Questions about older trucks... hope you can help

Hi all
I have always been a truck fan - mainly 1980’s vintage. I have a few questions about trucking in the 1980’s that have always baffled me a bit. Wondered if you guys could shed any light? Apologies if these are stupid questions!

  1. How did ‘Tilt’ trailers get their name? As far as I can tell, they do not actually tilt?

  2. Why were tilt trailers the main type of trailer used for international work in the 1980’s? Is it due to their versatility? Linked to this, why were tilt trailers seldom used for domestic work? Also, these days it seems tautliners have replaced the tilt?

  3. Why did tractor units sold on the British market in the 1980’s usually have much shorter wheelbases than continental units?

  4. Why did the ‘Middle East’ run decline throughout the 1980’s? Was it linked to the decline of the UK manufacturing base and UK exports?

JCS:
Hi all
I have always been a truck fan - mainly 1980’s vintage. I have a few questions about trucking in the 1980’s that have always baffled me a bit. Wondered if you guys could shed any light? Apologies if these are stupid questions!

  1. How did ‘Tilt’ trailers get their name? As far as I can tell, they do not actually tilt?

They do not tilt, the name comes from seafaring days long ago, A ship would carry a recce boat called a Shallop aka (Sloop) these sloops were normally powered by 8 oarsmen and used to get into narrow coves. The boats were towed by the mother ship and had a fabric cover stretched across a frame. This was known as the tilt cover. Later any cover on the cargo hold of a barge became called a tilt cover. This has become common parlance in the transport industry to keep the cargo dry
2. Why were tilt trailers the main type of trailer used for international work in the 1980’s? Is it due to their versatility? Linked to this, why were tilt trailers seldom used for domestic work? Also, these days it seems tautliners have replaced the tilt?

The TIR agreement recognised a properly constructed trailer could cross borders without excessive beuracracy if it could be sealed against tampering. An agreement was reached with customs offices throughout the world to come up with a common arrangement.
They were versatile in that they could be stripped to a flat trailer, although not quickly or easily by one man.
A certificate called a GV60 was issued and most trailers carried one with a photo of the inspected trailer on it.The certificate or photo also showed the sealing points.

  1. Why did tractor units sold on the British market in the 1980’s usually have much shorter wheelbases than continental units?

Axle weights were much lower and still are today, In France the 13 tonne drive axle is allowed, in the UK it is only 10.5 tonne

  1. Why did the ‘Middle East’ run decline throughout the 1980’s? Was it linked to the decline of the UK manufacturing base and UK exports?

Probably due to the faster seafreight and cheaper air freight although trucks were still doing middle east into the 90’s and some still are although it is much less and more specialised nowadays.

Im not sure whether these answers are what you were looking for but they are my take on it all.
Discuss :smiley:

Wheel Nut:

JCS:
Hi all

  1. Why did tractor units sold on the British market in the 1980’s usually have much shorter wheelbases than continental units?

Axle weights were much lower and still are today, In France the 13 tonne drive axle is allowed, in the UK it is only 10.5 tonne

Discuss :smiley:

And also, the 1.6m kingpin was prevalent in Europe many years before it appeared in the U.K.■■

I remember Tr*ck magazine testing an SA400 in 1978 and having to find an alternative trailer in Belgium because it wouldn’'t couple to the long neck trailer. I worked for W. H. Bowker during the 80s and 90s and, even though they had a big trailer fleet on European work, we didn’t get the first 1.6m kingpins until about 1989.

  1. Why did tractor units sold on the British market in the 1980’s usually have much shorter wheelbases than continental units?

Axle weights were much lower and still are today, In France the 13 tonne drive axle is allowed, in the UK it is only 10.5 tonne

The main reason I believe was that most British tractor units were daycabs and when they started having sleepers they just added a sleeper and did not change the wheelbase till much later!

Regards Pat

Hi all
Thanks for the info. Really helpful!

  1. Why did the ‘Middle East’ run decline throughout the 1980’s? Was it linked to the decline of the UK manufacturing base and UK exports?

Probably due to the faster seafreight and cheaper air freight although trucks were still doing middle east into the 90’s and some still are although it is much less and more specialised nowadays.

Also ,when the Iranians got rid of the Shah the good old days were over. It all came to a screeching halt!
Then Iraq invaded Kuwait & so it goes ,on & on.
Balkan outfits ( Rate-Cutters R Us )loaded direct UK to M/E with no opposition from UK authorities .

jcs.

During the good old days, it was all rope and sheet work, on flat trailers, and nearly everything had to be handballed on, i.e. no pallets, just hard graft, 4am starts, to your pick up , load of 20 ton in hundredweight bags, hump them on and stack them properly so they didn’t move, then you had to rope and sheet your load, lift the sheets to the top of the load, unroll them, if the wind and rain didn’t take them, then rope it all up, get in your old Atki, with no power steering, heating, or any other power anything or other luxuries, and then drive 200 miles to wherever, undo everything, and hump it all off again.

In those days you loaded it yourself, no help, and the other drivers will tell you as well, if it was in the docks, especially London, no one helped you, they stood there laughing at you these Dockers, they all had strong unions and “Jobs for life” and most had other employment as London Cab Drivers, that used to pop in for there, pick up there money and then ■■■■ of.

So along came the Tilt, and this in our eyes was the future, everything under cover, and easily strapped up and loaded through any part of it, as it could all be stripped out or used in anyway, on Continental work, (Before Europe, mainly) you could load it and seal it, as the straps went through thousands of these little buckles, and all up an down and over the tilt and ended up at the back, the customs man would seal it, and you had a book called a Carnet de Passage, which was a book with tear out strips in it, he would stamp the first one, make a note of the number of the seal, and off you went, and every border post you crossed they would do the same, check the seal number against the Carnet, stamp it, tear out there bit and off you went again, when you reached your destination, he would again check it and if correct, sign and stamp your book, and if OK, he would break the seal and let you unload you.
When we joined Europe, they done away with seals and Carnets, and every customs post could if they wanted turn your load out, and a lot of them did, we now had T forms, and because of the language difference, there where misunderstancings and constant delays, at most of the borders, you see they now knew what you where carrying, it was all on the T form, and if it was shoes or wine, or something nice, you knew there sticky fingers would want some of it.

Now back to the tilt, it did have its bad points, especially if it had to be sealed, as i didn’t have many ways off keeping your load secure, there where a couple of hooks in the floor, and then there where huge drop sides, and then these flimsy wooden slats that always broke, it was also a nightmare to strip it out, if you had to do it yourself, I remember there wasn’t much in the way of restraining these loads, I was always thinking of ways of keeping the load secure, as I am of the “Chuck it in school” of driving, here’s a couple of photos when it didn’t work out, you can also see that the wooden side boards nearly always got broken, and you had to juggle them about the trailer for the best results.

Tilt is another way of spelling the word ‘evil’ I hate them with a passion & would rather rope & sheet a load than strip one down to a flat & start again, if you find out who invented them let me know & I’ll march round there & shove a cabbage board right up his jacksie :laughing:

Yeah they were essential for TIR work & very versatile but you still had to secure things inside, just because it has sides it doesn’t mean the load won’t shift, a lesson some of my curtainside driving colleagues would do well to learn :unamused:

They did make a good sunbed though with a few roof boards out you would never fall off & you got a nice breeze up that high, just had to remember you were up in the air when you got up for a pee in the night :laughing:

Tyrone:
Tilt is another way of spelling the word ‘evil’ I hate them with a passion & would rather rope & sheet a load than strip one down to a flat & start again, if you find out who invented them let me know & I’ll march round there & shove a cabbage board right up his jacksie :laughing:

Yeah they were essential for TIR work & very versatile but you still had to secure things inside, just because it has sides it doesn’t mean the load won’t shift, a lesson some of my curtainside driving colleagues would do well to learn :unamused:

They did make a good sunbed though with a few roof boards out you would never fall off & you got a nice breeze up that high, just had to remember you were up in the air when you got up for a pee in the night :laughing:

Quite right!
IF your load was secure it was versatile if hard work t strip down to tip.However,you could THINK your load was secure,until it bit you in the arse.


secure load being tipped in Baghdad


Astran subbie Adrian Slaughter had the chains break securing his cable reels and didn’t know about it until just before Mosul.

" Astran subbie Adrian Slaughter had the chains break securing his cable reels and didn’t know about it until just before Mosul ".
That was the same as the load I had to pick up from the side of Mont Cenis for Italy. The French wrecking crew were going to load 'em upright again but I insisted they lay the stupid things on the the their side & got to the dest. with no probs.
PS.Do they still transport these things standing up on tilts/curtainsiders ?

harry:
" Astran subbie Adrian Slaughter had the chains break securing his cable reels and didn’t know about it until just before Mosul ".
That was the same as the load I had to pick up from the side of Mont Cenis for Italy. The French wrecking crew were going to load 'em upright again but I insisted they lay the stupid things on the the their side & got to the dest. with no probs.
PS.Do they still transport these things standing up on tilts/curtainsiders ?

I brought 3 cable drums from France like that Harry, picked them up off a ship and craned in through the roof. Fortunately mine were empty reels so a couple of straps on each held them secure.