Proper Newbie doubt

I drove 1hr to the warehouse and now waiting 30 minutes so the forkie can begin to unload my truck. How should I leave my tacho? Better if I leave it on rest?

Cheers guys

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You’re not working and you’re not resting. So I would say that’s poa.

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As you are not doing anything I.e. Just sitting about having a sandwich/■■■ you can put it as break (it’s up too you I probably would). If you are helping obviously other work would be the correct option

Well I’m glad the drivers CPC is proving worthwhile! :open_mouth:

If sat in the seat ■■■■■■■■■■■■ it’s ‘break’, if holding back the curtain pole so forkie doesn’t remodel it, it’s ‘other work’.

If the firm doesn’t insist on POA, then NEVER use it! :imp:
If they do, then learn the regs better…

If the question is actually about whether you can take another 30 min break as your REAL rest, you tell us?
Do you feel like you’ve been needed, or your boss is a ■■■■■■? :laughing:

Why not to use poa? He’s waiting for something to happen. He’s not resting. That’s classic poa. IMO

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The problem I found in having it as rest is that you set it in rest then in 20 minutes they will come to you and say they are done so you have to move the truck and messes up your rest.

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It’s only POA if you know in advance how long the wait is. If the forkie says it will be 30 mins then POA is an option. If the forkie says s/he’ll be with you soon as s/he can and it’s been 30 mins so far, it isn’t POA.

Luke81:
Why not to use poa? He’s waiting for something to happen. He’s not resting. That’s classic poa. IMO

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REST and BREAK are two different things

BREAK simply means time to catch your breath

POA has more rules attached to it than break

If not driving or doing other work then BREAK is usually the best option UNLESS the driver does not get paid for breaks

Use whatever fits into your schedule the best!

Luke81:
Why not to use poa? He’s waiting for something to happen. He’s not resting. That’s classic poa. IMO

As already said, POA needs to have it’s time frame defined in advance.
Also POA screws with the Tacho and can lead a Newbie into infringements…
So without going into detail (as a Newbie has enough on their plate) it’s easier for a Newbie to just avoid using it if they can.
I’m not saying it isn’t useful in certain circumstances, but it’s probably best to get used to the rules before using them to your advantage! :wink:

Luke81:
Why not to use poa? He’s waiting for something to happen. He’s not resting. That’s classic poa. IMO

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Depends, if he was told that the forkie would be half an hour prior, then yes POA is an option otherwise use other work. If he puts it to rest and the forkie comes back early it could screw the rest up.

If it was me would put it on break,As your waiting and not unloading or helping in any way.
POA can be used but as the OP it getting started (like we all had too ) POA can bite you on the bum when it clears your drive time.

By the book rest / break should only be used if you know that you’re not going to get disturbed. It is your time to do whatever you want with… In theory.

In the situation you’d described I’d be putting it into rest and hoping I could get at least a 15 out of it.

My only infringement ever was when I used POA as a standby driver. I had been kicking my heels for a few hours, then a job came up and I went out driving. I assumed the POA counted as rest, so I assumed my 6 hour WTD started counting from when I started working…wrong! I was told I had an infringement for breaching the 6 hour maximum work rule, because the time spent on POA wasn’t classified as resting or a break.

Apparently this is one of the most common infringements.

MSilvaBrazil:
The problem I found in having it as rest is that you set it in rest then in 20 minutes they will come to you and say they are done so you have to move the truck and messes up your rest.

I wouldn’t care if it was my first break of a 4.5 driving time or even to reset my WTD (15mins has still been clocked), if it was my second split then I would tell him to do one.

goshow:
By the book rest / break should only be used if you know that you’re not going to get disturbed. It is your time to do whatever you want with… In theory.

In the situation you’d described I’d be putting it into rest and hoping I could get at least a 15 out of it.

Wrong. The requirement to be “free to dispose of your time” only applies to daily/weekly Rest - There is no such requirement for a Break. Neither is there any requirement to know that you won’t be disturbed.

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If you’re so new to HGV driving you don’t know what tachograph mode to use while sat waiting to be loaded/unloaded there’s no way you should mess with POA.

Use break, if for any reason you don’t want to use break use other work, don’t use POA until you understand how it can screw up your day.

As Roymondo said there’s no requirement to know you won’t be disturbed to use break, nor do you have to be able to do whatever you want, the only requirement for break is that you can spend the time exclusively for recuperation.