dangerousdave:
I thought you had to have 36 hours break in a week?
I think you may be thinking of the old regulations m8 where you could reduce the weekly rest to 36 hours at base or 24 hours away from base, the regulations changed April 11 this year.
BTW I just had a quick look at your site, can’t say I found anything scary about It but I really like the layout 
Ta!
The old site crashed and I had to rebuild it all from scratch a few weeks ago so most the stuff was lost.
So on April 11th things changed and I know the driving breaks can be 1x15min and 1x30mins (not the other way round), but what else major has changed?
Where can I find all the details of the changes, any idea?
Everyone does like to make things complicated, especially when mr ‘White Van Man’ can do 90 hours a week of driving!
dangerousdave:
Everyone does like to make things complicated, especially when mr ‘White Van Man’ can do 90 hours a week of driving!
Not legally they can’t
Peter
Reading this thread has now got me worried that I may be breaking the law.
My normal Monday to Friday job is an IT Consultant. Each day I work from 0900hrs to 1730 hrs (less 1 hour for lunch), so 7.5 hrs per day or 37.5 hrs per week.
On top of this I spend at least 2 hrs per day driving to and from work. So in total on average I spend 47.5hrs combined driving and working per week.
Since passing my class 1, I have spent the last 5 weekends working for an agency, each time between 8-10 hrs, starting at 0600hrs on the saturday morning.
The agency know what I do for a living and the hours that I spend travelling and working and are still prepared to put me forward for driving work every weekend, but in effect if I work till 1600hrs on a Saturday (worst case scenario), I then only have 39 hrs off before I leave the house to go to work on a Monday morning.
Am I breaking the law here working 6 days every week or does it not matter because the 2 jobs are at totally different ends of the spectrum ?
Your assistence is appreciated.
Ian.
ianf6512:
Reading this thread has now got me worried that I may be breaking the law.My normal Monday to Friday job is an IT Consultant. Each day I work from 0900hrs to 1730 hrs (less 1 hour for lunch), so 7.5 hrs per day or 37.5 hrs per week.
On top of this I spend at least 2 hrs per day driving to and from work. So in total on average I spend 47.5hrs combined driving and working per week.
Since passing my class 1, I have spent the last 5 weekends working for an agency, each time between 8-10 hrs, starting at 0600hrs on the saturday morning.
The agency know what I do for a living and the hours that I spend travelling and working and are still prepared to put me forward for driving work every weekend, but in effect if I work till 1600hrs on a Saturday (worst case scenario), I then only have 39 hrs off before I leave the house to go to work on a Monday morning.
Am I breaking the law here working 6 days every week or does it not matter because the 2 jobs are at totally different ends of the spectrum ?
Your assistence is appreciated.
Ian.
You are falling foul of the tacho regulations by having insufficient weekly rest. You are having a reduced rest every week and under the new regulations you must take a full rest period at least every second week. The work you do in IT is classed as other work under the tacho rules, the driving to and from work does not count. You can only work every second Saturday given the times you have detailed above. The only way you could work every Saturday is if you can squeeze in a shift that finishes no later than 12:00 on every second Saturday, leaving you a full 45-hour rest before starting work at 09:00 Monday.
Coffeeholic:
The only way you could work every Saturday is if you can squeeze in a shift that finishes no later than 12:00 on every second Saturday, leaving you a full 45-hour rest before starting work at 09:00 Monday.
Pardon 
I think your fingers ran away from you there Coffee.
The only way you could work every Saturday is if you can squeeze in a shift that finishes no later than 12:00, leaving you a full 45-hour rest before starting work at 09:00 Monday.
Cutting out
on every second Saturday
I would reckon you can work later every second Saturday, provided you finish no later than 16:30.
My reasoning is:-
You finish work every day in your normal job at 17:30 and start again at 09:00. That gives you a daily rest period of 15:30 hours. 
The daily rest requirement for a driver is 11:00 hours, which means you have 4:30 hours more than the that every night.
That 4:30 can be used as compensation for your reduced weekend rest, but you must have a full 45 hour weekend rest the weekend following a reduced weekend rest. Compensation for a reduced weekend rest has to be taken in one block.
For a further complication, you could work later every second weekend, finishing no later than 18:30.
The same reasoning as above, but. A daily rest period can be reduced to 9:00 hours (no compensation required).
You reduce one of your normal daily rest periods (of 15:30) during the week to 9:00 hours, the remaining 6:30 is the compensation for your reduced weekend rest. (This reduced daily rest of 9:00 hours is a paperwork reduction only).
Confused now 
Simon:
Coffeeholic:
The only way you could work every Saturday is if you can squeeze in a shift that finishes no later than 12:00 on every second Saturday, leaving you a full 45-hour rest before starting work at 09:00 Monday.Pardon
I think your fingers ran away from you there Coffee.
You think wrong. It says exactly what it is meant to say in that he could work every Saturday but there is a limitation on the finish time every second Saturday.
He could work every Saturday if on every second one he finishes no later than 12:00 giving him a full - 45 hour - weekly rest period from12:00 Saturday through to 09:00 Monday. On the alternate Saturdays he can finish when he normally does between 14:00 and 16:00, he says he starts work at 06:00 and does an 8 - 10 hour shift, giving him a reduced weekly rest of between 41 and 43 hours.
Simon:
The only way you could work every Saturday is if you can squeeze in a shift that finishes no later than 12:00, leaving you a full 45-hour rest before starting work at 09:00 Monday.
Cutting out
on every second Saturday
Why do you need to cut that out, it now implies he needs a full weekly rest every week, which he doesn’t, and that is the only way he can work every Saturday, which is wrong.
Simon:
Confused now
You obviously are. 
Coffeeholic:
Simon:
Confused nowYou obviously are.
Only by that line in your previous post. 
Re-re-reading it, you’re correct of course, but clear as mud
As you haven’t ‘corrected me’ on any of the details in the my post, about finish times and rest periods for ianf6512, I take it they at least are correct?
Simon:
Coffeeholic:
Simon:
Confused nowYou obviously are.
Only by that line in your previous post.
Re-re-reading it, you’re correct of course, but clear as mud
What’s not clear? I pointed out how, by squeezing in a shift that finishes by 12:00 every second Saturday he could still work the shifts he currently does on the other Saturdays, thereby making it possible for him to still work every Saturday. Seems perfectly clear, or at least it was until you started randomly cutting bits out of it to change its meaning. 
Simon:
As you haven’t ‘corrected me’ on any of the details in the my post, about finish times and rest periods for ianf6512, I take it they at least are correct?
I hadn’t read any further in your post, I only read the bit where you started altering my advice, which is why I didn’t mention any of that part. Now I have read it you are talking about daily rest periods on the days he just does his IT job and doesn’t drive. He doesn’t need to take daily rest periods on those days, he only needs to observe daily rest periods on the days he drives.