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bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-35475318

Cyclists will outnumber car drivers entering central London in rush hour in the next few years, according to figures from Transport for London (TfL).
The number of car drivers fell from 137,000 in 2000 to 64,000 in 2014, while those of cyclists trebled from 12,000 to 36,000 over the same period.

Rejoice !

And thats not the end of Da Fabsy news …

The East-West Cycle Superhighway will run through central London - from Tower Hill to Lancaster Gate. The plan is to complete this route by the end of summer 2016.

To make the route safer for cyclists and other road users we are creating:

A wide, substantially segregated, two-way cycle track
Better safety with cyclists separated from traffic along the route at signalised junctions and bus stops
More pedestrian space with widened footways, traffic islands and bus and coach stops
Improved pedestrian crossings

and thats just megafantabulous news for truckies , particularly tipper drivers as they will only be able to maim and kill car drivers with their total disregard to anyone elses safety !!

Great Days just round da corner !

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I think the whole of London should be turned into a cycle track.

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We all agree that driving in London (and some other big cities) is the pits. Getting bicycles into their own lane, and cutting down the number of cars surely has to be good news.

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I guess thats great news - i hope it actually gets done. I still have one or two reservations about your mental state however. I, much like you, would love nothing more than to see London completely devoid of all trucks at all times. I would love even more to witness the utter gridlock and carnage created by the innumerable white vans clogging the entire capital 24/7. Pollution at an all-time high, and all shops and services struggling to merchandise and serve the populations requirements. Id love to replace deranged Boris with your deranged self and watch the fun and games as you re-structured to come in line with your vision of perfection. Particularly enjoyed the royal "we" with regard to constructing this epic mega-super-duper hypersonic cycleway. I just cant see you in a road gang somehow. I also note that you have adopted rastafarianism, and that you are “good with colours”, much like Michael Xavier Portillo.

Well done - you have managed to make a potentially sensible, positive post extremely irritating. Just doing what you do best, really.
Have a nice day.

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I guess thats great news - i hope it actually gets done. I still have one or two reservations about your mental state however. I, much like you, would love nothing more than to see London completely devoid of all trucks at all times. I would love even more to witness the utter gridlock and carnage created by the innumerable white vans clogging the entire capital 24/7. Pollution at an all-time high, and all shops and services struggling to merchandise and serve the populations requirements. Id love to replace deranged Boris with your deranged self and watch the fun and games as you re-structured to come in line with your vision of perfection. Particularly enjoyed the royal "we" with regard to constructing this epic mega-super-duper hypersonic cycleway. I just cant see you in a road gang somehow. I also note that you have adopted rastafarianism, and that you are “good with colours”, much like Michael Xavier Portillo.

Well done - you have managed to make a potentially sensible, positive post extremely irritating. Just doing what you do best, really.
Have a nice day.

Steady on! :open_mouth: :laughing: Though I see nothing wrong with banning trucks in the city. Maybe people will realise it’s not a utopia and spread out a bit, bring some foot-traffic up our end :L (not that I want that. There isn’t enough pubs here as it is…)

And the gridlock? Not our problem. Think time controlled delivery is key. For all deliveries. Vans, cars with parcels, trucks. After 7 up to 7 maybe. Day parcels can be delivered by the cyclists. They do it on the continent (seen in Vienna), even in the quieter bits around the edge. The Australians have postmen on Honda Super Cubs. Deliveries in the day would have to be filed for, or a company could get a permit (so builders wagons, cement mixers etc, all have a permit to be in to build whatever). Cut down the traffic for those that really need to be there in the day, and quieter, less stressful driving for those that don’t. (Coming from Birmingham area, start at 4, have a break on the way down, then you’re in to the city while every zber else is going northbound!).

Of course this is wishful thinking and I’m looking forward to being called an idiot :smiley:

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Particularly enjoyed the royal “we” with regard to constructing this epic mega-super-duper hypersonic cycleway. I just can`t see you in a road gang somehow. I also note that you have adopted rastafarianism, and that you are “good with colours”, much like Michael Xavier Portillo.

my badz .

the royal ‘we’ was a cut and paste quote from TFL , but i dazzled myself calypso colouration a forgot to credit them

tfl.gov.uk/travel-information/i … -east-west

whoops

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htmldude:
Steady on! :open_mouth: :laughing: Though I see nothing wrong with banning trucks in the city. Maybe people will realise it’s not a utopia and spread out a bit, bring some foot-traffic up our end :L (not that I want that. There isn’t enough pubs here as it is…)

And the gridlock? Not our problem. Think time controlled delivery is key. For all deliveries. Vans, cars with parcels, trucks. After 7 up to 7 maybe.

am thinking u mean 7pm to 7am ■■

if so you couldnt be more correct . how much longer before local govs admit they have this all arse about face and night bans are bad for congestion , safety and pollution .

is the same in all cities not just london . ok bristol doesnt have many have a truck ban area as such , but all the shops and warehouses in city have them as part of their planning consent . it drives me nuts

htmldude:
Day parcels can be delivered by the cyclists. They do it on the continent (seen in Vienna), even in the quieter bits around the edge. The Australians have postmen on Honda Super Cubs. Deliveries in the day would have to be filed for, or a company could get a permit (so builders wagons, cement mixers etc, all have a permit to be in to build whatever). Cut down the traffic for those that really need to be there in the day, and quieter, less stressful driving for those that don’t. (Coming from Birmingham area, start at 4, have a break on the way down, then you’re in to the city while every zber else is going northbound!).

Of course this is wishful thinking and I’m looking forward to being called an idiot :smiley:

im not very experienced with people on here talking GREAT sense so dont know really know how to respond .

i think i may double dose my ■■■■■■ meds for a couple of days and then read your post again .

anyways segregating vulnerable road users by curfews and concrete may help stop this sort of calamity again ::

“” Barry Meyer, the tipper truck driver jailed for three and a half years last April after admitting causing the death by careless driving and while unlicensed and uninsured of London cyclist Alan Neve, has failed in his appeal against his sentence.

Mr Neve had been riding his bike from his home in Poplar to his work at PRS Music in Fitzrovia in July 2013 when he was dragged underneath a tipper truck being driven by Meyer.

Appeal Judge William Davis upheld the original sentence yesterday, reports the East London Advertiser (link is external).

Rejecting Meyer’s appeal against his jail sentence, the judge said: “He didn’t pay any attention to other people on the road, in particular the cyclist.

“It’s clear Mr Neve was in full view of Meyer and drove straight over him.”

Noting that it was “a bad case of careless driving that caused death,” he added that the case had a number of aggravating factors.

As we reported at the time of the original trial, where Meyer pleaded guilty, those included that he was uninsured, did not have a valid licence for the type of vehicle he was driving, went through a red light and had a string of convictions for motoring offences.

He had been banned from driving five times and had two convictions for drink-driving.“”

road.cc/content/news/177705-tipp … t-sentence

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Lbh anything done to separate hgv/bus/car/Lycra jockies/wombles is a good thing.

The curfews seem ridiculous, should ban all cars outta London after 9pm, an let all the logistics in from then till say 7am.
Move any large warehouses/industrial places into the industrial suburbs and use small vans during the day if need be to shuttle in the manageable supplies.

Trouble is shops like Tesco don’t have mega amounts of storage, so they run out quicker, now why are they allowed to buy a shoe box for a shop, that’s located in a cave, at bottom of a road paved for midgets, where only a dwarf mouse pulling a oxo cube sized trailer can get?

If they buy a store it should be mandatory that it is fit to cope with the demand it gets, so basement levels should be dug out, making more storage space, the access needs to be properly thought about, and should it run low its either tuff till 9pm delivery or the shuttle comes in.

Utopian I know but everyone plays a part in causing the congestion, so it needs to be changed and made rule, I mean they have put all these no truck rules in so why can’t they change the rules so they actually do work?

Just an idea lol :laughing:

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I have no idea if this is a good idea or not. Only time will tell when/if it ever gets implimented. What I DO know though, is that anyone who thinks this will be end is very much mistaken. The cycling community will keep on demanding more and more till anyone in any other mode of transport is deemed to be a second class citizen. And even at that, they will STILL not be happy.

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The-Snowman:
I have no idea if this is a good idea or not. Only time will tell when/if it ever gets implimented. What I DO know though, is that anyone who thinks this will be end is very much mistaken. …

The intellectuals on this thread , and ■■■■■■■ , have raised many issues : banning night time curfews/bans , seperated bicycle highways , alternative delivery systems , the change of car/cycling ratios and damned dodgy tipper drivers to name a few .

So which bit are you referring to ■■ No room for flimsy im afraid .

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boredwivdrivin:

The-Snowman:
I have no idea if this is a good idea or not. Only time will tell when/if it ever gets implimented. What I DO know though, is that anyone who thinks this will be end is very much mistaken. …

The intellectuals on this thread , and ■■■■■■■ , have raised many issues : banning night time curfews/bans , seperated bicycle highways , alternative delivery systems , the change of car/cycling ratios and damned dodgy tipper drivers to name a few .

So which bit are you referring to ■■ No room for flimsy im afraid .

I thought you might at least have illuminated my user name in multi-coloured glory. No room for inconsistency i`m afraid.

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Can only do that on dawtos lappy . ill edit it in tonight if you like . i presume you have bagsy on pink .

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boredwivdrivin:
The intellectuals on this thread , and ■■■■■■■ , have raised many issues : banning night time curfews/bans , seperated bicycle highways , alternative delivery systems , the change of car/cycling ratios and damned dodgy tipper drivers to name a few .

So which bit are you referring to ■■ No room for flimsy im afraid .

All of it really.
At the moment, all I see is a “us and them” envirinment. The cyclists moan about vehicles not caring about them, vehicle drivers moan about cyclists not caring about the law and so it goes on. Too many from each “camp” have no interest in the other and they are too focused on one upmanship to see the problems they are creating.
Banning night time curfews seems a good idea, but will cyclists be banned during these times? Because if not, the problem simply moves from daytime to nighttime and will be worse due to the worsened visibility. (Incidently, I believe banning bikes is a non starter,im just making a point). Also, will daytime curfews be lifted? As if not, shoving every hgv to nighttime will create more problems than at present.
Seperated bicycle highways are a good idea in principal but the same problems with cycle lanes will apply. Potholes, litter, tree branches etc will cause problems. Being at the side of the road, the surface is inevitibly going to be damaged easier and as soon as a cyclist moves out of the highway and onto the carriageway, you get idiots who straight away think “this is MY bit of road, you have your own” and then you have a problem.
Alternative delivery systems are a non starter as well. In principle and on paper they seem good but in reality and in the real world, these things rarely work out.
Im not looking for an argument with you(Im not in the mood) A debate if you can supply evidence or reasons against anything im about to say or have said will suffice.
As ive said, I see an us and them environment but what I see is the cyclist being given more and more and drivers being demonised and this is creating the problems.
As your original post says, cycles will outnumber cars. Yet still it is not deemed a good idea for SOME sort of idea to be discussed to have someone prove they at least have some knowledge and understanding of how to act on the road and follow the law.
Do you (and remember the not looking for an argument bit her) not think that MAYBE it would be a good idea to have some sort of system in place to have cyclists show they at least understand the law and can respect other road users?
Everyone has a right to use the road but at the moment, vehicle drivers see lots of cyclists (not all but lots) not give a ■■■■ about the law or the highway yet more and more demands are made to protect them. Yes, protection from nutters in vehicles is a must and im all for stiffer penalties for incidents involving bikes, but to create a more equal road using experience, cyclists need to be held accountable for law breaking to the same degree as everyone else.
To keep demanding more and more every time there is an incident only creates animosity. Think about it rationally. Car driver gets fined £100 and has to get another mot for a headlight bulb being out then that same night sees a cyclist with no lights and wearing dark clothing. Or the other favourite. Car driver sits at red light with no other vehicles around yet sees a cyclist have a quick look then batter on through. Safe maybe, but vehicles get 3 points and £100 fine fo rit whether safe or not. Human nature dictates they immedietly sense the injustice. In my opinion, the biggest cause of the problem is that there is almost zero accountability for anyone on two wheels and they have no interest in any law they dont like.
This is what creates the problems and in my opinion,if cyclists were held just as accountable as everyone else then over half the incidents would not happen.
Better educating EVERYONE for road laws and rules would seem the obvious place to start. When learning to drive, placeing more emmphanise on cyclists seems a good idea but when one group of users sees another doing what they please while constantly demanding more is done to protect them then anything that gets implimented is anon starter and a complete waste of tax payers money.
Not every cyclist is bad just like not every motorist is bad. But the ones who ARE are ruining it for the rest of us

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^^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^

I think even some responsible cyclists are sick of the silly ones that gives them a bad name and tars them with the same brush.
It’s probably why some made that satirical video of cyclists being thrown in the back of a van.

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You are unlikely to get in an argument with me as im not the argumentative type . ill address your valid points when/if i get home to the lappy .

But briefly the cyclehighway move is to seperate the motor driven and non motor driven from each other with a kerb and not just white lines . obviously this is good thing , but probably expensive . have not seen much evidence of this outside of london tho .

Also i think that increasing the responsibility of cyclists risks ruining the free love easy come easy go cheap and cheerful nature of cycling that many find so attractive . hardly anyone dies if run over by a bike so we must recognise that as the risk posed by cyclists is so low that responsibilty of cyclists is similarly low to non existant .as oppossed to the risk/responsibility ratio created by tippers for example

I shall proceed carefully thru yours and B83s posts laterz .

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boredwivdrivin:
Also i think that increasing the responsibility of cyclists risks ruining the free love easy come easy go cheap and cheerful nature of cycling that many find so attractive . hardly anyone dies if run over by a bike so we must recognise that as the risk posed by cyclists is so low that responsibilty of cyclists is similarly low to non existant .as oppossed to the risk/responsibility ratio created by tippers for example

The point is about them considering their actions more to protect themselves!!!

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I think a lot of blame can be put on the drivers, when a driver gets a delivery for a big town which has problems ( london springs to mind ) just refuse to do it…The same as these new doors that have to be fitted to vehicles coming into London, to protect cyclist…so why dont bosses say cant afford them doors, or that conversion…so we are not going to so and so from now on…yes he will lose the work, but ifn others follow suit, with the ridiculous rates that are bounding around, how can they possibly pay for truck conversions, when they cannot afford to give a driver a decent rate of pay…so drivers again, still work for crap money and conditions…when with the shortage of drivers…surely the world is their oyster…but they wont will they ?