Question for the edumacated amongst us

May have to pop into make up later, get a dab of rouge on both cheeks, oh and the upper ones too… :wink:

Juddian:
May have to pop into make up later, get a dab of rouge on both cheeks, oh and the upper ones too… :wink:

:laughing: Who needs Dipper Dave.

shirts:
I drive an automatic Man truck that has just been fitted out with telematics by Data Driven Logistics. This measures numerous parameters ie over speed, greenband driving, cruise control etc. All readings good (A grade) apart from 1. Under the heading Torque, I am getting (along with the other drivers) G’s, which apparently, is the lowest grade there is. I have no idea what this is, and how it can be improved. When I asked about this, I was told that this is…

" % of events where torque usage is more than 92% of that available"

Can anyone translate this into common English ? :open_mouth:

Don’t press the “go” pedal any further down than half-way when moving up the gears.
Try this next week and see how you get on.[emoji6]

Big Truck:

shirts:
I drive an automatic Man truck that has just been fitted out with telematics by Data Driven Logistics. This measures numerous parameters ie over speed, greenband driving, cruise control etc. All readings good (A grade) apart from 1. Under the heading Torque, I am getting (along with the other drivers) G’s, which apparently, is the lowest grade there is. I have no idea what this is, and how it can be improved. When I asked about this, I was told that this is…

" % of events where torque usage is more than 92% of that available"

Can anyone translate this into common English ? :open_mouth:

Don’t press the “go” pedal any further down than half-way when moving up the gears.
Try this next week and see how you get on.[emoji6]

I tend to let the cruise control pick the speed up…

nomiS36:
All this telematics being fitted to auto trucks is a load of crap! I really think we are now expected to concentrate more on saving a few quid on fuel than actually driving the bloody things! Trying to second guess whether the arescronic box is going to change gear at the correct moment is impossible. Give us proper trucks with proper manual gearboxes then test us I say!
I just don’t understand why they even need all this telematics crap! At the end of the day it’s surely to monitor fuel consumption which can be done for free and accurately with a calculator.

Its more than just for fuel saving. It picks out drivers who trash trucks for no reason. The things it monitors cost firms a lot of money when you add up the costs running fleets the size of Stobarts or Maritime etc.

At any given engine speed you will have a torque value right up to peak power of the motor normally just over the top of the green.

If you are being flagged for using more than 92% then you’re basically opening it up under load. Imagine up a hill in a high gear, you’d need to floor it and wait for the engine to spool up and you’d probably be at wide open throttle in order to get anywhere.

So perhaps change down and rev it more? Quite the opposite of how I was taught to save fuel.

Do the telematics allow for gradient ? I have worked in areas where I will be at max power [1] all the way up then jake all the way down the other side

[1] but of course max power is well above the rev range where max torque exists, so are they wanting you to ascend hills at big revs ? But then they mark out the rev counter with a green area where they would like you to keep the revs, and this area is usually the point where max torque starts to drop off (at full throttle openings) so does this mean you shouldn’t use full throttle in the green range :confused:

I tend to let the cruise control pick the speed up…

Cruise control tends to deliver the equivilant of 100% throttle position, which at some point will equate to max torque.

Torque is nothing more than rotational force, which translates through as acceleration. So don’t use the cruise control to accelerate, and be like a fly on the throttle, and your problem will be solved.

Also, use downhill gradients to increase speed in preparation for an uphill where possible; not only does this save fuel as everyone knows, but it means you will require less TORQUE to reach the crest of the hill at a half decent speed, hence further reducing the likelihood of any ‘excessive torque’ issues flagging up on the net nanny computer thingy :sunglasses:

I can’t say for man, but scania the two things tripping drivers up is harsh acceleration and torque. Acceleration is down to letting cruise build up speed rather than taking your time. Torque is using the exhaust brake. Just highlight to your boss that whilst it is registering high torque you are actually saving them money, fuel is not being used + brake pads saved.

nomiS36:
Trying to second guess whether the arescronic box is going to change gear at the correct moment is impossible. Give us proper trucks with proper manual gearboxes then test us I say!

If you can’t drive an automatic you shouldn’t be in a truck.

I just don’t understand why they even need all this telematics crap! At the end of the day it’s surely to monitor fuel consumption which can be done for free and accurately with a calculator.

Because of crap drivers knackering wagons and loads by driving them like they stole them. Fuel economy doesn’t tell you the whole story about how a truck is being driven, braking, cornering and acceleration do that as well as fuel economy.

muckles:
Until you get a driver that takes long routes to improve their mpg,

A few weeks ago I did a day run on a Friday. Drop in Corby, one in Leamington Spa then up to Hams Hall for a trailer swap then a drop at Binley in Coventry then one near Foleshill in Coventry and finally one in Nuneaton then returning back to Howden during Friday teatime rush hour traffic up the M42, M1. Still got exactly the same scores and overall percentages on the telematics as I do doing a night trunk up to Lockerbie, still got 10MPG same as I do doing a night trunk. And no I wasn’t hanging about as I did what was supposed to be a night out in one day.

Nothing to do with whether you’re doing long trunk runs or a multi drop like the above, everything to do with who is behind the wheel.

Conor:

muckles:
Until you get a driver that takes long routes to improve their mpg,

A few weeks ago I did a day run on a Friday. Drop in Corby, one in Leamington Spa then up to Hams Hall for a trailer swap then a drop at Binley in Coventry then one near Foleshill in Coventry and finally one in Nuneaton then returning back to Howden during Friday teatime rush hour traffic up the M42, M1. Still got exactly the same scores and overall percentages on the telematics as I do doing a night trunk up to Lockerbie, still got 10MPG same as I do doing a night trunk. And no I wasn’t hanging about as I did what was supposed to be a night out in one day.

Nothing to do with whether you’re doing long trunk runs or a multi drop like the above, everything to do with who is behind the wheel.

So you did a mutli drop on 90% plus Motorway and Major trunk routes and got a similar MPG to a Trunk run using Motorways and Major truck routes, you are truly the guru of truck driving. :laughing:

What an absolute load of crap all this telemetrics stuff is. I couldn’t give a toss what torque parameter targets are met, I thought that the Daf backseat driver program was the biggest pile of bovine faeces until reading this thread.

shirts:
I drive an automatic Man truck that has just been fitted out with telematics by Data Driven Logistics. This measures numerous parameters ie over speed, greenband driving, cruise control etc. All readings good (A grade) apart from 1. Under the heading Torque, I am getting (along with the other drivers) G’s, which apparently, is the lowest grade there is. I have no idea what this is, and how it can be improved. When I asked about this, I was told that this is…

" % of events where torque usage is more than 92% of that available"

Can anyone translate this into common English ? :open_mouth:

You are keeping your foot to the floor and not letting the truck change gear when it wants to . And when pulling away only give it enough pedal to get it moving and not putting the pedal to the floor . Try Using the throttle as you would in a manual and manually change gear when you hit the sweet spot .

As I am normally fully freighted and drive on cruise control most of the time, I shall…

A - Not use the cruise control to accelerate upto speed…

B - Drop a gear manually when climbing a hill and not rely on the auto box to select it…

See if that makes any difference :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

I used to have these problems so I unplugged the offending box and put it in the storage box, it doesn’t beep at me any more.

Conan the Librarian:
Using too high a gear?

its Automatic

Big Truck:

shirts:
I drive an automatic Man truck that has just been fitted out with telematics by Data Driven Logistics. This measures numerous parameters ie over speed, greenband driving, cruise control etc. All readings good (A grade) apart from 1. Under the heading Torque, I am getting (along with the other drivers) G’s, which apparently, is the lowest grade there is. I have no idea what this is, and how it can be improved. When I asked about this, I was told that this is…

" % of events where torque usage is more than 92% of that available"

Can anyone translate this into common English ? :open_mouth:

Don’t press the “go” pedal any further down than half-way when moving up the gears.
Try this next week and see how you get on.[emoji6]

i only get 10 hour paid :exclamation:

Immigrant:

Big Truck:

shirts:
I drive an automatic Man truck that has just been fitted out with telematics by Data Driven Logistics. This measures numerous parameters ie over speed, greenband driving, cruise control etc. All readings good (A grade) apart from 1. Under the heading Torque, I am getting (along with the other drivers) G’s, which apparently, is the lowest grade there is. I have no idea what this is, and how it can be improved. When I asked about this, I was told that this is…

" % of events where torque usage is more than 92% of that available"

Can anyone translate this into common English ? :open_mouth:

Don’t press the “go” pedal any further down than half-way when moving up the gears.
Try this next week and see how you get on.[emoji6]

i only get 10 hour paid :exclamation:

WTF you on about!!![emoji15]

shirts:
I tend to let the cruise control pick the speed up…

is the correct answer! :grimacing: to snooker the opticruise on the R730 Scania :laughing: mines got a stick though :smiley: low revs more torque and run it up on cruise to 90 clicks. :sunglasses: