well sod me what a good thread. is there another way and 4 people answer saying basically no, all get grief back in return for posting. one builds a nice cheap tool which is a fraction of the cost of what poster as designed/engineered, gets a bit of thanks.
Only a spanner will wind off my alpha / rockwell chambers as the hendrickson roll bar is in the way .
Bking:
Why not let the air do the work,and as for loosing power due to the “length of a deep socket”FF Sake!
If there’s air you aren’t going to need to wind it off, in thd first place, are you and thanks for wrecking the thread with your how I watched a man at work change a brake chamber tale.
Presumably, you think energy is not lost using deeper sockets. Well despite the fact you’ve said it, which will mean with near certainty it is total ■■■■■■■■ without any real need for further investigation, in all your many (made up) years as a mechanic, man and boy, have you ever come across torque sticks?
And in any case, before you even reply, do you not think there are more than enough threads on here that serve no purpose other than as some sort of shrine to your ignorance and continuing ability to talks ■■■■■■■■ in the face of facts?
Dan Punchard:
Only a spanner will wind off my alpha / rockwell chambers as the hendrickson roll bar is in the way .
I smell a potential sales opportunity 
Not planning on going into the tool business and it’s too good to be wasted on the hoi polloi anyway 
Such a simple question, so many unsimple answers!!! I love this forum 
Northnorthwest:
Such a simple question, so many unsimple answers!!! I love this forum
I’m just glad at least one other person has thought this job is a bit of a ball ache maybe there’s faster way.
I don’t think I’ve been unduly harsh, if you stopped and asked someone directions there’s only so long you can nod and smile whilst they try and give you a lesson on how the gearstick works.
Winding chambers off is a ball ache mate along with quite a few other spanner jobs. My general rule of thumb is if it’s a pig of a job and you can make it easier for yourself then do it. I don’t get paid any extra to struggle and I don’t like seing others struggle either
When I was at the recovery work, we just used a spanner for winding off the chambers your talking about. We’d use an air gun for the type with the 24 mm nut.
However it generally wasn’t needed unless you had a major problem.
Tractor units were normally lifted from the rear and most, but not all, don’t have anchor locks on the front axle.
Trailers could normally just be fed with air from the wrecker so no problem there.
Obviously though we did have to do it on occasion and in those cases, a spanner worked fine.
It’s a good idea but from the recovery side of things, I wouldn’t bother with it. I never found myself saying I wish there was an easier way because I just didn’t have to deal with it that much.
Joe
kitbuilder123:
When I was at the recovery work, we just used a spanner for winding off the chambers your talking about. We’d use an air gun for the type with the 24 mm nut.
However it generally wasn’t needed unless you had a major problem.
Tractor units were normally lifted from the rear and most, but not all, don’t have anchor locks on the front axle.
Trailers could normally just be fed with air from the wrecker so no problem there.
Obviously though we did have to do it on occasion and in those cases, a spanner worked fine.
It’s a good idea but from the recovery side of things, I wouldn’t bother with it. I never found myself saying I wish there was an easier way because I just didn’t have to deal with it that much.
Joe
Most tractors dont have front axle park brake!!! is this just before the war?
Napoleonic I mean!
Own Account Driver:
Bking:
Why not let the air do the work,and as for loosing power due to the “length of a deep socket”FF Sake!
If there’s air you aren’t going to need to wind it off, in thd first place, are you and thanks for wrecking the thread with your how I watched a man at work change a brake chamber tale.
Presumably, you think energy is not lost using deeper sockets. Well despite the fact you’ve said it, which will mean with near certainty it is total ■■■■■■■■ without any real need for further investigation, in all your many (made up) years as a mechanic, man and boy, have you ever come across torque sticks?
And in any case, before you even reply, do you not think there are more than enough threads on here that serve no purpose other than as some sort of shrine to your ignorance and continuing ability to talks ■■■■■■■■ in the face of facts?
Torque sticks?? What the ■■■■ is a torque stick.
Bking:
kitbuilder123:
When I was at the recovery work, we just used a spanner for winding off the chambers your talking about. We’d use an air gun for the type with the 24 mm nut.
However it generally wasn’t needed unless you had a major problem.
Tractor units were normally lifted from the rear and most, but not all, don’t have anchor locks on the front axle.
Trailers could normally just be fed with air from the wrecker so no problem there.
Obviously though we did have to do it on occasion and in those cases, a spanner worked fine.
It’s a good idea but from the recovery side of things, I wouldn’t bother with it. I never found myself saying I wish there was an easier way because I just didn’t have to deal with it that much.
JoeMost tractors dont have front axle park brake!!! is this just before the war?
Napoleonic I mean!
Take a peek under a brand new MAN, you won’t find spring brakes on the front axle!
Bking:
Own Account Driver:
Bking:
Why not let the air do the work,and as for loosing power due to the “length of a deep socket”FF Sake!
If there’s air you aren’t going to need to wind it off, in thd first place, are you and thanks for wrecking the thread with your how I watched a man at work change a brake chamber tale.
Presumably, you think energy is not lost using deeper sockets. Well despite the fact you’ve said it, which will mean with near certainty it is total ■■■■■■■■ without any real need for further investigation, in all your many (made up) years as a mechanic, man and boy, have you ever come across torque sticks?
And in any case, before you even reply, do you not think there are more than enough threads on here that serve no purpose other than as some sort of shrine to your ignorance and continuing ability to talks ■■■■■■■■ in the face of facts?
Torque sticks?? What the [zb] is a torque stick.
You’re the one that can’t stop telling everyone you’re the expert.
Guess you decided there weren’t enough threads full of your ■■■■■■■■ then?
AF1:
Bking:
kitbuilder123:
When I was at the recovery work, we just used a spanner for winding off the chambers your talking about. We’d use an air gun for the type with the 24 mm nut.
However it generally wasn’t needed unless you had a major problem.
Tractor units were normally lifted from the rear and most, but not all, don’t have anchor locks on the front axle.
Trailers could normally just be fed with air from the wrecker so no problem there.
Obviously though we did have to do it on occasion and in those cases, a spanner worked fine.
It’s a good idea but from the recovery side of things, I wouldn’t bother with it. I never found myself saying I wish there was an easier way because I just didn’t have to deal with it that much.
JoeMost tractors dont have front axle park brake!!! is this just before the war?
Napoleonic I mean!Yes I love German technology a pair of cheap rubber chocks to stop the piece of crap rolling away if you jack up the back axle?
Take a peek under a brand new MAN, you won’t find spring brakes on the front axle!
Sorry Bking but, I’m afraid, as someone else correctly stated, most trucks have spring brake chambers on the drive only.
Own Account Driver:
Sorry Bking but, I’m afraid, as someone else correctly stated, most trucks have spring brake chambers on the drive only.
If you say so monkey
so wheres the chocks as required by law?
Knob.
Own Account Driver:
Sorry Bking but, I’m afraid, as someone else correctly stated, most trucks have spring brake chambers on the drive only.
Talking about “trucks” not some piece of 18 toone shopping trolley.
Bking:
Own Account Driver:
Sorry Bking but, I’m afraid, as someone else correctly stated, most trucks have spring brake chambers on the drive only.If you say so monkey
so wheres the chocks as required by law?
Knob.
Yes, I do say so
No chocks are required unless under ADR
Spring brakes are rare on steer axles outside of heavy haulage. It is actually not sensible from a safety point of view as if the brake system lost air the spring brakes would come on an if they locked up the steer axle the driver would lose steering control potentially before the vehicle had reached standstill.
Own Account Driver:
Bking:
Own Account Driver:
Sorry Bking but, I’m afraid, as someone else correctly stated, most trucks have spring brake chambers on the drive only.If you say so monkey
so wheres the chocks as required by law?
Knob.Yes, I do say so
No chocks are required unless under ADR
Spring brakes are rare on steer axles outside of heavy haulage. It is actually not sensible from a safety point of view as if the brake system lost air the spring brakes would come on an if they locked up the steer axle the driver would lose steering control potentially before the vehicle had reached standstill.
not quite right you do have spring brake actuators on all wheels but it’s common to only have single acting on the front axle the have the doubles on the drive and lift axle as you only need the extra braking force when loaded
Angus25:
Own Account Driver:
Bking:
Own Account Driver:
Sorry Bking but, I’m afraid, as someone else correctly stated, most trucks have spring brake chambers on the drive only.If you say so monkey
so wheres the chocks as required by law?
Knob.Yes, I do say so
No chocks are required unless under ADR
Spring brakes are rare on steer axles outside of heavy haulage. It is actually not sensible from a safety point of view as if the brake system lost air the spring brakes would come on an if they locked up the steer axle the driver would lose steering control potentially before the vehicle had reached standstill.
not quite right you do have spring brake actuators on all wheels but it’s common to only have single acting on the front axle the have the doubles on the drive and lift axle as you only need the extra braking force when loaded
Sorry this isn’t correct, you are mistaken in thinking the bigger looking brake chambers are more powerful.
The larger brake chambers on drives are because they are spring brake chambers the spring holds the brakes on when parked/no air on that axle. It is mounted on the back of the regular service brake chambers although on many they look like one unit now. These do not provide any additional braking force compared to the regular brake chambers on the other axles they are all identical - infact the air system is designed to avoid both the spring and the regular brake chamber, mounted on the drive, applying too much force simulataneously and damaging the brakes.
The other single chambers, on the other axles, you are referring to are just regular service brake chambers. They do have a weak spring inside to ensure the return of the brake actuators when the air supply is removed (ie footbrake released) but these are not referred to as spring brake chambers, certainly not by anyone involved in repair or at a parts counter.
The spring brake is shorthand for parking spring brake and much like motor cars there is no requirement for all axles to have a parking brake.
Look I was trying to say by having them on the drive and lift axles is to hold the vehicle when stationry and were im from even the single acting chambers are know as an sba even at the parts counter but as every thing on this web site exsperance counts for nothing