Question about general forum vehemence

I’ve just spent over an hour reading the first four pages of the Suttons Tanker Dispute thread. It did little for my general health. Slight juddering from the exceptionally high levels of communism turned into a full blown frothing at the mouth attack when the ■■■■■■■ love-child of Karl Marx and Jeremy Corbyn chipped in with the official Unite pitch at the bottom of page 1.

I digress though, except to establish my bona-fides as a capitolist dreamer content to climb upon the backs of the little man in my quest for ever greater profits. (Phew, that should stop the usual suspects from attacking my character and ignoring the question!)

The question which is raised in my mind most is, when did Wincanton become the Anti-Christ?

Before anyone gets up on the whole, “Didn’t you ask if the strikers were right?” question, go back and read the admission of capitalist tendencies. I’ve never met a striker I agreed with, either in the terms of a labour dispute or that bloody stupid game that knocks motor racing off the telly, and have never been nor do I ever desire to be, a member of a union. Put all that to one side, or feel free to run off to the aforementioned strike thread and vilify me to your hearts content, I’m not going back in there anyway!

From my experience, as an employed driver of, an agency driver for and a sub-contractor to Wincanton, the work is doable and reasonably planned, the training is provided with a smile and full pay, the bloke on the end of the phone is both human, and familiar with what a lorry looks like. Add into that the fact that the money is reasonable, while not leaning towards decadent and is always there on time and correct and I cant understand why Wincanton have attracted the ire of the TNUK massive.

I share a yard with about 25 Wincanton wagons, over containers, tankers and construction, and I never hear a complaint against them. The only wagon in the yard newer than the bulk of the Wincanton fleet is mine, (won’t last, they have deeper pockets than me). In fact the only Wincanton driver in the yard I can see who has a reason to grumble is the poor sod in the low roofed 12 plate MAN TGX pulling a powder tanker. Its by far the oldest truck on the fleet and the only low cabbed unit there, including the two cement mixers which are based on site and have FM Globetrotter cabs for day work! He though, cant praise em enough.

Calling them Wincanski is a bit off too as its very rare you hear an eastern European accent issuing forth from a Wincanton polo shirt.

Please enlighten me as to how Wincanton came to have the apparent reputation it has gained on here. And please take note of the tone of the OP. Leave your communistical or caplitolist leanings in the topic list, unless it arrives in fistfuls of gleeful self mockery.

Its another large company that people love to hate.

I’m trying to remember if I mentioned them…I dislike them as an Operator having had some dealings with them and then deciding not to any more.

I’m vehemently centrist, can’t work out if I disagree with everyone or no one. :stuck_out_tongue:

It’s just a typical British thing to try and bring down anyone or anything successful rather than making ones own life better. At least Wincanton are one of the better ones for pay and conditions.

Wincanton were only briefly mentioned in the Suttons thread so I don’t get why you’ve linked them?

Radar19:
Its another large company that people love to hate.

There’s some very good reasons for people disliking large companies. They are largely the ones using their market presence to control t’s and c’s and that’s rarely beneficial to the staff. Look at what Nynas are trying to push through and possibly with the connivance of Suttons. Tossco used Stobrats to do quite a bit of their dirty work down the years. De Poel have worked hand in hand with the big players across the industry to control wages and movement of drivers. I’d be fairly confident that if someone could afford decent legal representation and witnesses stood up to them many of the big players would be found guilty of operating a cartel, yet again.

TiredAndEmotional:
Wincanton were only briefly mentioned in the Suttons thread so I don’t get why you’ve linked them?

It was several times on the first couple of pages. So much so that I thought how has Wincanton gotten so much bad press on this forum in the two weeks since I was last in the UK Professional Drivers Forum.

McGurke:
It’s just a typical British thing to try and bring down anyone or anything successful rather than making ones own life better.

Pretty much the entire theme on Reddit’s UK subs. It is certainly a strong theme amongst Millennials - everything is the baby boomers fault with their six figure houses and final salary pensions. Funnily enough none of the baby boomers I know save one uncle who was a teacher has these things.

Wincanton have probably ■■■■■■ on someones chips by taking over a racket here or there.

Janos:
Wincanton have probably ■■■■■■ on someones chips by taking over a racket here or there.

The Grinch is here too!

Doubt anyone has a problem with them other then they are a large firm that have no doubt run smaller firms out of business.
Same reason some people hate supermarkets.

adam277:
Doubt anyone has a problem with them other then they are a large firm that have no doubt run smaller firms out of business.
Same reason some people hate supermarkets.

They no doubt have the same ethos of mr stobart when it comes little firms o/d’s.

Bad week pal ? :open_mouth:

When I worked for DHL we had up to 20 containers a day delivering to site, all pulled by Wincanton or their subbies.
As well as Wincanton collecting 7 loads a day.

Hearing a non East European accent was a rarity…some literally spoke only a word or two of English.

I thought most of the vehemence in the Suttons thread was directed at: 1) whoever posts an opinion contrary to the second poster’s own view. 2) the sutton’s drivers because they are paid more than the poster. 3) train drivers for the same reason as in 3. 4) suttons. 5) Nymas.