Hello all.
Has anyone else delivered onto ransomes industrial estate in Ipswich recently? There is a parking company operating on there giving out fines of £250!!! Just for stopping for like 2 minutes! See notice my boss gave me. I’ve covered up some info of my vehicle and company for personal reasons.
The boss then tells me ive to pay. What a joke!! Has anyone else had one of these cos not sure if its a scam?
Plenty of estates have enforcement for not stopping and are usually well sign posted as such. Speke is one that comes to mind, of you stop you hear someone on a tannoy telling you to move or you will be fined. That is sign posted well so no excuses.
Assuming it is well posted that it is a no stopping enforced area then you have to chalk it up to experience and move on. You are the driver so you should know about it so yes you’d have to pay it. Why should the company pay it?
Unlucky but there you go.
I don’t agree with these schemes on industrial estates but their property their rules I’m afraid.
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Can’t really make the print out mate, but I’d be checking the authenticity and legality of this particular ■■■■ take before I went any further.
Incidentally why do you have to pay and not your firm, if you were delivering in that area, or was it prohibitive over night parking.
At the very least why is your firm not making enquiries rather than telling you just to pay it, they send a right bunch of ■■■■ s.
If it is genuine I’d be getting a solicitor on thei case,.and wishing on them a plague of fleas infesting their arse holes. 
Hope it works out ok for you,.and that you find it is in fact a scam.
You can of course try and fight it but would likely end up costing more to fight it.
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May be a scam morally but not legally
ipswichstar.co.uk/news/ange … ms-2746146
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robroy:
Can’t really make the print out mate, but I’d be checking the authenticity and legality of this particular ■■■■ take before I went any further.
Incidentally why do you have to pay and not your firm, if you were delivering in that area, or was it prohibitive over night parking.
At the very least why is your firm not making enquiries rather than telling you just to pay it, they send a right bunch of [zb] s.If it is genuine I’d be getting a solicitor on thei case,.and wishing on them a plague of fleas infesting their arse holes.
Hope it works out ok for you,.and that you find it is in fact a scam.
Where do you draw a line then Rob?
Speeding ticket then the company should pay.
Parking ticket company should pay?
The driver is responsible for where the truck stops not the employer. If as a driver you can’t deliver somewhere due to restrictions then don’t stop and don’t deliver and ring the office for advice and what to do.
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ferrymaster:
Hello all.
Has anyone else delivered onto ransomes industrial estate in Ipswich recently? There is a parking company operating on there giving out fines of £250!!! Just for stopping for like 2 minutes! See notice my boss gave me. I’ve covered up some info of my vehicle and company for personal reasons.
The boss then tells me ive to pay. What a joke!! Has anyone else had one of these cos not sure if its a scam?0
If you genuinely only stopped for 2 mins then appeal it with a print of your tacho showing the length of time you stopped and an explanation that you had to stop to check on a tyre that looked slightly dodgy in the mirror.
No court in the world would allow a fine to stand because you stopped for a safety concern!
My answer would be - its your truck, they sent it to you, it would be unlawful under data protection for you to give them my details (doesn’t matter if true), I broken no laws and thus…bye. Then walk out and get a job where they got some balls to stand up for the drivers.
Its different if you broke say a 7.5T, parked on double yellows overnight or similar but this is just taking the pee as its not council or police.
Its not a fine its an invoice.
I’d join and post on Pepipoo if i were you, they specialise in this type of thing and you will get the best advice there.
Personally as said if a genuine 2 minute stop for some valid reason then i’d fight this all the way.
in the first line it says TRESPASS which i am preety sure is unenforceable…
simcor:
robroy:
Can’t really make the print out mate, but I’d be checking the authenticity and legality of this particular ■■■■ take before I went any further.
Incidentally why do you have to pay and not your firm, if you were delivering in that area, or was it prohibitive over night parking.
At the very least why is your firm not making enquiries rather than telling you just to pay it, they send a right bunch of [zb] s.If it is genuine I’d be getting a solicitor on thei case,.and wishing on them a plague of fleas infesting their arse holes.
Hope it works out ok for you,.and that you find it is in fact a scam.Where do you draw a line then Rob?
Speeding ticket then the company should pay.
Parking ticket company should pay?
The driver is responsible for where the truck stops not the employer. If as a driver you can’t deliver somewhere due to restrictions then don’t stop and don’t deliver and ring the office for advice and what to do.
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Circumstances…
If he’s stopped for two minutes to check address on notes or map for instance, or something similar, the co should take it up and fight it legally, it does not matter a ■■■■ whether it’s their rules their property or not,.at best it’s unfair at worst it’s a complete profiteering ■■■■ take.
It’s an Ind est, ffs an area synonymous with trucks.
If parked overnight, and it clearly states no parking, or on yellow lines, then it’s a good argument for ot being the driver’s own fault.
If parking outside a delivery point where you are causing no real problems, and/'or your time is up,.a good argument for firm to pay.
Speeding? That is down to the driver. you take your own chances.
I take your point about ringing in, but some of us come from the use your own initiative generation,.although doing it your way does admittedly cover your arse in these circumstances.
■■■■■■■■ are…
Using a tried and tested formula. Appeal it on what ever grounds you think may win your case. You should still be able to apply the lower rate of £180 if the appeal fails (which it problaly will because the appeals board are part of the scam anyway). The best line of defense is concerned with the amount of ‘damages’ Pro Serve are claiming. In my opinion, it is clearly not a reasonable sum.
Of the two parking tickets I’ve got whilst driving a lorry, both were paid by the firm I was working for at the time. But, the amounts were considerably smaller.
They’ve been doing this for years.
youtube.com/watch?v=pQxxLXRPfeg
Have a look at PePIPoo.
simcor:
May be a scam morally but not legally
ipswichstar.co.uk/news/ange … ms-2746146Hi Simon,
After searching around on google, im still not sure if it’s authentic. there is even a piece where an MP for suffolk has criticised them in parliament for how they operated on felixstowe.theyworkforyou.com/debates/ … -11a.254.1
Looks like they are still doing it though. How have i trespassed though! It’s publicly accessible land and i was there delivering anyway. Some shabby looking dude in a van takes a polaroid of my truck and wants 250 quid of my hard earned! I am all for the parking being managed on industrial estates because it makes my like ‘slightly’ easier. But a brief 2 minute stop trying to get into a yard? Surely you can’t justify that.
I don’t justify it but if it’s sign posted well that it is no stopping there isn’t a lot you can do. Either try and fight it and hope you get the result you want or pay it and chalk it down to experience.
I always check for signs like that to avoid that situation even if it meant driving round in a loop till I could get in to the premises I want.
Sadly these ■■■■■ can do pretty much what they like with enforcement’s.
You have been given good advice on places to fight it, or take it directly with Proserve initially explaining how log you were stopped and why.
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They are no different to the fines levied by the supermarkets or Golden Arches for over staying. They have sometimes been successful at court by saying the person had 90-180mins free time there and they had exceeded that. At Ipswich, its basically stopping and get whacked with a fine. Not sure how they can claim a loss on income or trespass on that basis.
As others have said, look at the Pepico site and get some advise, in the first instance, most say to ignore it as it is an invoice rather than a penalty charge - one is asking for money the other is a legally enforceable one.
I go into the Ransoms estate a couple of times a week to a certain orange DIY store, the whole of the estate including the “Masterlord office village” area on central avenue is a no stopping/parking zone. Fortunately we are able to park/wait in the service yard behind Wrens/Halfrauds/carpetright etc while we queue up to access the store service yard as thats the only place they cant touch you. However I can almost guarantee that within minutes of me pulling into that yard and parking up, the old security guy will be round in his van, but he and I know that yard is the only place he cant touch me. But stopping anywhere even momentarily is going to cause you problems, and its very well signed.
If someone has been hit with a “parking fine” check out this FB group facebook.com/groups/fightyo … inginvoice run by an ex parking company employee
Juddian:
Its not a fine its an invoice.I’d join and post on Pepipoo if i were you, they specialise in this type of thing and you will get the best advice there.
Personally as said if a genuine 2 minute stop for some valid reason then i’d fight this all the way.
Do this ^^^^^
msgyorkie:
ferrymaster:
Hello all.
Has anyone else delivered onto ransomes industrial estate in Ipswich recently? There is a parking company operating on there giving out fines of £250!!! Just for stopping for like 2 minutes! See notice my boss gave me. I’ve covered up some info of my vehicle and company for personal reasons.
The boss then tells me ive to pay. What a joke!! Has anyone else had one of these cos not sure if its a scam?0If you genuinely only stopped for 2 mins then appeal it with a print of your tacho showing the length of time you stopped and an explanation that you had to stop to check on a tyre that looked slightly dodgy in the mirror.
No court in the world would allow a fine to stand because you stopped for a safety concern!
It’s not a fine…
yourhavingalarf:
[zb] are…Using a tried and tested formula. Appeal it on what ever grounds you think may win your case. You should still be able to apply the lower rate of £180 if the appeal fails (which it problaly will because the appeals board are part of the scam anyway). The best line of defense is concerned with the amount of ‘damages’ Pro Serve are claiming. In my opinion, it is clearly not a reasonable sum.
Of the two parking tickets I’ve got whilst driving a lorry, both were paid by the firm I was working for at the time. But, the amounts were considerably smaller.
They’ve been doing this for years.
youtube.com/watch?v=pQxxLXRPfeg
Have a look at PePIPoo.
I’d suggest it’s not only a reasonable sum - it is the actual amount that this trespass has cost the landowner. If you read the blurb on the document it clearly states that the £250 is the pre-agreed charge to the landowner by the parking enforcers - i.e. the fact that this lorry was stopped on that land (and photographed by the parking enforcers) has indeed resulted in the landowners suffering a loss of £250 as that’s what the enforcers charge them for taking the photo and processing the “ticket”.