Pump truck H and S watch this youtube.com/watch?v=_v5wAxU6mtc&t=866s from 8m 46s and again from 13m 50s, its an eye opener, the guy does nothng wrong but its a joke.
Franglais:
cav551:
How much does one of these electric pallet trucks weigh? Can you move it unladen if the battery fails?There are some around now designed for deliveries. Not like the big uns designed to work all day in a warehouse.
145kg.
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That’s the type of thing they use where I’m working at the moment. I don’t use them regularly as I’m normally on Class 1 work where we don’t need them but I’ve done the occasional run out in a rigid when my truck has been in for service or somesuch doing “last mile” pallet network deliveries and I’ve had one then.
Ours will lift a lift a pallet with the motor and you drop it by pulling a lever same as on a manual pallet trolley, and they also move forwards and backwards using the motor, so involve minimal effort by the operator. They are also self-braking when you release the drive switch so are safer than a freewheeling manual pump truck.
milesahead:
What is the law on electric pump trucks? In our place you can’t use them if you didn’t do training, passed test, then you have to renew it every 3 years, basically the same as you do for forklift trucks.
But I had agency jobs, where they didn’t ask you anything, just use it, don’t know if it’s legal or not.Sent from my HUAWEI LYO-L01 using Tapatalk
There is no law, just an ACOP…approved code of practice, technically you dont actually need a license to operate one, or a fork lift for that matter. But your employer ‘‘SHOULD’’ train you to use it safely
There is no legal requirement to issue certificates of basic training, but they provide evidence that operators have received relevant training and achieved an appropriate level of operating ability. There is no such thing as a lift-truck ‘licence’
shullbit:
milesahead:
What is the law on electric pump trucks? In our place you can’t use them if you didn’t do training, passed test, then you have to renew it every 3 years, basically the same as you do for forklift trucks.
But I had agency jobs, where they didn’t ask you anything, just use it, don’t know if it’s legal or not.Sent from my HUAWEI LYO-L01 using Tapatalk
There is no law, just an ACOP…approved code of practice, technically you dont actually need a license to operate one, or a fork lift for that matter. But your employer ‘‘SHOULD’’ train you to use it safely
There is no legal requirement to issue certificates of basic training, but they provide evidence that operators have received relevant training and achieved an appropriate level of operating ability. There is no such thing as a lift-truck ‘licence’
Ok, this makes it clear. But I guess with forklifts, nowadays it’s hard to imagine someone driving them without some kind of official training, be it in house or nationally recognized, you wouldn’t get away with just quickly signing some paper, confirming you have received some training, although from what you are saying, it means in theory it’s possible. I think with electric pump trucks it happens quite often.
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If the pallet wontmove,I turn around and put my back to it and use my legs to get it moving,then once its moving, turn around,this way,you are using the leg muscles instead of your back,which could get strained,but you have to be careful to look where you’re going
The Reason Transport driver who was killed by a pallet shows HSE have very little actual interest in sorting this.
According to the story below, the accident happened in 2016 and it took until 2020 for the company to be brought to court by which time surprise surprise they’d gone bump (but the owner runs another very similar named company).
But crucially they recommended no max weight and only driver assessment, do we all know how well that will work when you pass it to the office. In 2018 HSE sent this to a working group on pallet weights who still haven’t actually published any official guideance.
motortransport.co.uk/blog/2020/ … petru-pop/
So bottom line is up to you. If it can’t be done saftely then it doesn’t get done as they have a “duty of care”, but most of them will never have pushed a pallet truck in their lives so won’t understand. If they get arsey, tell them where to jump as a job is not worth your health.
I’ve used pump trucks, electric and manual, but never to off load a lorry. One thing I’d never do though is to walk backwards on to a tail lift with the pallet following me. Anything goes wrong, the pallet takes a dive, not me.
LET IT GO!!! you dont want this to happen 
youtu.be/e3n7ydQt140
Pretty sure that I read that Rase Distribution quit Palletways after refusing to deliver pallets over 750kg via a tail lift.
shullbit:
Pump truck H and S watch this youtube.com/watch?v=_v5wAxU6mtc&t=866s from 8m 46s and again from 13m 50s, its an eye opener, the guy does nothng wrong but its a joke.
Forgot to post the link, done it now
shullbit:
shullbit:
Pump truck H and S watch this youtube.com/watch?v=_v5wAxU6mtc&t=866s from 8m 46s and again from 13m 50s, its an eye opener, the guy does nothng wrong but its a joke.Forgot to post the link, done it now
This the latest on this -
motortransport.co.uk/blog/2020/ … ht-limits/
Now read this f ing stupid gem
‘Pop also raised concerns about the draft guidance on pallet weights, which HSE is preparing to publish, which will require drivers to make a risk assessment at point of delivery.’ No not when it is loaded onto the truck, at the point of delivery ! Absolutely stupid.
So if put on with a flt but dragged off by a pallet truck you take the risk !
Have had a load fall off three times and one of those was exactly this scenario Porcelenosa tiles, delivery to a residential address down a driveway of sorts.
Couldn’t move the bstard. Was with a helper in the end, we just dived out the way. Porcelenosa effectively sacked me. Couldn’t care less; evil idiots. Stacking too much on one pallet just to save money. Evil.
When you’ve lost one family member to an industrial accident I didn’t intend to make it two.
Reckon tiles should only be deliverd by a moffet/flt.
DHL had the finest H&S rules in the industry when it suited them. I worked at EMA and was often delayed waiting for a trained fork lift driver, but cages and pallets were a free for all pushing them in or dropping pallets with a pump truck. However this only apples from Sunday night to Friday night. Any other time anyone could drive a forklift and use the roller beds to unload airfreight cans, these are the shaped frames that fill an aeroplane body. When the airfield was foggy the shed floor was like a skating rink, yet one man was expected to load and unload himself on a weekend. [emoji15]
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I think online has meant a lot of very unsuitable stuff being sent to unsuitable delivery points on pallet networks. It’s a big change without any real review of working practices.
I would say that technique is very important even guys who’ve been doing it years often make unnecessary hard work of it.