Powder Tanker work...what's that all about?

Here is another powder tanker. Mac Bulliment was also quite a specialist in building and operating those 30’ bulker trailers and I am not sure whether this DAF was on the fleet when I worked for him. But I do remember the lorry.

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DonutUK:
Pretty much as it says…what is powder tanker work all about…and yes, i gather it is the collection/delivery of powder in a tanker…but really looking for some experiences from those in the know!

Can I ask why you want to know (been offered a job ?)
That being the case you will (or should be) trained in H&S, just how do do it, how they want it done, and how the customer expects a delivery to be made.

Many places dislike powder delivery’s & by association the driver, liquid is much better in this respect & usually cleaner/less noise/much quicker.

Henrys cat:

dowahdiddyman:

Fileep:
All depends what your’e delivering and what the loading place is like. I’ve collected from one place where you line the shoots up over the hatch tell the machine what weight you want in each pot and it does the rest for you. However I have also loaded at places where you have to guess, some drivers have stop watches, they time it how much they want in each pot. Get it wrong though and its a bit of messing about getting the product out unless its a belly tanker. Best bit, not much waiting about to tip, can take anything from 45 min to 1 hour to get tipped, again that depends on the product. I wouldn’t imagine you’ll get much POA, I used to tip on break but don’t think you’d get away with that now.

Ive never used poa but at some jobs put a 45` in. Some of ours take 2 hours to blow(bleedin feed mills)

Not Fridaythorpe?

Once went there with Turners from Longcliffe, took 4.5hrs and still took 8 tons back :open_mouth: :open_mouth:
The silo wasn’t far away, but the pipe work went the most convoluted way that it trebled the length of blow

I worked for ABN in the weighbridge and never known it take anyone that long so you must have been unlucky!
One tip i will give you is keep your equipment clean.If you do pfa out of powerstations its best to keep a bottle of water with you so you can clean everything when you have tipped.Someone will have to show you the ropes but you will soon pick it up.I worked for Simon Gibson and when i first started he said to me i dont care if its 1:30 am if your not sure ring rather than getting it wrong. Never had to but i put that down to having a decent driver showing me the ropes.Always have ppe on before you get out the sites are usually ridiculous about it.I liked the job but he had to many arse kissers that got all the hours,i just wanted my fair share and then to go home or i would have stayed

Don’t forget to get a nice large rubber mallet to smack the sides and free off the stuck powder.

A story about large rubber mallets or anything banging the usually painted tanks.

When we had our driver initiation at Van Den Bosch, this subject came up and we were told it was not on and to only use the flat of your hand or underneath the barrel with a hammer.

Apparently Ad Van Den Bosch had seen a new driver doing it so he had taken a hammer to his new motorcycle fuel tank. I am not sure how true the story was but if someone has spent good money painting a tank like Van Den Bosch, Van Bentum or Simon Gibson do, I can see why they would not be too pleased to see someone battering the side of it with a rubber mallet.

Gibbo doesnt like you using one and i never did but there are drivers there that have them

Must admit I use one, but only on the cone, basically if companies actually specced tanks correctly and put vibrators on them there would be no need for a rubber mallet. Probably more women drivers too :laughing:

On a dry tank carrying sugar you will need a mallet.

IMO tipping tanks are easier than belly tanks, all the controls are at the back within easy reach.
Some products fly out, such as soya flakes, but it depends on the silo your blowing into aswell. Some have filters on the inlet that stop you blowing above a certain pressure. Always ask where you are tipping about the allowed pressure, better to take 30 minutes longer unloading than a couple if hours trying to unblock a silo inlet because you’ve tried to push to much product through a filter.
Every product is different so is every tank and every silo, you may do a load of milk powder into one silo in a hour but another silo could take 2.
You will ■■■■ up, even the mist experienced tanker driver does, the key is not to panic and always ask for help from other drivers.
It took me nearly 6 months of trial and error before I was fully confident with most products, but I used to do so many different products from foodstuff such as sugar and milk powder to plastics and chalk. At Van Den Bosch we carried just about everything.
Good luck with the new job, when you get used to it, it is a great job, but there is also a hell if a lot to learn.
Different methods of loading and unloading, when to say no, it’s not safe, how far to lift your tank and when, how to clean the tank.


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Dodgy Permit:
On a dry tank carrying sugar you will need a mallet.

not true, flat of your hand does just as good or the triller and if you tip the tip the tank correctly, gravity will bring it down.


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dowahdiddyman:
As has been said its all about getting the balance between product and air about right. If it is a powder ie,cement or powdered limestone etc, on a belly tank, it will not need much air going up the pipe, as long as it aint an horrendously long blow. Granular products will take more air and longer to blow due to the fact that they weigh more so take more shifting, except if you have got a tipping tank on, then granular tends to blow better than powder.
We do limestone and while it aint the cleanest of jobs it is one of the easiest going imo. Oh and yes you can throw a belly tank about more than a tipping tank and certainly more than a curtainsider. Had a trainee with me 2 weeks ago and for the first day he was ■■■■■■■■ himself every time we went into a roundabout or around what looked like a tightish corner. Unless you are pulling for a firm on a dedicated contract be prepared for plenty of cleaning out, easy on a tipping tank,ball-ache on a belly. Just remember if you aint sure ask and as I always tell the people I train up,your better spending an hour and half blowing than an hour and a half brushing up your bleedin mess.

sums it up pretty much mate one thing i would add is when your own your own for the first time, dont rush, do it as you have been taught.
i rushed one saturday night at anglian windows in norwich, wanting to get down to ipswich for my weekly rest, needless to say i cocked up and ended up with a ton of pvc powder on the floor…(and me).

Okey-Didley-Dokely:

Dodgy Permit:
On a dry tank carrying sugar you will need a mallet.

not true, flat of your hand does just as good or the triller and if you tip the tip the tank correctly, gravity will bring it down.


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20 years on sugar (in my case) & I post facts not what I have heard in a truckstop

Dodgy Permit:

Okey-Didley-Dokely:

Dodgy Permit:
On a dry tank carrying sugar you will need a mallet.

not true, flat of your hand does just as good or the triller and if you tip the tip the tank correctly, gravity will bring it down.


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20 years on sugar (in my case) & I post facts not what I have heard in a truckstop

done plenty of sugar without a mallet, never had any stuck.
Don’t use truckstops, full of idiot drivers


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Okey-Didley-Dokely:

Dodgy Permit:

Okey-Didley-Dokely:

Dodgy Permit:
On a dry tank carrying sugar you will need a mallet.

not true, flat of your hand does just as good or the triller and if you tip the tip the tank correctly, gravity will bring it down.


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20 years on sugar (in my case) & I post facts not what I have heard in a truckstop

done plenty of sugar without a mallet, never had any stuck.
Don’t use truckstops, full of idiot drivers


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Likewise, done a lot of powder, granules, flour and burrobond, in bulk iso boxes, bag in a box, tipper silos and Coulier belly tanks, taught by the old masters of the job and not in a cafe

I’ve done my fair share of tank work and prefer it to be honest,better than curtainsider work IMO it taxes ur brain a bit more than some other jobs.I’ve never used a mallet never had the need to,I prefer tip tanks aswell usually means get more variety of products unless that is u fancy sweepin a belly out and that’s not much fun especially in a lay-by in early hrs lol opc and Pfa are boring easy blows can’t really make a hash of it once u get hang of it,I’ve also done a lot of soda,sand,chromite sand and salt…god I do miss tank work haha I’ve been sent few times with new lads and always tell em just take yer time,like anything new really,stand back weigh situation up,look how far ur blowing the product set it goon with plenty of air and then adjust accordingly use yer guages for guidance,and hold pipe to feel how products moving through it.Good clean work once get hang of it!

dowahdiddyman:
Not Fridaythorpe?

Once went there with Turners from Longcliffe, took 4.5hrs and still took 8 tons back
The silo wasn’t far away, but the pipe work went the most convoluted way that it trebled the length of blow.

No thankfully.Worst we do is Sherburn in Elmet. 2-2.5 hours. You know it`s crap when they have there own vacuum system for sucking it out when it blocks!
All these ■■■■ feed mills were designed for horse and cart and all want products that were never meant for blowing aswell :imp: .

[“quote CJA1”] For the Blow from hell try RHM: Leith Dock"s Full Day not uncommon, Back in the day" wen god wer a Lad LOL!!!.

OK in hindsight my comment about hearing things in a truck-stop was out of line, but you said untrue & I read that (at the time) as telling a lie, anyway its now forgotten. :wink:

So lets get back on track …
20 years on dedicated sugar tanks & that is cane sugar.
Pneumatic discharge/land-based/gravity using elevating tanks designed for sugar, this off course is not a lot different from general powder tanks.
All drivers used a rubber mallet as issued by the company & after the first load when the tank had been washed and dried because of a sugar grade change the tank would start to carry (hence the mallet)
In fact sugar will need 30plus degrees of elevation before it will fall of its own accord.
Tate&Lyle, British Sugar drivers are all issued with a mallet and use them & this was up until 10 years ago (cannot comment since then) but I cannot see how things have changed.
In fact the vast bulk of dedicated flour tank drivers used a mallet so its not just confined to sugar.
Please don’t comment if you discharged containers with a condom inside as this is not what I am talking about.

Dodgy Permit:
OK in hindsight my comment about hearing things in a truck-stop was out of line, but you said untrue & I read that (at the time) as telling a lie, anyway its now forgotten. :wink:

So lets get back on track …
20 years on dedicated sugar tanks & that is cane sugar.
Pneumatic discharge/land-based/gravity using elevating tanks designed for sugar, this off course is not a lot different from general powder tanks.
All drivers used a rubber mallet as issued by the company & after the first load when the tank had been washed and dried because of a sugar grade change the tank would start to carry (hence the mallet)
In fact sugar will need 30plus degrees of elevation before it will fall of its own accord.
Tate&Lyle, British Sugar drivers are all issued with a mallet and use them & this was up until 10 years ago (cannot comment since then) but I cannot see how things have changed.
In fact the vast bulk of dedicated flour tank drivers used a mallet so its not just confined to sugar.
Please don’t comment if you discharged containers with a condom inside as this is not what I am talking about.

Apology accepted. :sunglasses:

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Patrick has been busy posting videos on Youtube and I thought this one would fit in this thread nicely.

Patrick drives with a Silo for Sitra out of Leper (Ypres) and is visiting their French cleaning station at Sailly sur Lys between Dunkirk and Lille.

I used to be in and out of this place two or three times a week normally, great lads with a sense of humour (for the French) :stuck_out_tongue:

:smiley: Hi Guys my name is Josh From company EEhaulage LTD manchester, We do a lot of export work overseas to Russia and Eastern Europe, i am in the market for buying Silo belly tankers, if you know any one selling any could you pass on my details. We pay top prices for Feldbinder and Spitzer or Heil Tankers.

Kind Regards Josh 07540694069
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