVSA can impound the vehicle as they will check the insurance issue and driver training. Whilst we might think is not a problem red tape rules. So driver responsibility to ensure all is covered. If a vehicle is impounded (maybe £180k worth) a recovery firm would be delighted - payment has to be made within 7 days. If the boss was on holiday he would not jump with joy… The bill - £2k to tow to the yard, overnight storage cost, fine - as I used to work in recovery the bill could well be close to five figures. A firm simply would not risk it - but always check before driving out.
The paperwork should be a letter from the VCA along with 9 pages (just copied the first) - removed the comany details.
ezydriver:
Montsoreau:
ezydriver:
I just emailed VOSA, and they said you need a C+E+E.Sounds like a load of rubbish to me. Post the reply they sent you
Here’s a copy and paste of the email. It was longer, but I’ve just lifted the part about the longer trailers and the extra license.
Dear Mr Andrews,
Thank you for your enquiry regarding licensing and rear steering semi-trailers over 13.7 metres for use on the UK’s public roads.
We can confirm the licensing requirements to operate semi trailers over 13.7 metres AND with rear steering axles is covered by category C+E+E entitlement. The change of manoeuvrability characteristics of such trailers is considered too great to fall within scope of category C+E. Following trials of longer rear steering semi-trailers between 1st January 2012 and 31st December 2013, the licensing changes came into effect on June 1st 2014. All companies operating such trailers were notified of the changes 6 months in advance, and were advised to retrain drivers to comply.
The decision to require additional licensing was taken after consultation between the DVSA and the Department for Transport. During this consultation, research concluded that drivers of large goods vehicles (LGVs), particularly UK born drivers, are especially prone to lapses of judgement, and have less than average spatial awareness when measured against the general population. This is a serious danger to the public and costs industry and the economy unacceptable and disproportionate losses. It is therefore necessary for drivers who operate rear steering semi-trailers over 13.7 metres to acquire extra licensing entitlement to operate them.
In relation to your question about extending the DCPC training from 35 hours to 42 hours, we can confirm that from September 2022 changes to the DCPC mean that all
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