Quick Digi Tacho Query - Automatic Mode Selection

Usually try to find the answer myself in manuals or elsewhere on the internet, but this one has truly stumped me since yesterday. :laughing:

Was doing my usual Saturday shift on the agency. I don’t find the digi too difficult a beast to grasp usually and can do the basic functions I need to. I also have my truck timer app as a back up to monitor what my times are adding up too, as I do multi-drop.

Now I know I’ve been off the lorries since 2009 and have come back to it this October again as a hobby. But I like to think I have an avid interest in things to do with the industry and the curiosity to learn how to do things right.

However, I don’t know who the hell to ask on this question, the usual suspects are unable to help me unfortunately (like my Dad etc), so out to the forum it goes.

I was using a Seimens VDO not sure what version or how to tell off the printout?? :blush:

However my main problem was in this particular MAN. When I started first thing in the morning and did my pre-check start up it was on rest setting as soon as card correctly inserted and registered turned the setting to other work. This next statement will become important later on!

Left ignition key in and done my pre-checks. 20 minutes later, jumped in the seat, left the bay and yard, so automatically onto driving mode. When I stopped at first set of traffic lights realised it had switched to rest again when we was stationary■■? Shouldn’t have done as it was on other work mode when we left the yard! Lights turned green ignored it.

Porter wanted a take away so pulled over and let him go on his merry way. Happened to look up at the tacho head unit as I had turned the ignition off, only had side lights and hazards on and the bloody thing had gone onto rest mode again! So I turned it over onto other work again with the the ignition on “pre-ignition/diagnositc checks” and waited for porter to come back.

So again it was on other work mode when we pulled away safely and headed off into Norfolk. 1 hour and 40 minutes later we got to our first drop. Stopped the lorry, turned the tacho over to other work again, not really noticing it had zbing changed to rest mode when we had stopped again! I was 100% sure it was on other work before I got out, took the keys out of the ignition, locked the cab and helped porter unload. On my return before I pulled away looked at the tacho head and rest mode was showing but thought it must have just changed to that and had been recording other work correctly seconds before then :unamused: Not so!

Done this pre-unloading routine three times, before I realised looking at the truck dashboard it had told me that I had done x amount of driving and over 50 minutes of rest already, when I clearly hadn’t physically in reality and the time should have been other work!

Getting concerned now I wouldn’t be paid properly as any minutes on break we don’t get paid and this was racking up loads especially as we had 15 drops to do!

Done a printoff halfway through delivery route schedule at my 45 minute break and looked down through the printoff and all the tacho was recording was bloody “rest” mode when it zbing should have been “other work” mode.

On the last three drops of the afternoon, they were all store “lock-ins” so I left the keys in the ignition whilst unloading and the tacho then recorded “other work” as selected. However the disadvantage was this couldn’t be done on the public deliveries for obvious reasons!! :unamused:

Contacted my agency for advice, as we had a non-driving operations senior manager in that day who wouldn’t have had a clue what I was talking about. (He doesn’t even do the downloads at the end of the day “kind of guy”). They said do my suggestion (print off two copies and do a manual trace, give one to office, keep one for myself and scan a copy in to send to agency office in case of any wage discrepancies).

Luckily by the time we got back in the evening the usual TM was in. I explained the problem to him, he didn’t know what I was doing wrong, but could see what was happening from my card once it was downloaded. He could see I had only one legitimate correct break that day my 45 minute one! And the other rest/breaks recorded should have actually been other work. He said he’d make sure that my time sheet would be amended corrected to only show the one 45 minute break and everything else would be other work and my pay would be correct.

My question, is what was I doing wrong when selecting the modes■■?

At the depot I work at we have Renault’s, Scania’s, DAF’s and MAN’s all of which I have driven now since I have been there and all have Siemen’s VDO’s in them. I have never had this problem before and how I select modes hasn’t changed in my eyes. Every other time I’ve set a tacho to other work on the other vehicles and unloaded its remained on that setting until I’ve wanted to change it, not changed the settings how it wants too whilst the vehicle is stationary!

Hope someone can help point me in the right direction of where I am going wrong and correct my lack of intelligence on what is more than likley a simple problem! :smiling_imp:

Thanks in advance for your help.

C

Sounds like a faulty unit/wiring to me, normally it should default to other work when stationary, however VU’s made after 09/2007 should change from other work (when stationary) to break when the ign is switched off, but many of these are reprogrammed to stay on other work.

Dear Madbaz,

So should I have defected the zb out of it then in reality. Just to raise an awareness and then let them decide if it warrants a repair, as it is their motor?

Yeah defaulting to rest even when stationary and ignition on (e.g. in traffic etc), have the printout to prove it. Bloody thing, such a simple thing to use and set and it still manages to outsmart me at the end of it! :laughing:

So if I turn the ignition off, do I just make sure it is on other work before the tacho unit display goes blank, when the ignition key is out I mean?

Or will it switch to rest regardless what I do. As that is what it has been programmed to be and then it will show as rest when I turn the ignition on again?

As you say wiring at the beginning. I take it there is no menu mode to change and set it to show “other work” by default then on the tacho unit head itself, when the vehicle is stationary? Its more of a plug and play laptop ammendment in the workshop rather than a couple of key presses by the driver.

Thanks for taking the time to answer my query. Manual ammendements/trace all round then in future if I get that lorry again. :unamused:

C

This type of head unit should operate as such:
Ign on:
Moving = Driving
Stationary = OW
When ign is turned off (sometimes position 1 of the key is classed as off) mode symbol flashes for 3 seconds (press button 1 to cancel change), then changes to Break.

Ign off: (this catches peeps out, including me)

Break (unless you’ve cancelled it as above).
If you turn ign on (to turn radio/windows on etc) whilst on Break, the mode symbol should flash for 3 seconds (press button 1 to cancel change) then changes to OW.

If you cancel the change whilst the symbol is flashing no change to the mode is recorded, it might not record a change if you press after the flashing but if the minute changes then it will record a change and possibly knacker up a 45.

If the VU is defaulting to rest when stationary AND the ign is on (ie in position 2/run) I would defect it as it is not making an accurate record nor functioning correctly, and put the ball in managements court, and if you use it again and it’s still not right continue defecting it.

For reprogramming it needs to go into a tacho centre, it technically should have a full calibration done but in reality it’s a 5 minute job done with a specialised bit of hardware that plugs into the ‘download’ socket.

It’s been set up wrong by whoever installed the Tacho head. We had a problem with it when we got a new fleet at the place I worked a few years ago. Took us ages to convince the manager it was wrong then took them a while to fix them properly as the Tacho repair man was as thick as ■■■■ and didn’t understand what we were telling him.
Book it off and leave it to the company to sort out. You will come across this from time to time.

Thanks MikeCunn and Madbaz,

So i wasn’t being silly with how I was using a tacho head then. That’s alayed my fears on that matter then.

Like i said on the rest of the fleet it doesn’t do this automatic rest selection with ignition on and in stationary traffic that’s why i couldn’t comprehend what i was doing “wrong” as i was doing no different to usual.

Ill do like you gentlemen suggest if i get that lorry again. I’ll defect it and explain why to TM he’ll be the best one to tell if i ever go back in new year and leave it in his ballcourt to resolve.

Thanks for taking the time to explain all of this to me.

Happy Christmas and a prosperous new year to you both.

C

Not sure that it’s a fault; rather the default. I thought MANs seemed to tend to default to rest but no doubt am wrong. It’s up to the driver to check the setting is correct for whatever he/she is doing but this “resting” is annoying. This setting can be reset at an appropriate workshop. FFI:-

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=78213&p=1039853

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=65259&p=807113

Dear Snudger,

Snudger:
Not sure that it’s a fault; rather the default. I thought MANs seemed to tend to default to rest but no doubt am wrong. It’s up to the driver to check the setting is correct for whatever he/she is doing but this “resting” is annoying.

Thank you for looking this up for me and posting the other topics for me to read which i have duly done.

Yes, you are right, it is very annoying when you are being paid to the card, when this first happened! And its the only tacho on a fleet of 20 lorries and out of 5 similar aged MANS! Typical for me to find it :unamused:

And yes you are completely right it is totally my responsibility that’s why i was getting annoyed i was changing the setting (correctly - what i thought anyway) once stopped. Then took the keys out.

From the those previous posts i could see what i was doing incorrectly now. Shame hardly any of our lorries have the manuals and the oldest is an 09 plate! Not that there would be any guarantee that the tacho head unit manual would be left in there anyway.

So the correct procedures on this matter if discovered by others is take keys out and then change setting. Also its the only head I’ve used here that seems to intermittently back light so ill be using the interior light more on that lorry too!

Thanks again for taking the time to find them when i obviously couldn’t use the forum search facility - I wish i could blame it on the drink but im sober :laughing:

Thanks again

C

Snudger:
Not sure that it’s a fault; rather the default. I thought MANs seemed to tend to default to rest but no doubt am wrong. It’s up to the driver to check the setting is correct for whatever he/she is doing but this “resting” is annoying. This setting can be reset at an appropriate workshop. FFI:-

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=78213&p=1039853

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=65259&p=807113

I think that in this case it’s a fault.
Some digi-tachos default to Other Work, some default to Rest, when the ignition is turned off. I’ve driven trucks with both types of default settings. That is a setting which can be altered by a workshop.
None of them changed to Rest when the wheels stopped turning but with the ignition on and the engine still running. They have all been Siemens tachos, I’ve no experience of other makes.
It’s possible that this behaviour is also a setting which can be changed in a workshop, but if it is I’ve not heard of it until now.
They all change back to their default setting if the ignition is turned on (to open a window for example) and then turned off again.

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They all change back to their default setting if the ignition is turned on (to open a window for example) and then turned off again.[/quote]
i got caught out with this at my last place …opened a window mid way through my break and tacho recorded other work for the rest of my break, i didnt realise untill tm pointed it out to me.this was in the “spare” truck while mine was being serviced

Simon:
I think that in this case it’s a fault.

None of them changed to Rest when the wheels stopped turning but with the ignition on and the engine still running. They have all been Siemens tachos, I’ve no experience of other makes.

Right so I am back to square one :laughing: I must read and come across better to you all to explain my predicament, if I am to expect you all to help me, as I think I have confused the situation a little! :open_mouth: .

So it is faulty, as it was turning to rest as soon as I stopped with ignition on and engine running, but the wheels not turning e.g. at a roundabout or traffic lights! So I was right initially that it wasn’t me being silly then :unamused:

But still I have to get in the right way of doing the selection after I turn the ignition off then for certain lorries. As each individual lorry I drive is going to have their own pecularities. :smiling_imp:

Never had a problem with any of the other Siemens on the other MAN’s, Scania’s, Renault’s and DAF’s. And this is the problem I have too. I have had no other experience with any other tachograph manufacturer bar the online tutorials you can get on here. But that’s not the same as using one in anger!

Oh well if I get invited back after the new year for a weekend ride and get that rigid again. I’ll be extra careful when setting the mode before getting out of the cab and then defect that particular rigid it at the the end of the day and tell the TM. Then its down to them if they wish to resolve it, I’ve done my bit to help them out as much as I can.

Thank you all for giving me the heads up on some of the pecularities of the Siemen’s, I’ll pay a lot more attention (5 seconds at least :laughing: ) to the tacho head once I’ve popped the keys out, to make sure it is doing what I want it to do, that’s for sure!

C