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Truckulent:

monarch of the highway:
Good on you for being open and honest and good luck wiv your driving career
As for those that are slating him for working for free I’d say look at the bigger picture and the bloke needed experience and training which is what he got as I c it
He wasn’t asked to take a truck out on his own all week work max hours and not get paid
So if you was an employer would you pay a days wage to a fully qualified driver who was working and then a days wage to a newbie sat next to him gaining Experiance I don’t think you would
Because the bloke agreed to undertake the training free of charge he’s now secured a full time job with that company so really he didn’t do it for free did he because he’s now getting a regular wage from the firm

No, I’d pay him a fee for doing it. Not as much as the main driver, but still pay him… Or, as I’ve pointed out umpteen times, I’d have a contract that ensured he stayed with me a while before he could leave. It really isn’t that difficult to grasp!

This thread shows just what a long way some truck drivers need to go before any respect will be shown to them by a lot of employers. Christ, most drivers don’t even respect themselves. :unamused:

Well fellas as they say, you can’t educate pork… :laughing:

Good luck to the OP, I hope he enjoys his job. I’m sure the firm will find countless ways to exploit him again in the future. :grimacing:

I think you’ll find anything like that in a contract is very hard to enforce, been tried many times by many firms and not stood up.

I do agree with you on the free working, but only partly. If this was in fridges, boxes or tautliners, then you are right, because lets face it any monkey can go straight out on those. But were talking about a specialised sector here, steel and oversized loads are not easy by any stretch, as many have found out to their ultimate cost.

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Bore of the year? Wanting to be paid to work instead of doing it for nowt?

Sorry fella. Try the thread with hundreds of pages of pictures of waggons. After all, we’ve never seen a waggon before have we?

Now that’s boring. :grimacing:

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Oh look this thread has degenerated in to an I wouldn’t work for free rant which as usual is totally missing the point that the bloke was newly passed & needed to be shown the ropes before being let out on his own with steel so he didn’t kill himself or anyone else.

Ignore the above & just come back with a load of I’d die before doing a weeks unpaid training to get a job.

Painful .com

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JFC999:
Fair play to you Sid , there are plenty on here who will berate you for doing unpaid " training " but it obviously served your purpose and your mates !
Jim

Depends on circumstances…but I would see it as ‘taster days’, two-way process, to see if they liked me & I liked the job■■? It could be a winner - providing I’d nowt better to do & it was kept to a reasonable amount of taster days - especially if it’s a way in to a company!!

Sometimes you gotta play the long game.

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Does Mally still work in the office at Potto?

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2 pages of this is repeat quoting :unamused: far worse crime than working free for 6 months :wink: :smiling_imp:

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Wildy:
Does Mally still work in the office at Potto?

mally hardcastle was the best planner i ever worked for he,s well retired, do you mean mally lonsdale, i think he,s still there in some capacity but he must be getting on now

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chaversdad:

Wildy:
Does Mally still work in the office at Potto?

mally hardcastle was the best planner i ever worked for he,s well retired, do you mean mally lonsdale, i think he,s still there in some capacity but he must be getting on now

Not sure, he was there around 2001. Into his gun dogs.

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stevieboy308:

Truckulent:

stevieboy308:

Truckulent:

gickniff:

Truckulent:

Synthetic_sid:
i was a chef at the time,so i worked for them on mondays and tuesdays on my days off for like 4 weeks,the lad i trained for class 1 with also works for them,
he was unemployed at the time and he did monday to friday for a week.
it is a full working day i guess but really your just out with a day man who is showing you the ropes,so your not really doing a great deal of “work”
i viewed it as more like free training and was pretty happy to do it tbh :smiley:

Well done Sid…

You just proved to the management you’re the sort of bloke that doesn’t expect to be paid for working…

If there were enough blokes like you, hauliers could get away with having half the workforce on no pay at all…!!

Bollox! The lad has shown he’s interested enough to put him self out for a few days and Preston’s take a bit of a risk setting someone who appears to have no previous experience with the haulage industry like some of us,eg warehousing, mechanics etc , so putting yourself out for a short time can pay dividends as it has for this lad!

Yep. A dividend of £6.71/hour.

Fine. If you think working for free is OK. I don’t. Never have, and what’s more wouldn’t work for any company that expected me to. I wouldn’t expect anyone to work for free. Why should they?

No wonder haulage wages are so poor when half the drivers on here think working for free is fine. After all, with a rate of £6.71/hour to look forward to afterwards, what’s not to like?? :unamused: :unamused: :unamused:

See BJD’s post above to see how it should be done. :sunglasses:

now are you just really trying to be silly? or are you that silly? whilst not mega $$ sid clearly stated it is £7.25 for the first 45 hours :wink:

Not mega money? I’ve a 18 year old nephew that earns more than that!

My apologies - I’m sure the extra 54p an hour would make all the difference another £20-£30 a week fabulous… :laughing:

This isn’t about the pay (although it’s [zb]). It’s about not working for free and you’re missing the point. But I suspect you always will so I won’t waste my time saying it again!

With regard to a grand a week. Yes it can be done. Not every week perhaps but especially in the run up to Xmas, it would be fairly easy to make that if you put a full week in. Not on £7.25 per hour you wouldn’t of course.

(cue all the disbelief and derision 'cos peeps can’t believe anyone can earn more than £7/hour :laughing: )

if you want to take the ■■■■ out of the money, then at least take the ■■■■ out of the right amount, to take the ■■■■ like you did when you’d been told the current rates, makes you look silly :laughing: :wink:

it’s irrelevant what your nephew earns, or your great uncle fred for that matter :laughing: but what did he have for his tea? i’m looking for ideas for something new tomorrow night :laughing: :laughing:

dude, seriously i’m not missing your point :laughing: :laughing: i just don’t agree with it, as i think you’re twisting what went on here a bit. i’m not saying all training should be unpaid, i’m not saying people should work for free. but for a newby with no track record, who might be struggling to get a start, i think it’ll do them more good than harm. they could always pay a training company to learn the skills, but why would you when you can get it for free with a foot in the door to boot? plenty of people doing far more fancy jobs than piloting a truck, have done unpaid work placements.

don’t you worry fella, i’ve had my fair share of grand+ weeks :wink:

Common sense prevails ^+1

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Wildy:

chaversdad:

Wildy:
Does Mally still work in the office at Potto?

mally hardcastle was the best planner i ever worked for he,s well retired, do you mean mally lonsdale, i think he,s still there in some capacity but he must be getting on now

Not sure, he was there around 2001. Into his gun dogs.

Mally lonsdale, he was like the general manager of the transport, he was still there last i heard but as i say he must be a good age now, i left in 2000 so you must have just started after me

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I think it’s clear then. If you’re asked to work for free, then you should do it. You have got a cheek expecting a bit of money in exchange for the £2-£3K you spent on your licence and all the associated training involved.

Can I ask all you guys at what point you’d expect paying then? Let’s say the firm ask you to do a month’s work, or two month’s work ‘training’. Would you still do it for free? After all they are being so good to you offering you that chance aren’t they?

Is that acceptable too? At what point would it dawn on you you’re being ■■■■■■ over? :smiley:

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Truckulent you are a tool! Get a grip MUPPET.

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so you spend 2-3k on training? and you cannot get a start in the career cos of no experience, so it seems that the majority on here will give up a couple of days in exchange for some experience… say £10 an hour x 20 hours £200

think i would prefer to loose the £200 then the whole lot…

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If the post was read correctly the OP was still working in his old job as a chef and took up the offer of the few days training before taking up the job, he was earning and could I suspect afford to do the training days being offered, either that or not get the job he wants.
So why give up a month or two with no payment, its a daft statement?

Some people on here just have no idea what its like these days to change careers, you get what you give.

Take the rose tinted glasses off its tough out there to get what you want.

Truckulent, I hope for your own sake your career goes well as your attitude will not bode well with other employers.

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Drift:
If the post was read correctly the OP was still working in his old job as a chef and took up the offer of the few days training before taking up the job, he was earning and could I suspect afford to do the training days being offered, either that or not get the job he wants.
So why give up a month or two with no payment, its a daft statement?

Some people on here just have no idea what its like these days to change careers, you get what you give.

Take the rose tinted glasses off its tough out there to get what you want.

Truckulent, I hope for your own sake your career goes well as your attitude will not bode well with other employers.

Don’t worry about me fella. My attitude is professional and as such I expect paying for my services. As any S/E driver will tell you, you only work if the people you work for like you, trust you and are happy for you to drive their lorries. If you give in to them you end up driving for seven odd quid an hour… as many will testify.

Incidentally, I asked one of the fellas I work for if he’d expect a driver to ‘train’ for a few days for nothing. He would train them but he would pay the man the rate in question. As he said, for what it costs for a few days to get someone doing the job how I want it doing it’s a small price to pay. But then again he is a top bloke and an ex-driver and is definitely not a ■■■■ taker.

dle1uk:
so you spend 2-3k on training? and you cannot get a start in the career cos of no experience, so it seems that the majority on here will give up a couple of days in exchange for some experience… say £10 an hour x 20 hours £200

think i would prefer to loose the £200 then the whole lot…

No mate. Just find a company that doesn’t take the ■■■■ and pays - like I did!

Ray.G:
Truckulent you are a tool! Get a grip MUPPET.

Thanks Ray for that. The wittiest comment seen on here all year! :laughing:

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All said and done the one thing I have to concede mate is your persistence is second to none :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

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Truckulent:
I think it’s clear then. If you’re asked to work for free, then you should do it. You have got a cheek expecting a bit of money in exchange for the £2-£3K you spent on your licence and all the associated training involved.

Can I ask all you guys at what point you’d expect paying then? Let’s say the firm ask you to do a month’s work, or two month’s work ‘training’. Would you still do it for free? After all they are being so good to you offering you that chance aren’t they?

Is that acceptable too? At what point would it dawn on you you’re being [zb] over? :smiley:

you don’t work for free.

if i were a newby i’d want paying at the latest when i was in a truck by myself. once i was earning for the company and therefore working and not training :wink: i’d want paying. i’m sure a week at the most would cover most things. and no, before you start :wink: :laughing: any further training down the line will be paid. once someone isn’t a newby and has a proven track record, i’d have to be very, very desperate to accept a new job in a different sector, with unpaid training at the beginning.

the fact you’ve spent 2 - 3k on passing your test doesn’t mean you can do the job. why is it ok to spend 2 - 3k on a test, but it’s wrong to accept free training that’ll mean you can do the job? would it be better to turn it into 3 - 4k and pay for the training?

if a firm wants experienced drivers, but are willing to train newbies at no cost to either party, where’s the problem? have you never read any threads on here about “no one will give me a chance” “how do i get a start” “everyone wants 2 years exp - it’s ■■■■■■■■” if there’s plenty of experienced drivers about looking for work, then chances are a newby needs to show a bit of willing to get the nod over a proven driver. obviously in times like - ‘the great driver shortage of 05’ anyone with a license gets a go :laughing: :laughing:

i wonder, how many times of truckulent wheeled associated transport LTD having newbies you paid to train up, bugger off and you struggling to reclaim the training wages before you realise you’re getting bent over? :wink: :laughing: :laughing:

i don’t drive a truck anymore, when i went for a try out day nearly 3 years ago in an industry i had no experience of, i never asked will i be getting paid. i was looking at the bigger picture than 1 days pay! and whilst it comparable on the money front i’m now earning more than i ever did through a class 1 and more than any local driving jobs are paying that i know of. as it happens, i did get paid :laughing: :laughing:

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Drift:
All said and done the one thing I have to concede mate is your persistence is second to none :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Why thank you sir!

Frankly, I don’t know why I’m the villain. I just think the OP deserves to be paid, even if it’s not the full amount. It costs the company virtually nothing (to them) and would improve their early relationship no end. He’s likely to feel happier and more valued.

But clearly, most drivers on here don’t agree and don’t get it. Too many cab happy chaps I think. Never mind, at least I don’t have to work for nowt! :laughing:

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In an ideal world or even a few years ago I would agree with you but the way the job situation is now you have to (especially as a new driver) be prepared to give a bit more than you would like too.

I had my licence 27 years but when the boss offered me this wagon I agreed to stay on my warehouseman wage rate while I went out (and drove) with another driver for a week to get into the feel of the wagon and lashing down the loads (forklift trucks on a beavertail).

He saw I could do the job and I realised I liked the job (I vowed never to drive big stuff again) but I think the week on the lower rate while I learnt about the wagon and loading was worth it, but that was my call, I could have said no and stayed on my old rate at my old job and the wagon be moved down to another depot 100 miles away.
My wages have increased hugely with a good rise and overtime at great rates. :wink:

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but either way wether the days were paid or not in the ops circumstances he will more then likely have a good relationship as they were the company that gave him a go at the start where so many just simply said no straight off… and facts are they gave him a chance not just on normal haulage but a bit more specialised side of haulage…

I know i still have a good relationship with the company who gave me ago with no experience…