hmmm… 
bash the tipper again
Mal:
sim’s metals, what a dog hole that is! we used to load 20ft’ers in there and got punctures galore because the [zb] wouldnt sweep the yard! or if they did sweep it, a loading shovel would soon run about spilling stuff all over the place, if he didnt get ya, the pools of water with steel frag in would!
I do the 20’ boxes also Mal,went in with a 40’ yesterday,and yes it is a dog hole but i can think of stronger words 
This is uncanny coz i was going to start a thread myself tonight when i finished work and it was about poxy tipper drivers…
Im sorry that there is the rare and i do mean RARE few tipper drivers on here that maybe do act proffesional and you probably are feeling a bit victimised at the moment …but…
As i now work nights doing the runouts and loading and the odd out of hours local collections i also have to drive 7.5t 17t and even vans at times too
So there i am going along a duel this afternoon in a 17 tonner and along come 3 tippers hitting around 60mph 1st one passes i flash him in … nothing no indicators at all he just pulls in… obviously im not worthy of a thankyou flash (coz i only got a 4 legger not a 8 legger)…
then number 2 tipper wagon passes i again flash him in … this one indicates in …but doesnt thank flash… ok 3rd time lucky maybe as number 3 passes i again dutifully flash him in… and he repeats the 1st tipper…nothing…
So stuff you all then me thinks i’ll not bother again… So anyway we start climbing a steady and long bank and as im empty i gain on them and am soon pulling out to overtake the 1st one i get past him no prob and the second one too and im soon two thirds past the third one when low and behold …the climb starts to level out a bit …im almost past him now by this point and my hand reaches for the indicator and im looking in my mirror just about ready to pull back in and…
he starts thundering back up the inside of me grinning…yes the ■■■■■■■ was actually grinning… as the back of his wagon draws level with the front of my wagon his mate number2 closes the gap on number 1 so i cant pull in between them… now by this time ive got quite a stream of traffic built up behind me… so number 2 thunders past me on the inside… again i look to pull in behind him but no number 3 joins in the little boys game and fires up the inside too…the car driver behind me is getting really ■■■■■■ off with me flashing his lights and everything… so what does number 3 tipper do …the ■■■■ eases off and stays level with me while his 2 mates stroll off into the distance … im on the limiter this whole time i should add… so now i drop off coz i really have occupied this lane for far to long but as i eased off so did the tipper driver…ffs just let me pull in will you…but now im down to 45ish and he is still beside me… the cars behind me must be having fits by now… i get down to 40 with indicator on now for a good while and tipper ■■■ decides he’s had enough fun drops a cog and thunders off and now i can pull in… so now the cars start going past me beeping at me flicking the bird at me doing the hand up and down motion simulating a certain solo act at me and i am ruddy livid majorly stressed and why…i mean really …WHY!!!..
So please forgive me if i dont sign up to the tipper drivers fan club… 
You should have started moving over on the first one , sure as ■■■■ it he /she wouldn’t want a 17t in the cab . I know i do if i get a ■■■■ like that and i,m ready to come back in .
Sure it piddle’s them off , but so what …If they can not act considerably then why should you ?
I had a similar incident on the A40 heading back towards the 50 . Overtaking another arctic on the level , came to one of the monstrous decline’s as i was almost past him. ■■■ started pileing back down the inside at a rapid rate and carried on until my cab was level with his rear door’s . Buy oh what’s this ,oh look it’s a steep hill and i,m empty , and oh your loaded , look i,m steaming back again .
Drew level gave the horn a blast to catch his attention so i could gesture my sentiment’s toward’s him , he didn’t look though he must have signed for his blinker’s before he left the yard .
Wed Morning A1 North Bound just about Mile South of Catterick, theres a bit of a Hill, I was following one of J Wards Artic Tippers from Leeming, pulled out to pass and low and behold he decides to keep me out as I still had about 3 or 4 foot to clear him as we went over the brow, Luckily he decided to drop back as we got about 3\4 a mile past the 1st Catterick Camp Exit, thats about 1 1\2 miles he kept me out there, I honestly thought to myself, OK mate wait for the hill climbing up to Scotch Corner, I’ll pass, get in front and slow you down to 30mph and leave you struggling on the hill, I was that [zb] off with him. I was running a new empty trailer back to Gateshead so there was no weight at all to hold me back.
Childish I know, but a sense of satisfaction is a strange thing 
And maybe, just maybe he would think twice about the consequences next time he wants to play games 
It really pees me off when all the other Driver has to do is ease off for a few seconds as your almost passed them anyway, I can understand it on an upward Hill but on the Flat or Down Hill there’s no excuse.
agree totally with all the sentiments about knobs undertaking but…
going down the m5 yesterday i backed off to let one wagon ,who was struggling to overtake past , but because id slowed down the wagon behind me (following far too close) puled out to overtake and so did his pal behind him even though previousley wed all been doing the same speed
theproblem i then had was how long do i keep backing off for ,the drivers behind dont knowi just backed off a little they think im just a slow wagon and want to overtake ,naturally.
so what do you do?
mezzzz1211:
hmmm…
I was wondering if you’d see this, mezzz!! Stereotyping means you must be a bad driver!!
gav:
It annoys the crap out of me when people tar me with “the tipper driver brush” and think just because our wagons are sometimes crap that everything about us and our job is to. well sorry to burst your bubble but I drive a 54 plate scania (top spec for a day cab) take home £450 a week yes take home, start at 7 finish at 4.30, so carry on tarring and ill keep taking the money (wheres theres muck theres money).
RANT OVERoh and before anybody says anything, every single driver at ours(15 of them) all have davey hour gaurds so we keep within the law
With a cushy number like that Gav, there might be a lot of jealousy floating around this thread…
Tagoat:
Stereotypical or not … I don’t care how you get paid, or on what basis…
So stereotypical or not, they all get a slagging, eh?? 
Reef:
So there i am going along a duel this afternoon in a 17 tonner and along come 3 tippers hitting around 60mph 1st one passes i flash him in … nothing no indicators at all he just pulls in… obviously im not worthy of a thankyou flash (coz i only got a 4 legger not a 8 legger)…
Almost drifting off-topic (maybe should be a new post) but why would you flash-in a short vehicle, especially if it had just ‘thundered’ past you? I really don’t see the need for it and am amazed to see some people flash in even small vans once they’ve passed!!
If a driver of a short (overtaking) vehicle can’t tell when he is passed then he shouldn’t be behind the wheel! Even when one longer (artic) vehicle passes another and the speed diference is not so similar, why is there a need to flash him in??
I think this mentality of ‘flash you in - wow, what a pretty display of left-left-right-right-left-left, thanks good trucker buddy “One for all and all for one!!” matey!’ is just crap and counter productive to good driving skills and road safety. It’s this that encourages some of those ******* sad car drivers who drive at 55mph to play at ‘flash the trucker’ game.
That’s before I get on about those that do overtake and then sit there with their indicator on, looking in their miror, and when they don’t get a flash they just move over anyway!!! (Obviously didn’t need the flash anyway!) Ever heard of 'safe braking distances, enforced tailgating, driving with due care and attention etc etc??
Quite a rant for a Saturday morning and I didn’t even get out of bed on the wrong side!
stronger words are needed for that dump yes bikemonkey! but the sensor would ■■■■ them out! i got a valve head in a super single there once and blocked their weighbridge till theyd pay, they didnt, but i thought it worth a try!
aint you lot watched hell drivers? the lads are just doing their job in the traditional manner!
just to add to the posts about tippers, last week on the a1 going to immingham, i was overtaking a tipper driver on the flat, my cab was just in front of him when he speeded up, ignorant git i thought, then he drew level & started parping(love that word) on his air horns & pointing down. pulled over to find my tool box had opened, dunno how luckily nothing had fallen out onto the road (full of pipe fittings, could have been nasty). anyway, this was in the pitch black with a black tool box so thankyou to the tipper driver, theyre not all bad.
Can we start on reefer drivers now please
tipper driver caused chaos at huntingdon last week…tuesday i think when his trailer fell off the back of the unit. couldn’t have been going that fast though his airlines were still attatched even if his trailer legs wern’t .
jon
Mal:
aint you lot watched hell drivers? the lads are just doing their job in the traditional manner!
Was that actually a film or just an industry training video?
Over the past few weeks doing the Hatfield trunk i have noticed that when vehicles overtake you, there are of course a few foreign artics that pull in brushing your wiper blades. But the majority that do it seem to be 4 axle tippers. Just an observation.
marcustandy:
[Almost drifting off-topic (maybe should be a new post) but why would you flash-in a short vehicle, especially if it had just ‘thundered’ past you? I really don’t see the need for it and am amazed to see some people flash in even small vans once they’ve passed!!If a driver of a short (overtaking) vehicle can’t tell when he is passed then he shouldn’t be behind the wheel! Even when one longer (artic) vehicle passes another and the speed diference is not so similar, why is there a need to flash him in??
I think this mentality of ‘flash you in - wow, what a pretty display of left-left-right-right-left-left, thanks good trucker buddy “One for all and all for one!!” matey!’ is just crap and counter productive to good driving skills and road safety. It’s this that encourages some of those ******* sad car drivers who drive at 55mph to play at ‘flash the trucker’ game.
That’s before I get on about those that do overtake and then sit there with their indicator on, looking in their miror, and when they don’t get a flash they just move over anyway!!! (Obviously didn’t need the flash anyway!) Ever heard of 'safe braking distances, enforced tailgating, driving with due care and attention etc etc??
Quite a rant for a Saturday morning and I didn’t even get out of bed on the wrong side!
Common curtousy between fellow drivers … its a bad thing now then is it?
maybe we should all take a leaf out of america’s book and start carrying guns and shoot the next poor ■■■■ that wishes to be flashed in…glad i dont drive in yorkshire much if thats your attitude
Reef:
marcustandy:
[Almost drifting off-topic (maybe should be a new post) but why would you flash-in a short vehicle, especially if it had just ‘thundered’ past you? I really don’t see the need for it and am amazed to see some people flash in even small vans once they’ve passed!!If a driver of a short (overtaking) vehicle can’t tell when he is passed then he shouldn’t be behind the wheel! Even when one longer (artic) vehicle passes another and the speed diference is not so similar, why is there a need to flash him in??
I think this mentality of ‘flash you in - wow, what a pretty display of left-left-right-right-left-left, thanks good trucker buddy “One for all and all for one!!” matey!’ is just crap and counter productive to good driving skills and road safety. It’s this that encourages some of those ******* sad car drivers who drive at 55mph to play at ‘flash the trucker’ game.
That’s before I get on about those that do overtake and then sit there with their indicator on, looking in their miror, and when they don’t get a flash they just move over anyway!!! (Obviously didn’t need the flash anyway!) Ever heard of 'safe braking distances, enforced tailgating, driving with due care and attention etc etc??
Quite a rant for a Saturday morning and I didn’t even get out of bed on the wrong side!
Common curtousy between fellow drivers … its a bad thing now then is it?
maybe we should all take a leaf out of america’s book and start carrying guns and shoot the next poor [zb] that wishes to be flashed in…glad i dont drive in yorkshire much if thats your attitude
Agreed Reef,nothing like a bit of courtesy in this country of pig headed rude ■■■■■,with this aint my problem,■■■■ em.im more important(ignorant)than anyone else.
It gets a bit tricky seeing if your past someone,when its pitch black and ■■■■■■■ it down with rain,and the bloke your overtaking decides to speed up,so whats the hardship of flashing someone in■■?
there is’nt
All this crap about "should’nt be driving a wagon if you cant see if your past someone"is utter rubbish,i’d rather flash someone in than let them knock me off the road 
Reef:
Common curtousy between fellow drivers …
But ‘common courtesy’ applies to actions that reflect a pleasant attitude and politeness. I am one of those people that usually holds the door open for others, I make a point of saying ‘please & thankyou’ and will quite happily engage in polite chit-chat and conversation with fellow drivers…
Reef:
its a bad thing now then is it?
…however, it is a bad thing (flashing-in) if it is counterproductive to a good standard of driving and road safety. I say again, if you do not feel able to judge the safe distance required to pull in after an overtaking manoeuvre, despite how dark or heavy it is raining, then you need to look inwardly with a critical eye. Our foreign counterparts seem to have managed quite well without resorting to this flashing-in mentality.
The Highway Code quite clearly explains the only times that flashing the headlights is acceptable;
90: Flashing headlights. Only flash your headlights to let other road users know that you are there. Do not flash your headlights in an attempt to intimidate other road users.
91: If another driver flashes his headlights never assume that it is a signal to go. Use your own judgement and proceed carefully.
Reef:
maybe we should all take a leaf out of america’s book and start carrying guns
…and the relevance of this is what, exactly? 
Reef:
glad i dont drive in yorkshire much if thats your attitude
…and maybe that is making it a much safer place, free from the ‘flashers-in’!!
bikemonkey:
Agreed Reef,nothing like a bit of courtesy in this country of pig headed rude [zb],with this aint my problem,[zb] em.im more important(ignorant)than anyone else.
Not applicable in this case; see above post.
bikemonkey:
It gets a bit tricky seeing if your past someone,when its pitch black and [zb] it down with rain,
Mmmm, see above post.
bikemonkey:
so whats the hardship of flashing someone in■■?
there is’nt
See the link to the Highway Code, and while you’re there it might be pertinent to have another read through the rest of it, just to refresh your memory!!
bikemonkey:
All this crap about "should’nt be driving a wagon if you cant see if your past someone"is utter rubbish,i’d rather flash someone in than let them knock me off the road
Remember that pedal in the middle?? It’s the one that slows you down and could prove quite useful in the type of situation you mention…or maybe braking is not an option; keeping up the momentumn is more important…and so we’ve come full circle…
Davey Driver:
It really pees me off when all the other Driver has to do is ease off for a few seconds
Are you a tipper driver by any chance, bikermonkey??
Just out of interest, where do tipper drivers come in the hierarchy of truck driving? A list would be nice 
Obviously perfect artic drivers are top & tippers somewhere near the bottom but a full breakdown would be useful.
marcustandy:
[Are you a tipper driver by any chance, bikermonkey??
Containers Mr Tandy
I always ease of when i see someone struggling to overtake and flash em in also,When I started driving wagons,Id overtake and someone would flash me in,I did’nt ask them to they just did,99% of the time (id say)i could get myself back in lane 1 without the need to be flashed,but 99% (id say) of others,flash me in,so i also have joined the flashing fraternity and return the favour,and find that (id say)99% of people thank me for it with the flashing of their indicators in various different sequential ways
Percentages given are a rough reflection and maybe are not 100% precise so allow a margin of error before correcting me in a later post
…however, it is a bad thing (flashing-in) if it is counterproductive to a good standard of driving and road safety. I say again, if you do not feel able to judge the safe distance required to pull in after an overtaking manoeuvre, despite how dark or heavy it is raining, then you need to look inwardly with a critical eye
If i may comment on that remark,
I was “taught” to do the job long before i could drive, maybe from the age of 13 upwards, riding as passenger with the old school drivers that worked in my Dad’s little fleet. These guys could do the job inside out & upside down, maybe only as good as you can, but I fail to see that anybody could be any better.
Strangely enough, EVERY one i ever rode with & later drove with would use the flash as a sign of clearance & rarely pull in early unless they were flashed.
I’m not knocking anyone, but please don’t knock the guys that were brought up with this, it’s a tradition amongst UK drivers & I bet the old school on here ALL did it & still do if they are still driving.
If you REALLY think you’re so much better than those guys, please feel free to tell us all.
Personally, I know perfectly well when I’m past someone, but I also know that we all have a different perception of what is a safe gap between two trucks. Consequently, I will put my indicator on once I know I am past, then wait a respectable amount of time for a flash before pulling across. If it becomes obvious that no flash will be forthcoming, then in I come, but at least this gives the guy behind an opportunity to say when he is happy with the distance between.
When I am being overtaken, however, I only flash people in if I want them to come in. An awful lot of drivers don’t leave a gap with which I feel comfortably, consequently they are already in before I have reached the point at which I would flash.
I also rarely flash rigids or smaller, unless they are obviously struggling to get past (not sure why, to be honest, just don’t), and never both flashing anyone who is obviously going far faster than I am.
Now, to my mind, all the above is simple courtesy.