So basically you got just about what a I said you would in the other post.
Unfortunately I think you may still have a TC to deal with yet. It is pretty much automatic that DVSA head office inform the OTC.
The TC isn’t going to discipline you for the specific offence, the court already did that. The TC will deal with your conduct. By being prosecuted and by falsifying a record your repute/conduct falls below that expected of a vocational driver.
shep532:
So basically you got just about what a I said you would in the other post.Unfortunately I think you may still have a TC to deal with yet. It is pretty much automatic that DVSA head office inform the OTC.
The TC isn’t going to discipline you for the specific offence, the court already did that. The TC will deal with your conduct. By being prosecuted and by falsifying a record your repute/conduct falls below that expected of a vocational driver.
its only getting caught for it with our lot that makes your conduct fall below that expected… 
shep532:
So basically you got just about what a I said you would in the other post.Unfortunately I think you may I’d still have a TC to deal with yet. It is pretty much automatic that DVSA head office inform the OTC.
The TC isn’t going to discipline you for the specific offence, the court already did that. The TC will deal with your conduct. By being prosecuted and by falsifying a record your repute/conduct falls below that expected of a vocational driver.
Yea I guessed I’d have to go before the tc , I’m assuming that will be a suspension / revoke your lisense or are there other options open too them , I’m guessing as well you will have too travel back up too where stop took place , ta
What in your experience is the likely action from the TC Shep?
eagerbeaver:
What in your experience is the likely action from the TC Shep?
The statutory document states 4 week suspension per offence for deliberate falsification up to 6 offences then 12 months. I’d suspect it’ll be the 4 weeks but it is possible for just a warning. If he can do a good job of blaming the office, maybe make it seem he was pressured.
Of course a conviction for a level 4 offence is going to hit the operators OCRS pretty hard and they may be in front of a TC as well. Could even provoke an onsite investigation and a report submitted to the TC.
Unfortunately falsification is a serious one, even though in this case it appears to be quite innocent and Dozy ‘just removed his card’. It’s deliberate falsification.
shep532:
eagerbeaver:
What in your experience is the likely action from the TC Shep?The statutory document states 4 week suspension per offence for deliberate falsification up to 6 offences then 12 months. I’d suspect it’ll be the 4 weeks but it is possible for just a warning. If he can do a good job of blaming the office, maybe make it seem he was pressured.
Of course a conviction for a level 4 offence is going to hit the operators OCRS pretty hard and they may be in front of a TC as well. Could even provoke an onsite investigation and a report submitted to the TC.
Unfortunately falsification is a serious one, even though in this case it appears to be quite innocent and Dozy ‘just removed his card’. It’s deliberate falsification.
Yikes! 
Might be a good move for Dozy to use holidays for that period if it happens, otherwise it’s another £2000 out of pocket 
eagerbeaver:
shep532:
eagerbeaver:
What in your experience is the likely action from the TC Shep?The statutory document states 4 week suspension per offence for deliberate falsification up to 6 offences then 12 months. I’d suspect it’ll be the 4 weeks but it is possible for just a warning. If he can do a good job of blaming the office, maybe make it seem he was pressured.
Of course a conviction for a level 4 offence is going to hit the operators OCRS pretty hard and they may be in front of a TC as well. Could even provoke an onsite investigation and a report submitted to the TC.
Unfortunately falsification is a serious one, even though in this case it appears to be quite innocent and Dozy ‘just removed his card’. It’s deliberate falsification.
Yikes!
but will he still need to come in on his weekends off to wash the truck?
eagerbeaver:
shep532:
eagerbeaver:
What in your experience is the likely action from the TC Shep?The statutory document states 4 week suspension per offence for deliberate falsification up to 6 offences then 12 months. I’d suspect it’ll be the 4 weeks but it is possible for just a warning. If he can do a good job of blaming the office, maybe make it seem he was pressured.
Of course a conviction for a level 4 offence is going to hit the operators OCRS pretty hard and they may be in front of a TC as well. Could even provoke an onsite investigation and a report submitted to the TC.
Unfortunately falsification is a serious one, even though in this case it appears to be quite innocent and Dozy ‘just removed his card’. It’s deliberate falsification.
Yikes!
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I don’t think I’m going to have enough holidays as I think it will be 8 weeks not 4 if suspension is the route they ( tc ) chooses too take because even though the charge was 1x relating to driving with no card in there’s still the 15 mins short on daily rest , it never came up in court but unless there taking the hours parked up as pnishment enough
I’ve got too believe it will come and then surely it’s x2 charges , didn’t bother with a solicitor for court but now think it’s time too get one ,
Vosa bloke said why didn’t you just write on a printout 
never a truer word spoke this is turning into a nightmare , I’m off for a lie down , see you when I wake up from this ongoing nightmare
If Dozy had taken a screen shot and printed off some of his posts from here and showed the court those then I think that maybe he would have got off on a technicality.
It’s the driving with no card in that would catch the TC’s eye I reckon, falsification by action or omission etc…
Still confident a ticking off will suffice but this day and age who knows.
The protection writing on a printout gives should never be underestimated, course the reason needs to be valid but better an invalid reason than no reason at all and especially card removal.
Hope for the best, prepare for the worst, dance like nobodies watching, dive at 9 no ■■■■ to rough are my life mantras.
Dipper_Dave:
, dive at 9 no ■■■■ to rough are my life mantras.
Any hole is a goal.
Dipper_Dave:
It’s the driving with no card in that would catch the TC’s eye I reckon, falsification by action or omission etc…Still confident a ticking off will suffice but this day and age who knows.
The protection writing on a printout gives should never be underestimated, course the reason needs to be valid but better an invalid reason than no reason at all and especially card removal.
Hope for the best, prepare for the worst, dance like nobodies watching, dive at 9 no ■■■■ to rough are my life mantras.
The TC has published guidance they follow - Senior Traffic Commissioners Statutory Document No6, Vocational Driver Conduct. This is so that all TCs act fairly and we know what to expect.
I doubt it would be more than 4 weeks due to potential hardship and a fine has already been paid.
Of course catch them on a good day and maybe just a warning - I doubt it though, the offence was deliberate and no explanation is forthcoming, well, not one that is viable.
Of course there is a chance DVSA may not report it.
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Amazes me how much you’ve been fined. I never paid for TV licence once and I got took to court and kept in the cell for 4 hours. Got some nice grub and drinks then taken to a room to work out what’s what.
Then court and in box pleaded my innocence that I paid other bills and my ex paid the TV licence. My solicitor said the craziest thing ever…
He’s been kept in the cell for 4 hours and I work that out to being £50 an hour for his time so the £160 owed can be cleared using that.
Judged agreed and I was let go with no fine or anything.
Yet here is you fined for taking a ■■■■■■■ piece of plastic out a machine. ■■■■■■■ barmy.
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I think just saying it’s taking a bit of plastic out of s machine is playing it down a bit. Whilst in my opinion it didn’t need to go to court being his first offence, I think it’s still a bit more serious than just taking a bit of plastic out of a machine.
The thing to learn from this is never ever do it. Always do a print out and no matter how lame the excuse just put it on there. If it’s just a misjudgment put it on there rather than take card out. DVSA still won’t be happy but it will look better than taking the card out. Your more likely to get a fine there and then rather than go to court if you’ve made an attempt to record it and explain it.
Rowley010:
I think just saying it’s taking a bit of plastic out of s machine is playing it down a bit. Whilst in my opinion it didn’t need to go to court being his first offence, I think it’s still a bit more serious than just taking a bit of plastic out of a machine.The thing to learn from this is never ever do it. Always do a print out and no matter how lame the excuse just put it on there. If it’s just a misjudgment put it on there rather than take card out. DVSA still won’t be happy but it will look better than taking the card out. Your more likely to get a fine there and then rather than go to court if you’ve made an attempt to record it and explain it.
Your right rowley but is it any more a false record writing down any old lame excuse than pulling your card out, vosa officer said I should of wrote on printout reason going over hours was because of a fire on a13 , when in reality the reason I really went over my hours was because It took them all afternoon too tip me on a building site and even though x5 phone calls , x 5 texts , emails were sent too planners , depots etc no - one did zb all .
Fire cost me 5 mins at best so if I’d of put that as reason on printout I’d of in all probability got nothing , but it wouldn’t of been a lie , so s false record
Procecuting solicitor said to judges , he didn’t gain anything finically, he was only trying too get parked up , it was only mins yet the driver who goes over his time too get 1/2 hr farther up road and put any old crap x 2/4/5 times a month gets nothing because he wrote a load of rubbish on printout , not sure that’s how they intended the writing on a printout too work .
JaxDemon:
Amazes me how much you’ve been fined. I never paid for TV licence once and I got took to court and kept in the cell for 4 hours. Got some nice grub and drinks then taken to a room to work out what’s what.Then court and in box pleaded my innocence that I paid other bills and my ex paid the TV licence. My solicitor said the craziest thing ever…
He’s been kept in the cell for 4 hours and I work that out to being £50 an hour for his time so the £160 owed can be cleared using that.
Judged agreed and I was let go with no fine or anything.
Yet here is you fined for taking a [zb] piece of plastic out a machine. [zb] barmy.
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It’s a fair bit but the bulk of it was procecuting solicitors fees , and too be fair he did a bloody good job of defending me , no mass hysteria about he could of killed 100,s , needs too be locked up , just it was mins , never gained finically , informed company on various occasion but no one acted on it , he was just trying too get parked up , we’re just requesting a fine ( if I go before t/c I might ask him too represent me .
I’m more ■■■■■■ off that the people who had vosa bloke saying make sure it’s not just on your head , who had ops manager shaking his head at lack of action after seeing txt after txt / phone call after phone call , emails with only one reply being will ring them , hr saying ok I fully understand your frustration and can see it , I will speak too them about it .