Question about hours

it would seem that things have changed a little bit since i was last driving:

after 4.5hrs you need to have taken a 45 min rest, that is still the same, but it can no longer be split into 3x15mins? it must be taken as 15min + 30min. are you allowed to take 30min and then 15mins?

if you reduce your daily rest to 9hrs this no longer needs to be compensated for?

weekly rest can be reduced to 24hrs. that has always been the case, but now you can reduce to 24hrs while you are AT base? or is it only if you are away from base?

compensation for reduced weekly rest: can this be tagged on to a daily rest period? or must it be added to a weekly rest period?

you used to have to carry tacho’s for the current working week and the last day worked of the previous week, it seems that you now have to carry 28 days worth?

there is now a rule that after 6hrs you must take a 15min break? is that correct?

there is also a rule that your working week must not average more than 48hrs? or have i got that completely wrong? that doesn’t sound right to me, i have never worked less than 50hrs and all the jobs that i have been looking at are more than 48hrs, so i think i may have misunderstood what that rule means, either that or most of the industry is breaking the law. could someone please clarify that for me?

where can i get some info about digital tacho’s and how to use them?

many thanks in advance :slight_smile: there seems to be some odd new rules and i want to make sure i understand them.

jbaz73:
reduce your daily rest to 9hrs this no longer needs to be compensated for?

Correct - only reduced weekly rest needs compensation

jbaz73:
are you allowed to take 30min and then 15mins?

No

weekly rest can be reduced to 24hrs. that has always been the case, but now you can reduce to 24hrs while you are AT base? or is it only if you are away from base?

Anywhere

there is now a rule that after 6hrs you must take a 15min break? is that correct?

For the RTD a break of at least 15 mins is required for 6 hours of work - that does not include POA so its a total of driving and other work

there is also a rule that your working week must not average more than 48hrs? or have i got that completely wrong? that doesn’t sound right to me, i have never worked less than 50hrs and all the jobs that i have been looking at are more than 48hrs, so i think i may have misunderstood what that rule means, either that or most of the industry is breaking the law. could someone please clarify that for me?

avergae of 48 hours work not shift time - companies will sort that for you if they can be bothered
Authorities have noot been bothered with the RTD since it started over 5 years ago !! but they may do in the future … hmmm…

compensation for reduced weekly rest: can this be tagged on to a daily rest period? or must it be added to a weekly rest period?

Either - your choice - all must be paid back in one go

you used to have to carry tacho’s for the current working week and the last day worked of the previous week, it seems that you now have to carry 28 days worth?

Current day plus the last 28 calendar days - digicards are mainly used now so that is not so much of an issue

where can i get some info about digital tacho’s and how to use them?

There is a post on this site somewhere in which you can practise online :smiley:

hi rog, many thanks that’s cleared a lot of thing up! :slight_smile:

when i looked in the jobcentre, there are still jobs being advertised as 50hr basic week plus overtime. i’m not really sure how they’re going to enforce the WTD but i’ve got a feeling that if they ever do, there will be a lot of very unhappy bunnies.

so you can only do at maximum 15hrs? if you worked say 16hrs of mixed driving and other duties followed by 9hrs rest that would be illegal? or on the other hand, you couldn’t do 15hrs each day as long as the driving rules and rest rules were not broken? the 15/13hrs are now a maximum?

and if for example you were to take 3 weeks running of 24hr weekly rests, then the following 3 weeks of 45+24hr rest as compensation, that would be legal?

also when reducing the weekly rest, for example if i reduced by 10hrs, i would only have to take 10hrs compesation, or does any reduction have to be treated as if you have reduced to 24hrs and compensated for with 24hrs?

i understand that reductions in weekly rest can still be compensated for by tagging it onto either a weekly or daily rest? that is still ok, it does not need to be added to a weekly rest period?

phew! so many questions!!! :slight_smile: no wonder newbies struggle!

i believe that the C licence is counted as provisional for CE. when i pass CE will it show up on my licence as a different category? what i mean is that when i passed C, my entitlement for C1 was merged into C (which was my original car test pass date and lasted till i’m 70) what i’m worried about is that when i pass CE the C category will disappear. given the 2 years experience problem, i would like to know if my original C entitlement with pass date will still be there so i have the opportunity to drive rigids until i can get a start on the artics.

jbaz73:
when i looked in the jobcentre, there are still jobs being advertised as 50hr basic week plus overtime. i’m not really sure how they’re going to enforce the WTD but i’ve got a feeling that if they ever do, there will be a lot of very unhappy bunnies.

That is referring to shift times and not to working hours

A driver could do a shift of 15 hours and only drive for 6 and do other work for 2 in that time with the rest being POA or break so that shift will only be 8 hours for the RTD not 15

so you can only do at maximum 15hrs? if you worked say 16hrs of mixed driving and other duties followed by 9hrs rest that would be illegal? or on the other hand, you couldn’t do 15hrs each day as long as the driving rules and rest rules were not broken? the 15/13hrs are now a maximum?

Many make the same error as you have by talking about max shift times but the relevant issue is the amount of rest required within 24 hours from when the shift started or to put it better - from the end of the last daily (or weekly) rest period

Once you get that concept then you can get to the answers you wish to easier
For example does 16+9 fit into 24 ?

and if for example you were to take 3 weeks running of 24hr weekly rests, then the following 3 weeks of 45+24hr rest as compensation, that would be legal?

A Full unbroken weekly rest of at least 45 hours must be IN and ‘assigned to’ at least every other week
IN means at least 1 minute of that rest must be in that fixed week which runs from sunday midnight to sunday midnight so it can be ‘assigned’ to be the weekly rest for that fixed week

also when reducing the weekly rest, for example if i reduced by 10hrs, i would only have to take 10hrs compesation, or does any reduction have to be treated as if you have reduced to 24hrs and compensated for with 24hrs?

If you took 35 hours off instead of 45 then only 10 hours would need compensating for

i understand that reductions in weekly rest can still be compensated for by tagging it onto either a weekly or daily rest? that is still ok, it does not need to be added to a weekly rest period?

Any rest period be it daily or weekly - must be paid back in full in one go

i believe that the C licence is counted as provisional for CE. when i pass CE will it show up on my licence as a different category? what i mean is that when i passed C, my entitlement for C1 was merged into C (which was my original car test pass date and lasted till i’m 70) what i’m worried about is that when i pass CE the C category will disappear. given the 2 years experience problem, i would like to know if my original C entitlement with pass date will still be there so i have the opportunity to drive rigids until i can get a start on the artics.

C and CE show as differet categories on the licence
Not all categories show on the licence but are still there as a higher category may have hidden them
C1 is a subcategory of C
C1+E is a subcategory of C+E

Maybe things have changed with the new licences but until recently all the pre 1997 C1 and C1+E categories were shown seperately as they have a different expiry date than those other LGV categories gained by passing a DSA test