Through gatehouse and round the back to where the trucks that are waiting sit.
Go and hand in the relevant paperwork, and ask the guy how long he reckons they will be before they get to me. About an hour and a half he says.
No probs so far.
The thing is there is no parking to wait until it is your turn to tip there. It’s basically a long line of lorries that move up every once in a while.
So the question is how do you record this?? Say i am lorry number six in the queue that means i am going to have to move 5 times before it is my ‘turn’.
Through gatehouse and round the back to where the trucks that are waiting sit.
Go and hand in the relevant paperwork, and ask the guy how long he reckons they will be before they get to me. About an hour and a half he says.
No probs so far.
The thing is there is no parking to wait until it is your turn to tip there. It’s basically a long line of lorries that move up every once in a while.
So the question is how do you record this?? Say i am lorry number six in the queue that means i am going to have to move 5 times before it is my ‘turn’.
Hope you can see the point of this question.
Cheers
Presumably you don’t know how long you will be waiting between each move of the vehicle so technically it’s not POA.
Two of the requirements of POA are that you don’t have to stay at the work station (though you can if you wish), and you should know how long you will be waiting, you don’t need to be told this, for instance if you know for previous experience that it will be twenty minutes before you move the vehicle, that’s good enough.
But if you have no idea how long it will be before you move, then it’s really other work whilst waiting in these circumstances.
Nothing to stop you putting the tacho on break though, you’re not working and can use the time to recuperate, so that meats all the requirements for break, just depends on weather or not you get paid for breaks showing on the tacho.
I agree with tachograph. That isn’t POA, or it isn’t until you’ve moved a couple of times and worked out the rough time between moves, so just stick it on break instead and you are sorted.
Mantoris:
IE You arrive at a depot the guy tells you your gonna be waiting one hour before you get tipped.
Your waiting two hours and no one has come over to tell you how much longer the wait is gonna be nor have you been over to ask so this is how it goes.
You log 1 hour POA after that your back on working time.
Not necessarily working time, could be break. In fact easiest option is to forget POA and just book the time as break, unless you don’t get paid for breaks. If a period can be classed as POA it can be classed as break and doesn’t need all that known in advance nonsense.
Mantoris:
IE You arrive at a depot the guy tells you your gonna be waiting one hour before you get tipped.
Your waiting two hours and no one has come over to tell you how much longer the wait is gonna be nor have you been over to ask so this is how it goes.
You log 1 hour POA after that your back on working time.
Not necessarily working time, could be break. In fact easiest option is to forget POA and just book the time as break, unless you don’t get paid for breaks. If a period can be classed as POA it can be classed as break and doesn’t need all that known in advance nonsense.
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Why book break or am I missing the point
If I’m having a break I would want it where I want it not where i have to wait in a que
Coffeeholic:
Not necessarily working time, could be break. In fact easiest option is to forget POA and just book the time as break, unless you don’t get paid for breaks. If a period can be classed as POA it can be classed as break and doesn’t need all that known in advance nonsense.
I agree, I can’t remember the last time I actually booked any POA as it’s much easier to book it as break. The only reason that might be an issue is if your employer uses tacho analysis to work out what breaks to deduct from your pay, but personally none of the people I work for do this so it isn’t a problem.
Mantoris:
IE You arrive at a depot the guy tells you your gonna be waiting one hour before you get tipped.
Your waiting two hours and no one has come over to tell you how much longer the wait is gonna be nor have you been over to ask so this is how it goes.
You log 1 hour POA after that your back on working time.
Not necessarily working time, could be break. In fact easiest option is to forget POA and just book the time as break, unless you don’t get paid for breaks. If a period can be classed as POA it can be classed as break and doesn’t need all that known in advance nonsense.
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Why book break or am I missing the point
If I’m having a break I would want it where I want it not where i have to wait in a que
Because POA and Break are the same thing apart from the knowing in advance thing so if someone is trying to keep to the WTD average and are concerned about not knowing the duration in advance they might as well book it as break. Neither count toward the average working hours. What else are you hoing to book the time as? Sitting about isn’t driving obviously and if you are just reading, listening to the radio, dozing having a cup of coffee, eating etc etc it isn’t other work either, so POA or Break. If you get paid for breaks might as well book that. Although as POA is unenforceable anyway, how could they possibly prove whether you knew the duration in advance or not up to two years down the line, booking that is an option but break is just easier.
ROG:
The only reason for using POA instead of break is when an employer will not pay for breaks recorded on the tacho.
I can see no other use for POA
Me neither ROG, and I would then be using the POA time to look for another job with an employer who doesn’t expect their drivers to be at work for nothing.
What is a period of availability?It is defined under the draft regulations as “a period during which the mobile worker is not required to remain at his workstation, but is required to be available to answer any calls to start or resume driving or to carry out other work, including periods during which the mobile worker is accompanying a vehicle being transported by a ferry or by a train as well as periods of waiting at frontiers and those due to traffic prohibitions”. These periods of availability must be of foreseeable duration and known in advance by the employee. These periods include time spent not driving but travelling in a vehicle providing the employee is not working in some other way. Periods of availability are not breaks or periods of rest.Periods of availabilty include breaks taken during waiting time or time not driving and spent in a moving vehicle ferry or train. The employer needs to grasp and understand this important concept if the advantage afforded by the regulations can be fully utilsed to his and his employee’s benefit.
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