Since the law changed, to move the goalposts, to allow VOSA to nick you retrospectively 
…has the rule changed also for how long you keep your printouts with you,.the ones to explain why you ■■■■ up on your times.
Think it was 28 days…has it changed?
(Yeh, I know, …dcpc/should know/ that’s what it’s for/not a professional…etc etc …don’t even bother. )
I’m asking because I have some going back over a year.
Cheers.
Still 28 days though not a great hardship to hang onto them longer. I actually staple them to relevant page in my diary
switchlogic:
Still 28 days though not a great hardship to hang onto them longer. I actually staple them to relevant page in my diary
Cheers Luke, yeh I also do that.
I normally do 2, one for me one for office.
Just did not want to keep something potentially incriminating (however small) for any longer than I needed to,.that was all.
■■■■ printouts
Oh for the glory days of “frisbees” eh lads ?
Technology ■■■■■ sometimes
robroy:
Since the law changed, to move the goalposts, to allow VOSA to nick you retrospectively
Think it was 28 days…has it changed?(Yeh, I know, …dcpc/should know/ that’s what it’s for/not a professional…etc etc …don’t even bother.
I’m asking because I have some going back over a year.
Cheers.
I thought they could only do you for infringements within the last 28 days? If that’s the case, it doesn’t matter. If it’s longer, I’ll be going through my diary and tidying up all those printouts. No point incriminating myself!
Bit different from trucking I know but records here have to be kept for a minimum of 3 years as classed as legal documents. wot a load of ■■■■■■■■ …
Captain Caveman 76:
robroy:
Since the law changed, to move the goalposts, to allow VOSA to nick you retrospectively
Think it was 28 days…has it changed?(Yeh, I know, …dcpc/should know/ that’s what it’s for/not a professional…etc etc …don’t even bother.
I’m asking because I have some going back over a year.
Cheers.I thought they could only do you for infringements within the last 28 days? If that’s the case, it doesn’t matter. If it’s longer, I’ll be going through my diary and tidying up all those printouts. No point incriminating myself!
I don’t really know mate tbh, it’s just that I remember reading somewhere (could have been on here) that now they can, and will, do you from a longer period back.
Any excuse eh?
My understanding of this (which I’ll freely admit could well be wrong) is that the driver has to keep 28 days records, but the company has to keep 12 months of records.
I believe that if VOSA feel the need to visit the company and go back through all the records then they can prosecute for hours offences as far back as those records are present, therefore if you have printouts for yourself where you’ve made an infringement then I would be keeping them permanently in my diary as an aide de memoire just in case your company ever gets ‘the visit’ and you’re invited to offer an explanation.
Again, I’m out of the loop these days, but it used to be the case that VOSA, or foreign equivalents always used the info direct from your driver card, so they should never be looking in your own private diary.
If you get stopped at a road-side check point the DVSA should only be checking legally required printouts for the past 28 days.
If you want to keep them longer and you keep them pinned to the relevant page of a diary you could always use an elastic band to keep all the pages prior to the past 28 days together, fold the printouts so they cannot be seen when the diary pages are closed and the DVSA would have no reason or right to take the elastic band off to check back further than 28 days.
tachograph:
If you get stopped at a road-side check point the DVSA should only be checking legally required printouts for the past 28 days.If you want to keep them longer and you keep them pinned to the relevant page of a diary you could always use an elastic band to keep all the pages prior to the past 28 days together, fold the printouts so they cannot be seen when the diary pages are closed and the DVSA would have no reason or right to take the elastic band off to check back further than 28 days.
Ok, so the 28 day keep rule hasn’t changed after all.
Cheers for that mate.
tachograph:
If you get stopped at a road-side check point the DVSA should only be checking legally required printouts for the past 28 days.If you want to keep them longer and you keep them pinned to the relevant page of a diary you could always use an elastic band to keep all the pages prior to the past 28 days together, fold the printouts so they cannot be seen when the diary pages are closed and the DVSA would have no reason or right to take the elastic band off to check back further than 28 days.
And why would you give him your diary in the first place
People who have never even been stopped are running scared of the DVSA
nightline:
tachograph:
If you get stopped at a road-side check point the DVSA should only be checking legally required printouts for the past 28 days.If you want to keep them longer and you keep them pinned to the relevant page of a diary you could always use an elastic band to keep all the pages prior to the past 28 days together, fold the printouts so they cannot be seen when the diary pages are closed and the DVSA would have no reason or right to take the elastic band off to check back further than 28 days.
And why would you give him your diary in the first place
People who have never even been stopped are running scared of the DVSA
If I had printouts stapled to pages in a diary I’d probably just hand the diary to the DVSA bod rather than tear them out, but maybe that’s just me I’ve no idea.
I’ve no idea who you think is running scared of the DVSA or who you think has never been stopped by them, personally I’ve been stopped by them 3 times in recent years and never had a problem with them, I don’t see anyone running scared of them I just see people asking questions to cover their own arses.
But I suppose you will see people running scared of the DVSA if that’s what you choose to see 
have done many printouts just to check stuff. binned them all and never had a problem with vosa and have had a few tugs over the years. infringment printouts i have kept for the required 28 days then binned them aswell.
Dont have that bother now im retired
Surely you’d hand over your digit card and they’d be able to download all the information from it there and then. I’m sure they’ve got equipment which could read far more information from the card than your printout can show and it holds how many days worth??
Air start:
Surely you’d hand over your digit card and they’d be able to download all the information from it there and then. I’m sure they’ve got equipment which could read far more information from the card than your printout can show and it holds how many days worth??
If you deviate from the regulations because of unforeseen circumstances you’re legally obliged to do a printout and write an explanation on it, you need to carry these printouts with you for at-least 28 days.
You’re legally obliged to hand these legally required printouts to the transport operator within 42 days, a lot of drivers do 2 printouts and keep one for their own records, that way they can hand one in when the card is downloaded even if it’s before the 28 days is up.
A driver card will usually hold several months worth of data.
My understanding of what’s changed, is that Dvsa could only give you (or any driver) a fixed penalty for that on going offences, anything historical required court action, they now can give a fixed penalty for more historic offences, but I don’t think they’d be able to do you for more than 28 days at the roadside as that’s all you’re legally supposed to have. Anything further back would require a visit to the operator, of course this might be on the back of information gathered at a roadside check.