Hi all, in need of a little bit of quick help regarding hours. I put my card in at 0706 this morning but had it on nothing but break until 0829. I know you can take daily rest with card in but having put it in part way through would this mean starting shift? In other words do I have until 2206 or 2329 tonight?
Would appreciate it, thanks.
Interesting 
I’m sure ROG or someone will clarify but imho 22:06 will be your end of shift as I’m pretty sure that DVSA would view inserting your card as beginning duty for the day. Your card wasout prior to 07:06 so if you weren’t on duty why insert it?
Surely after inserting your card you would normally commence your morning walk round checks? Certainly think that would be an enforcement officers take mate.
DJC:
Hi all, in need of a little bit of quick help regarding hours. I put my card in at 0706 this morning but had it on nothing but break until 0829. I know you can take daily rest with card in but having put it in part way through would this mean starting shift? In other words do I have until 2206 or 2329 tonight?Would appreciate it, thanks.
The act of inserting the card is other work so that is when the rest period ends and the shift begins
FLIP:
I’m sure ROG or someone will clarify but imho 22:06 will be your end of shift as I’m pretty sure that DVSA would view inserting your card as beginning duty for the day. Your card wasout prior to 07:06 so if you weren’t on duty why insert it?
Surely after inserting your card you would normally commence your morning walk round checks? Certainly think that would be an enforcement officers take mate.
I do actually agree with you, even if its just out off a sense off mistrust in the VOSA.
A mate off mine got a bollocking from his employers for not doing his walk round checks in the morning, it turned out that with the new digi tacho heads, when inserting the the card it stays on the previous mode, where as on the older digi tachos when inserting the card it will revert to other work. He hadnt realised this so was doing walk round/ or showing time for walk round whilst still being on rest 
DJC:
Hi all, in need of a little bit of quick help regarding hours. I put my card in at 0706 this morning but had it on nothing but break until 0829. I know you can take daily rest with card in but having put it in part way through would this mean starting shift? In other words do I have until 2206 or 2329 tonight?Would appreciate it, thanks.
Your shift started at 07:06 so you should start a daily rest period by 22:06 if you have a reduced daily rest period available.
Well that’s unfortunate. The reason for inserting the card was that the position the card is in while not in the tacho is very easy to catch while getting into the seat/getting out. I figured I’d leave it in through daily rest and might as well push it in then. It only occurred to me later that it could impact my shift time since I didn’t actually start until half 8. I know for the future now though. Appreciate the quick responses, thanks
Hi all new to this and still trying to get my head around driver hours/ days work. Quick question if he starts work at 07:06 how can he work till 22:06. I apologise for my ignorance.
Darrenb:
Hi all new to this and still trying to get my head around driver hours/ days work. Quick question if he starts work at 07:06 how can he work till 22:06. I apologise for my ignorance.
as others have said if he a reduced break available for that day then a 15hr duty would take him till 22.07 before his next daily rest was due 
Sorry about this, however I get that the minimum daily rest is nine hours so he can finish at 22:06 and then start again at 07:06, however I was under the impression that you can only work for ten hours in the day if available to use or have I got it wrong and you can excluded your breaks/ other work and its ten hours driving. Sorry.
Darrenb:
Hi all new to this and still trying to get my head around driver hours/ days work. Quick question if he starts work at 07:06 how can he work till 22:06. I apologise for my ignorance.
The regulations require a driver to have an 11 hour daily rest period within the 24 hour period from the start of the shift, 3 times between weekly rest periods the daily rest period can be reduced to 9 hours.
Having a 9 hour daily rest period within the period of 24 hours from the start of the shift leaves a maximum of 15 hours from the start of the shift to the end of the shift, a 15 hour spread-over from the start to the end of the shift leaves 9 hours for a reduced daily rest period within the 24 hour period.
If he starts at 07:06 then has his maximum spread-over of 15 hours that takes the driver to 22:06 when he must finish work.
Darrenb:
Sorry about this, however I get that the minimum daily rest is nine hours so he can finish at 22:06 and then start again at 07:06, however I was under the impression that you can only work for ten hours in the day if available to use or have I got it wrong and you can excluded your breaks/ other work and its ten hours driving. Sorry.
You can drive for 9 hours per shift, this can be extended to 10 hours twice in a fixed week week.
As long as you have the required breaks there is no restriction to the amount of work you can do between daily rest periods, in reality you would need at-least 45 minutes break so you would be restricted to a maximum of 14¼ hours actual working time, this may be reduced depending on what driving breaks are legally required.
For instance if you did ten hours driving you would need at-least two 45 minute breaks, so your maximum working time in a 15 hour shift would be 13½ hours.
Cheers cleared that more for me thanks.
nobody has a break immediately after clocking on,what would be the point of starting an hour or so early it has to be other work or P.O.A
lolipop:
nobody has a break immediately after clocking on,what would be the point of starting an hour or so early it has to be other work or P.O.A
In this case it was just pushing it in to get it out of the way without thinking of how it would impact. Going on break after immediately getting on does happen though, especially on containers like getting to work when asked to and finding the docks are shut.
lolipop:
nobody has a break immediately after clocking on,what would be the point of starting an hour or so early it has to be other work or P.O.A
It doesn’t have to be on poa or other work.
2 weeks ago I finished work but couldn’t remember the exact time I took my card out. So after what I thought was 9 hour rest period I put the tacho on break and re-inserted the card, I was 2 mins short of my 9 hour daily rest period. I let it go for 3 mins then changed to other work. Got my card downloaded at the end of the week, no infringement.
Fileep:
2 weeks ago I finished work but couldn’t remember the exact time I took my card out. So after what I thought was 9 hour rest period I put the tacho on break and re-inserted the card, I was 2 mins short of my 9 hour daily rest period. I let it go for 3 mins then changed to other work. Got my card downloaded at the end of the week, no infringement.
That’s because tachograph analysis software only calculates the activities recorded on the driver card, so if the tachograph was on rest when the card was ejected and still on rest when the card was reinserted the only activities recorded would be 2 separate but adjoining segments of rest.
It was ejected on other work, when I returned to the truck I had to swap it to rest. I always eject the card on other work.
Fileep:
It was ejected on other work, when I returned to the truck I had to swap it to rest. I always eject the card on other work.
That’s interesting, was it one of the latest type 2 tachographs ?