Is it a legal requirement for the rear stalk marker lights to be working?
as far as imm aware if there fited they should work but i may be wrong
I think its a case of, If its fitted, it must work.
they are auxiliary lighting, and, as such, not part of the MoT
it doesn’t matter if they work or not, you will not get a PG9 for it
if it bothers you that much, change the bulb yourself
Are you sure they are not part of the MOT?
shuttlespanker:
they are auxiliary lighting, and, as such, not part of the MoTit doesn’t matter if they work or not, you will not get a PG9 for it
if it bothers you that much, change the bulb yourself
This ^ +1 , as long as the rear lights show the out line of vehicle your fine
It was the wiring that had corroded on both sides. I defected them for repair on a Friday, so they didn’t get repaired until the monday. I continued to use the vehicle over the weekend. It has side markers 1 foot from rear of vehicle and rear lights can also be seen from the side.
The reason I ask is that my manager had me about it today saying that I broke the law taking it out.
Just wondered what the law was.
without knowing the type of rear lights you have fitted it is not possible to give a clear answer to your question, if your rear light cluster has inbuilt outline markers then the non working lights would not be needed, on the other hand if your rear lights have no outline marker inbuilt then they would be needed
These ■■
Known as position markers I believe.
Anybody had a trailer test pass with one out?
Example above appears to be new style LED
Older ones have a bulb in. The lenses can be quite difficult to get out and back in to change the bulb. Also often the bulb has been in a long time and gets stuck/rusted into the holder.
it is still not possible to answer without knowing what type of rear light cluster’s are fitted to the truck/trailer in question
I have the same type as those in the pic above on my trailer, they are not required as I have outline marker lights in the cluster’s
Some “stalk markers” on new trailers are not lights,they are ultrasonic sensors for reversing.They,via the trailer ecu,apply the brakes for a few seconds when you are a metre from an obstruction.They are powerd by the reversing lights circuit.
They dont light up but have reflector lenses fitted over the transmitter white to the front and red to the rear.
Sometimes they are over sensetive and you have to pull off the “S” susie to get the trailer onto a bay.
And no if a light is fitted to a vehicle it doesnt have to work eg n/s fogs,reverse or a bulb blown in a 2 bulb cluster.
Ha ha, brilliant, so your TM would have preferred you left it in the yard for the sake of the 2 completely superfluous stalk lights.
shuttlespanker:
they are auxiliary lighting, and, as such, not part of the MoTit doesn’t matter if they work or not, you will not get a PG9 for it
You will if they are the side markers required for the prescribed minimum spacing. If they’re just to aid reversing and in addition to any side marker lights or side facing light from the rear lenses then no.
If its fitted it must work unless its auxiliary lighting that can be switched off independently like the big spots on the trucks front and rear.
Providing supplementary or additional help and support.
Its no difference to having all them little lights running around the back of the trailer if 1 is out its a defect unless the lighting is additional to regulations and can be independently switched off from the regulatory lighting…
just to add . some trailers have these fitted but are rear close proximity lighting that when backing to a bay flash the closer you get to the obstruction
Ade, independently switched is irrelevant, it does not matter with auxiliary lighting
If I fitted lots of red LED markers up the back of my air deflector kit, and hard wired them in to the side lights of the truck, with no switches (legal), and one lamp failed, this is still not a defect, as auxiliary lighting does not come in to the MoT standards
The only laws regarding auxiliary lighting is, you can have any colour you like apart from red front facing and white rear facing, and must not flash
Sometimes, if you get a police officer in a bad mood, he will moan about blue lights, possibly even threaten you with prosecution for them, but, the fact is, as long as they don’t flash (or appear to flash) they can’t do anything about it
shuttlespanker:
The only laws regarding auxiliary lighting is, you can have any colour you like apart from red front facing and white rear facing, and must not flashSometimes, if you get a police officer in a bad mood, he will moan about blue lights, possibly even threaten you with prosecution for them, but, the fact is, as long as they don’t flash (or appear to flash) they can’t do anything about it
Not quite correct. You can have a lamp capable of showing any colour except red to the front, and you can only show red to the rear (subject to specific exemptions for reversing lights, number plate lamps, direction indicators, side markers etc).
So blue lights to the rear are not permitted, whether or not they flash, although they are OK to the front (provided they do not resemble a blue warning beacon - even a non-working one).
Requirements about the use of front and rear position lamps, rear registration plate lamps, side marker lamps and end-outline marker lamps
24.–(1) Save as provided in paragraphs (5) and (9), no person shall—
(a)use, or cause or permit to be used, on a road any vehicle which is in motion—.
(i)between sunset and sunrise, or.
(ii)in seriously reduced visibility between sunrise and sunset; or.
(b)allow to remain at rest, or cause or permit to be allowed to remain at rest, on a road any vehicle between sunset and sunrise.
unless every front position lamp, rear position lamp, rear registration plate lamp, side marker lamp and end-outline marker lamp with which the vehicle is required by these Regulations to be fitted is kept lit and unobscured.
nick2008:
Requirements about the use of front and rear position lamps, rear registration plate lamps, side marker lamps and end-outline marker lamps24.–(1) Save as provided in paragraphs (5) and (9), no person shall—
(a)use, or cause or permit to be used, on a road any vehicle which is in motion—.
(i)between sunset and sunrise, or.
(ii)in seriously reduced visibility between sunrise and sunset; or.
(b)allow to remain at rest, or cause or permit to be allowed to remain at rest, on a road any vehicle between sunset and sunrise.
unless every front position lamp, rear position lamp, rear registration plate lamp, side marker lamp and end-outline marker lamp with which the vehicle is required by these Regulations to be fitted is kept lit and unobscured.
the bold part is the key to that sentence, this does not cover AUXILIARY lighting
those rules refer to the factory fitted, mandatory marker lights
shuttlespanker:
those rules refer to the factory fitted, mandatory marker lights
No, they refer to all mandatory lights. Most of these will indeed be factory-fitted, but some (especially those required on overhanging loads or extra equipment) are only fitted as and when needed - typically by the driver. And of course, not all factory-fitted lamps are mandatory anyway…