Juddian:
Carryfast:
FarnboroughBoy11:
Whats wrong with him shooting a few terrorists?? Maybe I won’t be blown up when I’m getting off the tube in Stockwell this weekend now.
No that’s got more to do with immigration policy and no Apache gunship shooting Taliban in Afghan is going to make anyone safer here.Probably the opposite. 
Sod me CF, you’re one of the few who can see the wood for the trees.
Couldn’t pop down to Downing St and put them right could ya?, maybe explain to them that bombing three sheets out of half the Middle East whilst simultaneously inviting hundreds of thousands of their kith and kin to live here in enclaves might partly explain why we have a terrorist problem.
One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter, funny how when the CIA arm them they’re decent stick’s fighting for a just cause against dictators or evil regimes, the instant policy changes and the goal posts shift they’re insurgents overnight.
Presumably the gung ho’s here would be quite happy if a heavily armed force invaded our country and wouldn’t try to force them out?, its no different for the man in the street in Iraq, Afghan or anywhere else in the world.
I’ll add here before someone busts a vein that our lads and girls doing the warmonger bidding of bloody politicians have my support, the [zb] who lead from the back and send them for dubious reasons do not have my support.
I agree with most of that especially the first paragraph which is spot on.
The only difference is that the point I’m making is that I can see the logic in destroying the enemy in his own lair ( if we need to ) and Iraq was probably one of those cases like Afghan.But any strategist with even the slightest level of intelligence should be able to see that the threat in this case is mostly caused by an absolutely bonkers immigration policy that has put the country at massive risk of attack,by the same enemy that they are trying to deal with in places like Afghan,that the government has invited to live amongst us.
In this case it seems to be a totally confused zb up in which the democratic majority view amongst the Muslim states and their ex pat populations living in the west is one of hostility because they don’t agree with our culture.Mixed in with that seems to be the fact that the western governments have got their heads in the sand by believing that those states can be controlled by putting puppet governments who are sympathetic to the west into power together with a bs policy of trying to win hearts and minds amongst the general muslim population in places like Afghan,Pakistan,Iran,and Saudi etc.I think what I’m saying is that we need a much more hard line approach to the problem of the Islamist threat like the Israeli one not the bs one which Obama and the wimp British government seems to be taking.
The fact is you can bet that the Israeli population wouldn’t stand for a policy,of allowing the situation,which we’ve got,of an open door immigration policy,which has caused a bigger threat from an enemy which intends to destroy us,within our own borders,while at the same time we’ve sent our forces to fight that same threat and enemy far away from our own borders. 
Logic says the way to deal with the problem is to remove the threat from within our own borders first by deporting those who support it and/or who are suspected of supporting it ( which would obviously mean most of the Muslim population ) back to their countries of origin and if the threat continues after that then deal with it strategically.Not on the bs basis of troops on the ground in a war of attrition against irregular forces and by trying to win the hearts and minds etc etc of a hostile culture and of a type which has already been shown not to work in the case of the Vietnam War.
On that basis we wouldn’t have the luxury of sorting out the few good Muslims from the bad ones and it’s my bet that it would be that type of massive shift in attitude by the Western powers,towards the Muslim threat,that would probably scare the zb’s sufficiently for them to give up the idea of expanding their Islamist cause beyond their own borders.At which point then maybe it would then be up to us to decide what the motives of our own governments are assuming they don’t want to call it a day at that point too.Because it seems obvious that maybe there’s at least a suspicion of the West being on a Communist type mission impossible of the worldwide integration,of different ethnic groups and cultures and civilisation of the natives in the Muslim world being part of that,so far.
