Monkey241:
But Brexit has happened - for a number of reasons.
It’s time you adapted.
That’s no different than saying You have Cancer (or anything else nasty) - for a number of reasons.
It’s time you adapted
whisperingsmith:
Monkey241:
But Brexit has happened - for a number of reasons.
It’s time you adapted.That’s no different than saying You have Cancer (or anything else nasty) - for a number of reasons.
It’s time you adapted
You start from an assumption that is false, using the cancer analogy.
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Monkey241:
You start from an assumption that is false, using the cancer analogy.
To me the Cancer analogy is perfect. Just like Brexit, if untreated it will spread throughout the body and eventually destroy it.
whisperingsmith:
Monkey241:
You start from an assumption that is false, using the cancer analogy.To me the Cancer analogy is perfect. Just like Brexit, if untreated it will spread throughout the body and eventually destroy it.
Of course it is to you.
But to any rational person it’s an unfit analogy
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Monkey241:
whisperingsmith:
Monkey241:
You start from an assumption that is false, using the cancer analogy.To me the Cancer analogy is perfect. Just like Brexit, if untreated it will spread throughout the body and eventually destroy it.
Of course it is to you.
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I do agree with you Monkey.
The cancer analogy isn`t a good one.
No one chooses cancer.
Johnson chose the Brexit we have.
Monkey241:
But Brexit has happened - for a number of reasons.
It’s time you adapted.
It has happened and we have adapted.
Our company is doing OK.
We now pay more staff to do more paperwork.
We now expect more delays at borders.
The company has adapted by increasing rates, which will of course be paid for by the end user.
The public will adapt by paying more taxes to pay for the extra staff and facilities we are having built.
Franglais:
Monkey241:
But Brexit has happened - for a number of reasons.
It’s time you adapted.It has happened and we have adapted.
Our company is doing OK.We now pay more staff to do more paperwork.
We now expect more delays at borders.The company has adapted by increasing rates, which will of course be paid for by the end user.
The public will adapt by paying more taxes to pay for the extra staff and facilities we are having built.
The company is doing OK?
And yet… that doesn’t fit the predictions.
You EXPECT more delays? Let me know when a subjective expectation becomes verifiable fact.
Like it or not a majority of voters appear to have disliked the political machinations of the EU. The political aspect is a take it or leave it component of any perceived economic benefits.
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Isn’t it time that TruckNet UK added the word “Brexit” to the ZB auto-censor?
Monkey241:
Franglais:
Monkey241:
But Brexit has happened - for a number of reasons.
It’s time you adapted.It has happened and we have adapted.
Our company is doing OK.We now pay more staff to do more paperwork.
We now expect more delays at borders.The company has adapted by increasing rates, which will of course be paid for by the end user.
The public will adapt by paying more taxes to pay for the extra staff and facilities we are having built.The company is doing OK?
And yet… that doesn’t fit the predictions.
You EXPECT more delays? Let me know when a subjective expectation becomes verifiable fact.
Like it or not a majority of voters appear to have disliked the political machinations of the EU. The political aspect is a take it or leave it component of any perceived economic benefits.
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We expect more delays than we had before Brexit, because we have already had more delays.
That is our real world experience. Im sorry if you didnt understand that from my post. Y`know a fact.
I am not sure what predictions you are referring to?
Monkey241:
Evidence please.
Sweeping generalities are never helpful
Franglais:
Monkey241:
Franglais:
Monkey241:
But Brexit has happened - for a number of reasons.
It’s time you adapted.It has happened and we have adapted.
Our company is doing OK.We now pay more staff to do more paperwork.
We now expect more delays at borders.The company has adapted by increasing rates, which will of course be paid for by the end user.
The public will adapt by paying more taxes to pay for the extra staff and facilities we are having built.The company is doing OK?
And yet… that doesn’t fit the predictions.
You EXPECT more delays? Let me know when a subjective expectation becomes verifiable fact.
Like it or not a majority of voters appear to have disliked the political machinations of the EU. The political aspect is a take it or leave it component of any perceived economic benefits.
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We expect more delays than we had before Brexit, because we have already had more delays.
That is our real world experience. Im sorry if you didnt understand that from my post. Y`know a fact.I am not sure what predictions you are referring to?
Monkey241:
Evidence please.
Sweeping generalities are never helpful
You appear to be offering opinion as fact.
Put up or shut up …
Had you had more delays you wouldn’t be reduced to trawling the Web for tenuous evidence.
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Wheel Nut:
Isn’t it time that TruckNet UK added the word “Brexit” to the ZB auto-censor?
Maybe the hard working Mods will choose to put this thread across the way in “The Brexit Thread”?
Brexit is a fact of daily life for many of us, and Channel crossing are affected by it. Difficult to leave it out.
I wish I could ignore it. I cant its everyday work.
Franglais:
Mazzer2:
On the subject to queues and delays how much of it is down to the French being well French, a full load of multi-drop beef being tipped across Holland,Belgium and Germany that is loaded in Ireland and transits the UK on T2 forms to Harwich and enters the EU through the Hook is waved straight off the boat and on it’s way. The same load going via the Tunnel will be sent to SVP checks where it can spend up to 6 hours despite being sealed and the seal being unbroken on one occasion last weekend there were 6 Irish lorries in SVP and 3 GB ones all the Irish had loaded in Ireland yet were subject to checks. Loaded yesterday in Lyon with yoghurts (for Ireland) a sign on the wall said all UK loads will take 3 hours to get customs paperwork yet load the same product in Germany and it may take up to 15 minutes.
So do the French know the difference between the UK and Ireland? And are the Germans really that much more efficient?Because of Brexit, administration is now necessary that wasn`t necessary before.
It takes time and money.Mazzer:" SVP checks where it can spend up to 6 hours despite being sealed and the seal being unbroken on one occasion last weekend there were 6 Irish lorries in SVP and 3 GB ones all the Irish had loaded in Ireland yet were subject to checks."
Just like EU goods transiting Swiss then? Subject to checks for country of origin etc.
This is an absolutely inevitable result of the deal the UK has with the EU.All countries have civil servants and customs officers. Some do more for their salary than others.
Give officials more chance to act officially, and guess what? Maybe this is a surprise to you: they will!What did you think would happen when you give officials more work to do?
This red tape (which adds what to the economy anywhere?) costs money, and is due to Brexit.
And dont worry: when the vet opens in the UK in the summer* the UK can start more checks. The UK WaterGuard might be beaten by some, but arent the laziest at officialdom.
If those sheds and lorryparks (paid for by our taxes) open as promised do you think they will be waving you through all the time?
Red tape is a pain in the ■■■■ no matter who administers it. Brexit has created more.We in the UK can point to other countries enforcing these rules, but why did we give them theses new rules to enforce?
This was the deal we negotiated and signed!The French have always been French. They didn`t change. The rules changed!
" Lyon with yoghurts (for Ireland) a sign on the wall said all UK loads will take 3 hours to get customs paperwork yet load the same product in Germany and it may take up to 15 minutes."
Youve already told us it takes 3 or 4 hrs for your German papers? It would appear that those papers would have been made up before loading, but one change and it is back to the beginning. Your German load was doing a good job for you by doing papers before loading. It seems the Lyon company loads first, and does papers afterwards. Maybe they dont want to risk doing docs twice?No matter how long it takes…before Brexit this would not have happened.
Sod`s law states “If it can go wrong, it will go wrong”
Why have more admin? It will go wrong
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The one with the change in Germany was for a load of bread not yoghurt so cannot be compared to loading yoghurt out of France, can you explain why the under the exact same rules the Dutch are waving you through without so much as a seal check yet the French are not? You are correct in saying that the French have not changed they have always been obstinate and follow the rules to suit rather than as they should be.
> Mazzer2:
> You are correct in saying that the French have not changed they have always been obstinate and follow the rules to suit rather than as they should be.
Just like their English Kith & Kin who came across from France & with whom they share the same Genes & DNA ****
Unlike the Original Inhabitants of Britain:- The Welsh/Scots/Cornish/Manx/Irish & Bretons (Britons) in North West France
*** Obviously excludes the Tory Cabinet, most of whom have origins in South East Asia or Eastern Europe
Except UKIP’s cheerleaders who have French names: Farage / Francois etc… 
Slippage, or “Brexit Mission Creep” seems to be happening…
Laybys are once again filled with foreign artics, even with the new roadsigns up that supposedly ban foreign drivers with the 7.5t attempt to stop them parking up anywhere they want.
These signs simply get ignored however, and I’ve yet to see Plod pulling over a foreign artic that has left the M2/A2 at a junction off-slip marked 7.5t…
Then there’s the matter of the increasing number of now PAYE British-Plated foreign truckers parking up anywhere they want, also to little or no harrassment by the authorities…
Cobham Services: Trucks already parked all over the Coach area, and now encroaching into the car areas on top, not to mention the slip roads for example…
Brevity, whichever side you are on, is now a faith accomply, and it’s time to accept it, and get on.
Quite frankly, some of the remaining remainers are starting to resemble people lamenting the end of slavery. I mean, slavery was very good for this country, it gave this country many benefits, and the loss of slavery let to much loss of revenue and upheaval.
I could give other historical examples, but they would be considered offensive…
The world moves. Things change. Get on with it…
whisperingsmith:
> Mazzer2:
> You are correct in saying that the French have not changed they have always been obstinate and follow the rules to suit rather than as they should be.Just like their English Kith & Kin who came across from France & with whom they share the same Genes & DNA ****
Unlike the Original Inhabitants of Britain:- The Welsh/Scots/Cornish/Manx/Irish & Bretons (Britons) in North West France*** Obviously excludes the Tory Cabinet, most of whom have origins in South East Asia or Eastern Europe
Except UKIP’s cheerleaders who have French names: Farage / Francois etc…
Odd approach that.
My kith and kin most definitely aren’t French (technically Norman who were more Norse than French)
I’m intrigued by the comment claiming that most of the Cabinet have South East Asian or Eastern European origins though. Perhaps you could take me through your working out.
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whisperingsmith:
> Mazzer2:
> You are correct in saying that the French have not changed they have always been obstinate and follow the rules to suit rather than as they should be.Just like their English Kith & Kin who came across from France & with whom they share the same Genes & DNA ****
Unlike the Original Inhabitants of Britain:- The Welsh/Scots/Cornish/Manx/Irish & Bretons (Britons) in North West France*** Obviously excludes the Tory Cabinet, most of whom have origins in South East Asia or Eastern Europe
Except UKIP’s cheerleaders who have French names: Farage / Francois etc…
Would you rather date a French bird, who could be asking a question about haemarrhoids and sound ■■■■, or some unwashed British leftie bird who looks like she hasn’t had a bath since camping on Greenham Common?
When it comes to the “Great Unwashed” - you probably get more bang for your muck with the French girl, I reckon…
Even perceptions can be deceptive however, as that famous group “Enigma” from 30 years ago, supposedly with a German producer and French-sounding singer, were in fact Music Producer Mike Cretu (Romanian) with his ■■■■-sounding but GERMAN wife, Sandra, formerly known for her cover of “Everlasting Love” during the 80’s…
We are all capable of creating our hopes and fears out of anything in sight…
Those determined to dislike Farage, Corbyn, Boris, Putin, Trump, etc. merely because they can, rather than because there’s any real rational reason to judge such people ahead of future sins they might not ever get around to committing…
Farage hasn’t rounded up people on the street and sent them to concentration camps, Corbyn hasn’t actually scrapped Trident, given his house to Hamas… Boris hasn’t actully offended the EU or Remainers anywhere near as much as touted yet, Putin killed a handful of villains on British Soil rather than the millions the Chinese leadership has gotten rid of around the world, and even Trump managed to bump off an Iranian general rather than push someone under a subway train to cover up a scandal…
Compare that to people like Cleggy, Blair, or Clinton though? Politicians who seem to still have popular following despite the sins they’ve known to have committed.
"People are fickle.
Can be manipulated.
Controllable, Changable.
In the end the people don’t matter however much they love you now."
Juan Peron talking to Wife, Eva from the Rock Opera “Evita”.
It has proven impossible to all leaders of history - to keep the population they represent even “content” let alone “Happy”.
Thus, all political careers - end in failure.
The “Autocrat” grasps the nettle of pleasing the majority (thus making that majority “Tyranny” to those like John Major at least) whilst totally ■■■■■■■ off the minority.
Every leader we have, including and especially THIS one - drops the notion of supporting those who put him in power, and ■■■■■ up to those that didn’t. One wonders if the other side had won, would we have gotten things done for those of us that voted for the other side? We’ll never know, I guess - as election manifestos never seem to contain things like “I’ll look after the other side more than you that voted for me”. As for the “Green” thing. It frankly disgusts me that we have to ruin our own economy to pursue something few of us are interested in, hardly anyone wants to vote for, and NO one wants to pay for, let alone “pay through the nose” for! 
OK, let’s say “Brexit” ■■■■■■ of 48% of us, as Remainers would have us believe.
“Pursuing green no matter what the cost” presumably ■■■■■■ off everyone who didn’t vote Green at the last election…"
Green Party these days has some 53,000 members, which is 10,000 less than what they had when UKIP had 4million voters in 2015. Green stuff gets and got done though, UKIP stuff? We’re still waiting for that Brexit Dividend - weather we voted for it or not!
Green pursuance is to blame for rising energy prices, NOT because Putin has us over a barrel as we get told.
Green pursuance is to blame for rising cost of living in London ULEZ, and suchlike - a direct and obvious connection there.
Strange how we truckers cannot yet drive in Bus Lanes, be our trucks “compliant” or no, “Fees Paid” or no…
Strange how hundreds of extra cyclists, scooterists, pedestrians, and even public transport users- have been seriously injured or been killed outright AFTER these daft policies got put into place, compared with the more muted statistics beforehand…
The way out of all this, I reckon is to do away with Green, complete Brexit, rip the rest of the world off for so much that they come begging to US for money, which we no longer give them as “Charity”, since they don’t respect us in the world anyways for a long time since. That’s not a “Nationalist” agenda, but rather a “Humanist” one. We need to expand off this planet in the next 50 years, or we’ll simply overflow it, and die back as nature dictates must happen, every time - just like a gas contained in a flask, when that flask is then heated…
Either we go to the Stars as a united Humanity or we kill each other off, unable to get past our fractional ideologies.
Monkey241:
I’m intrigued by the comment claiming that most of the Cabinet have South East Asian or Eastern European origins though. Perhaps you could take me through your working out.
Boris Party Johnson:- Let’s start with our Turkish Prime minister ‘Alexander Boris du Pfeffel Johnson’ born in the USA
Ali Kemal - Kemal is the father of Zeki Kuneralp, who was the former Turkish ambassador in Switzerland, the United Kingdom, and Spain. In addition, he is the paternal grandfather of both the Turkish diplomat Selim Kuneralp, and the British politician Stanley Johnson. Through Stanley Johnson, Ali Kemal is the great-grandfather of British Prime Minister Boris Johnson and his siblings. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Kemal
Dominic Rennie Raab:- His father, who was Jewish, came to Britain from Czechoslovakia in 1938 aged six, following the Munich Agreement, which gave parts of Czechoslovakia to ■■■■ Germany
Priti Patel:- Patel was born on 29 March 1972 to Sushil and Anjana Patel in London. Her paternal grandparents were born in Gujarat, India, before emigrating to Uganda, and running a convenience store in Kampala. In the 1960s, her parents emigrated to the UK and settled in Hertfordshire
Rishi Sunak:- Sunak was born on 12 May 1980 in Southampton to Indian Punjabi Hindu parents Yashvir and Usha Sunak. He is the eldest of three siblings. His father Yashvir was born in Kenya and his mother Usha was born in Tanzania.
Jacob Rees-Mogg:- With his Bentley, bespoke suits and elaborate courtesy Jacob Rees-Mogg, Conservative MP and possible contender for the party leadership, plays up his privileged roots with panache.
A search into his family history, however, revealed that it took an act of opportunism by a Welsh ancestor to give the family its double-barrelled name and lay the foundations for its prosperity… The marriage that created the Rees-Mogg dynasty took place on August 12, 1805, when a Welsh cleric called John Rees wed Mary Mogg Wooldridge, a member of the Mogg family who had been Somerset business people and landowners since at least the 13th century.
I can continue if you like Monkey - or you can check them out yourself 
Anyone can rise to become “A Noble” if they acquire assets, then sit on that indefinitely, not ever selling.
“Never Sell”… (Lord Greystoke)
“If you have to ask for the price of something desirable you wish to purchase - you cannot afford it.” (My Father-in-law in an alternative reality)
The true ability and trade of the “Noble” is being able to not so much “Re-write History”, but rather “Pre-Write the FUTURE”.
In theory, anyone with that latter trait - can rise from pauper to leader of an entire nation in their own single lifetime. 
whisperingsmith:
Monkey241:
I’m intrigued by the comment claiming that most of the Cabinet have South East Asian or Eastern European origins though. Perhaps you could take me through your working out.Boris Party Johnson:- Let’s start with our Turkish Prime minister ‘Alexander Boris du Pfeffel Johnson’ born in the USA
Ali Kemal - Kemal is the father of Zeki Kuneralp, who was the former Turkish ambassador in Switzerland, the United Kingdom, and Spain. In addition, he is the paternal grandfather of both the Turkish diplomat Selim Kuneralp, and the British politician Stanley Johnson. Through Stanley Johnson, Ali Kemal is the great-grandfather of British Prime Minister Boris Johnson and his siblings. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_KemalDominic Rennie Raab:- His father, who was Jewish, came to Britain from Czechoslovakia in 1938 aged six, following the Munich Agreement, which gave parts of Czechoslovakia to ■■■■ Germany
Priti Patel:- Patel was born on 29 March 1972 to Sushil and Anjana Patel in London. Her paternal grandparents were born in Gujarat, India, before emigrating to Uganda, and running a convenience store in Kampala. In the 1960s, her parents emigrated to the UK and settled in Hertfordshire
Rishi Sunak:- Sunak was born on 12 May 1980 in Southampton to Indian Punjabi Hindu parents Yashvir and Usha Sunak. He is the eldest of three siblings. His father Yashvir was born in Kenya and his mother Usha was born in Tanzania.
Jacob Rees-Mogg:- With his Bentley, bespoke suits and elaborate courtesy Jacob Rees-Mogg, Conservative MP and possible contender for the party leadership, plays up his privileged roots with panache.
A search into his family history, however, revealed that it took an act of opportunism by a Welsh ancestor to give the family its double-barrelled name and lay the foundations for its prosperity… The marriage that created the Rees-Mogg dynasty took place on August 12, 1805, when a Welsh cleric called John Rees wed Mary Mogg Wooldridge, a member of the Mogg family who had been Somerset business people and landowners since at least the 13th century.
I can continue if you like Monkey - or you can check them out yourself
Mostly■■?
How big is the Cabinet■■?
I think you HAD better continue, given you’ve come up quite some way short of MOSTLY…
As for Bretons… .emigrants from Britain, not vice versa
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