raymundo:
Marinised BMC’s are very popular, or were …
That’s what I have, a marinised BMC 1.5 diesel engine, although these days on new-build boats Japanese engines- Mitsubishi, Kubota, Yanmar etc are normally used.
Some older boats have Lister engines etc but I couldn’t be done with all the faff. 
Years ago I had a Kelvin K4 engine 88hp where the starting procedure was worse than that, wind in the magneto, pour petrol into a carburettor and squirt out of an oil can 12 portions of petrol into a secondary combustion chamber adjacent to the main diesel one, there was a lever on the top of the engine that you pulled back towards the gearbox to position it to start on petrol. Then you started turning the hand crank as fast as you could to get her to fire up, once running on petrol you let her get up to speed and once there you throw the lever over into the diesel running mode then ease the throttle back down to tick over and then unwind the magneto hoping you had remembered to check the governor was topped up with fuel cos if you hadn’t they were prone to running away, and also if you did not let her get up top speed on petrol they were well known to rebound and start running backwards which happened to me twice when short of petrol. Even spent a couple of hours or more getting the bloody knackered thing to start sometimes …
Carryfast:
Franglais:
That will leave narrowboaters with the rules unchanged, but may well have implications for anyone wanting to pop over to Calais for a day’s shopping - they could get pounced on by DGFiP and get their tanks dipped.If/when we leave the EU we are still signed up to Paris. The Gov still has CO2 and other polllution targets to meet. If they don’t tax it today it’ll be tomorrow.
The great Sagan CO2 myth could be blown out any time.While if they’re really that worried about CO2 they’d obviously be going for an outright ban on fossil fuel use including aircraft and rail use.Not seeing how much of the taxation burden they can shift onto retired pleasure boaters who’ve already paid more than enough tax on their earnings and smashing that industry in the process…
As for the ‘rules’ they are unchanged in that road fuel taxation is being illegally applied to non road use.
As for the raid on cross channel supermarket shoppers that sounds bleedin bizarre to me.Are you suggesting that Brit river/canal pleasure boaters regularly take their vessels out to sea risking their lives in the hope of saving a couple of bob on a supermarket shopping bill. 
More hysterical Europhile bs.
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The comment about cross channel shoppers wasnt mine. It was Santa. The comment that the Gov will probably increasingly tax fossil fuels is mine. Doesnt much matter if it is on road fuel, static engines, heating, or whatever, fossil fuel will get more heavily taxed.
Do you then suggest (red) that since retirees have already paid tax on earnings, ALL of their purchases should be tax free?
And blue the Gov are, as we know, planning to stop new fossil fueled car production, they talk a lot of complete electrification of the rail system, but dont do enough. Aircraft are major polluters, but although banning them would help the environment, it aint about to happen. Not for any ecological reason, but politics. In spite of lots of talk and hand wringing, few would actually vote* for a party whose manifesto included an end to flying off on holidays.
*so far…but the upcoming Greta Thunberg generation?
I simply cannot understand this Greta Thunberg nonsense, she is a wee lassie of about fourteen years of age. How much did we know when we were that age? She is about to cross the Atlantic in a fancy sail boat made from modern plastic materials ,sure it wont use fossil fuel for propulsion but it was built with fossil fuels. We simply don’t have an alternative to oil .
alamcculloch:
I simply cannot understand this Greta Thunberg nonsense, she is a wee lassie of about fourteen years of age. How much did we know when we were that age? She is about to cross the Atlantic in a fancy sail boat made from modern plastic materials ,sure it wont use fossil fuel for propulsion but it was built with fossil fuels. We simply don’t have an alternative to oil .
*****Breaking News!
The 16 year old Greta has not found a 100% perfect solution to arguably the biggest problem in the world!
If the first steps to solving a problem is to actually see that it is there, she is doing a ■■■■ good job at getting us all talking about it. 
There were boats built before we drilled for oil, and there are means of fueling transport apart from oil.
There certainly are alternatives to oil. Maybe not as cheap and easy but they are there.
Franglais:
alamcculloch:
I simply cannot understand this Greta Thunberg nonsense, she is a wee lassie of about fourteen years of age. How much did we know when we were that age? She is about to cross the Atlantic in a fancy sail boat made from modern plastic materials ,sure it wont use fossil fuel for propulsion but it was built with fossil fuels. We simply don’t have an alternative to oil .*****Breaking News!
The 16 year old Greta has not found a 100% perfect solution to arguably the biggest problem in the world!If the first steps to solving a problem is to actually see that it is there, she is doing a ■■■■ good job at getting us all talking about it.
There were boats built before we drilled for oil, and there are means of fueling transport apart from oil.
There certainly are alternatives to oil. Maybe not as cheap and easy but they are there.
A lot of it is just politicians wanting to be seen as ‘woke’ for the last 40 years crusty scientists have been telling politicians there is a problem but have been ignored then along comes a child and politicians are bending over backwards to be seen to be listening her and telling us we must listen to her and politicians wonder why the public think they are full of ■■■■.
This conference that she is attending have the organisers not heard of video conferencing do more for the environment than sailing across the Atlantic in a non recyclable ship made out of fossil fuels and the environmental cost of the flights being taken to New York by the crew who are sailing the yacht back.
The generation that she represents and the one above it are amongst the biggest polluters with their throwaway culture and must have the latest gadget craze. Breaking news you can wear clothes more than once and you life won’t end if you don’t have the latest I-phone or Samsung within days of it being released
Harry Monk:
Carryfast:
Trickydick:
LPG powered boats, thats going to end wellDo you own or use a boat?
No worse than petrol and MTB’s and rescue launches loaded to within an inch of their lives with the stuff to run multiple aero engines weren’t exactly blowing themselves out of the water.Nor any less safe than Diesel fuelled E Boats in that regard.
The only fuel generally available canalside is diesel. On rivers it is sometimes possible to buy petrol, I don’t know anywhere on the waterways which sells LPG. I’d say 99.9% of narrowboats have diesel engines.
As I said Harry the whole scam could be a double edged sword in the form of opening up numerous opportunities for the boating industry to introduce ways of circumventing it.Whether easily converting diesels to spark ignition and LPG fuelling.Or electric propulsion conversion using a portable stand alone diesel generator for battery charging.Although as you said it would inevitably destroy the present bunkering industry which with the obvious tightening up of the propulsion fuelling side will probably take a massive hit with this ruling regardless.
Unless the government puts two fingers up to Brussels and puts a quiet word out among the scene business as usual.( 60/40 either way whether propulsion or domestic fuel usage take your pick 
).Don’t hold your breath on that from this bunch of quisling muppets.
Franglais:
Carryfast:
Franglais:
That will leave narrowboaters with the rules unchanged, but may well have implications for anyone wanting to pop over to Calais for a day’s shopping - they could get pounced on by DGFiP and get their tanks dipped.If/when we leave the EU we are still signed up to Paris. The Gov still has CO2 and other polllution targets to meet. If they don’t tax it today it’ll be tomorrow.
The great Sagan CO2 myth could be blown out any time.While if they’re really that worried about CO2 they’d obviously be going for an outright ban on fossil fuel use including aircraft and rail use.Not seeing how much of the taxation burden they can shift onto retired pleasure boaters who’ve already paid more than enough tax on their earnings and smashing that industry in the process…
As for the ‘rules’ they are unchanged in that road fuel taxation is being illegally applied to non road use.
As for the raid on cross channel supermarket shoppers that sounds bleedin bizarre to me.Are you suggesting that Brit river/canal pleasure boaters regularly take their vessels out to sea risking their lives in the hope of saving a couple of bob on a supermarket shopping bill.
The comment about cross channel shoppers wasnt mine. It was Santa. The comment that the Gov will probably increasingly tax fossil fuels is mine. Doesnt much matter if it is on road fuel, static engines, heating, or whatever, fossil fuel will get more heavily taxed.
Do you then suggest (red) that since retirees have already paid tax on earnings, ALL of their purchases should be tax free?
And blue the Gov are, as we know, planning to stop new fossil fueled car production, they talk a lot of complete electrification of the rail system, but dont do enough. Aircraft are major polluters, but although banning them would help the environment, it aint about to happen. Not for any ecological reason, but politics. In spite of lots of talk and hand wringing, few would actually vote* for a party whose manifesto included an end to flying off on holidays.
*so far…but the upcoming Greta Thunberg generation?
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So what you’re saying is it’s actually all about politics not saving the planet and you think it’s ok to shift ( a higher unfair proportion ) of the tax burden onto retirees who as I’ve said have already been taxed on their earnings.So as to save wage earners across the board,including the highest ones,income tax,or paying more for their holiday/business flights.Not to mention the lost tax revenues from the boating industry when many just say zb it and give up their hobby.
While as I said taxing fossil fuel use,as opposed to capping the oil wells and banning the stuff completely,fixes the bs fictional Sagan CO2 bollox how.Oh wait that answers its own question.Bearing in mind that car ( or boat ) engines can run happily on hydrogen,after the stepping stone to LPG,but aircraft jet engines can’t.In which case surely you’d then want to promote hydrogen fuelled car and pleasure boat use while hammering aircraft use.In which case the best solution so far is obviously for those ripped off retirees to go for the electric propulsion and red diesel generator charging option. 
So, road going diesel engines that use regular diesel fuel have to use adblue so will boats have to use it when they burn regular diesel fuel ? No one mentioned it and i couldn’t find out anything on google so i’m guessing they don’t ?
remy:
So, road going diesel engines that use regular diesel fuel have to use adblue so will boats have to use it when they burn regular diesel fuel ? No one mentioned it and i couldn’t find out anything on google so i’m guessing they don’t ?
To clean up the emissions of the twin Lister Blackstones that I have would take more than Adblue … but in answer to your question, no they don’t but on newer larger vessel they have ‘scrubbers’ built into the exhaust systems which basically does the same job.
raymundo:
remy:
So, road going diesel engines that use regular diesel fuel have to use adblue so will boats have to use it when they burn regular diesel fuel ? No one mentioned it and i couldn’t find out anything on google so i’m guessing they don’t ?To clean up the emissions of the twin Lister Blackstones that I have would take more than Adblue … but in answer to your question, no they don’t but on newer larger vessel they have ‘scrubbers’ built into the exhaust systems which basically does the same job.
Thanks raymundo.
Carryfast:
Trickydick:
LPG powered boats, thats going to end wellDo you own or use a boat?
No worse than petrol and MTB’s and rescue launches loaded to within an inch of their lives with the stuff to run multiple aero engines weren’t exactly blowing themselves out of the water.Nor any less safe than Diesel fuelled E Boats in that regard.
As I thought you know sfa about boats.
remy:
So, road going diesel engines that use regular diesel fuel have to use adblue so will boats have to use it when they burn regular diesel fuel ? No one mentioned it and i couldn’t find out anything on google so i’m guessing they don’t ?
Volvo bought out cats in their marine petrol engines a few years ago.
Not heard of anything on the pleasure diesels, though most of the new gear has been common rail for a while now.
The bhp they get from boat engines is unreal compared to road engines, double is not unusual so that alone should tell you emissions are not at the top of the list, they can also have a very low duty cycle compared to truck engines, some as low as 10 percent for the big bhp models.
remy:
raymundo:
remy:
So, road going diesel engines that use regular diesel fuel have to use adblue so will boats have to use it when they burn regular diesel fuel ? No one mentioned it and i couldn’t find out anything on google so i’m guessing they don’t ?To clean up the emissions of the twin Lister Blackstones that I have would take more than Adblue … but in answer to your question, no they don’t but on newer larger vessel they have ‘scrubbers’ built into the exhaust systems which basically does the same job.
Thanks raymundo.
Here`s links to pictures of Brittanys Mont St Michel, earlier with original funnels and now with scrubber system installed.
simplonpc.co.uk/Brittany-MontStMichel.html
letelegramme.fr/ar/imgproxy … j=20180918
Huge and expensive system.
Interesting article in todays Sunday Times about Saint Greta, basically the people controlling her publicity and funding are linked to Sweden’s main energy companies who will benefit on a huge scale financially from green policies and are using Greta as their public face in order to push their policies and gain government contracts and make several ex members of Sweden’s government very rich so as it would appear that the more cynical amongst were right and she is just being used and manipulated.
Mazzer2:
Interesting article in todays Sunday Times about Saint Greta, basically the people controlling her publicity and funding are linked to Sweden’s main energy companies who will benefit on a huge scale financially from green policies and are using Greta as their public face in order to push their policies and gain government contracts and make several ex members of Sweden’s government very rich so as it would appear that the more cynical amongst were right and she is just being used and manipulated.
The Sunday Times?
Owned by “News UK”, owned in turn by “News Corp”, executive chairmen Richard Murdoch? That Sunday Times?
That doesnt mean everything they publish has his fingerprints all over it, but it`s owners have fingers in financial pies too.
Mazzer2:
Interesting article in todays Sunday Times about Saint Greta, basically the people controlling her publicity and funding are linked to Sweden’s main energy companies who will benefit on a huge scale financially from green policies and are using Greta as their public face in order to push their policies and gain government contracts and make several ex members of Sweden’s government very rich so as it would appear that the more cynical amongst were right and she is just being used and manipulated.
I’ve read various articles about her and I’m not comfortable with whatever is going in in the background.
I know she is 16, looks 12 and has aspergers/autism. I wonder why her parents see fit to make her look younger which they undoubtedly do.
And I also wonder why any government takes a blind bit of notice of her.
Shes bunked off school for however many weeks to hold up a placard outside a government building.
They let her in and she said the climates changing and its awful and going to get worse.
Yep, been said before. She has failed to explain how green energy will be financed, how jobs will be impacted and how severely the economy will be impacted. If you want to speak up on a subject, you need to have a big picture view and not just whinge about planes and look smug in your charity shop blouse.
albion:
Mazzer2:
Interesting article in todays Sunday Times about Saint Greta, basically the people controlling her publicity and funding are linked to Sweden’s main energy companies who will benefit on a huge scale financially from green policies and are using Greta as their public face in order to push their policies and gain government contracts and make several ex members of Sweden’s government very rich so as it would appear that the more cynical amongst were right and she is just being used and manipulated.I’ve read various articles about her and I’m not comfortable with whatever is going in in the background.
I know she is 16, looks 12 and has aspergers/autism. I wonder why her parents see fit to make her look younger which they undoubtedly do.
And I also wonder why any government takes a blind bit of notice of her.
Shes bunked off school for however many weeks to hold up a placard outside a government building.
They let her in and she said the climates changing and its awful and going to get worse.
Yep, been said before. She has failed to explain how green energy will be financed, how jobs will be impacted and how severely the economy will be impacted. If you want to speak up on a subject, you need to have a big picture view and not just whinge about planes and look smug in your charity shop blouse.
Five paragraphs each of which could have a book written about them!
I`ll self edit a bit I think.
No, a lot.
Trickydick:
Carryfast:
Trickydick:
LPG powered boats, thats going to end wellDo you own or use a boat?
No worse than petrol and MTB’s and rescue launches loaded to within an inch of their lives with the stuff to run multiple aero engines weren’t exactly blowing themselves out of the water.Nor any less safe than Diesel fuelled E Boats in that regard.
As I thought you know sfa about boats.
Exactly which part have I got wrong or missed.
It really takes a special type of stupid to be using white diesel instead of LPG or red diesel fuelled generator charging and electric propulsion.
Yes there are obviously some supply logistics to sort out in the case of the former.But probably still better than what the industry will be left with in the case of a strict white diesel only regime for propulsion purposes.
Mazzer2:
Interesting article in todays Sunday Times about Saint Greta, basically the people controlling her publicity and funding are linked to Sweden’s main energy companies who will benefit on a huge scale financially from green policies and are using Greta as their public face in order to push their policies and gain government contracts and make several ex members of Sweden’s government very rich so as it would appear that the more cynical amongst were right and she is just being used and manipulated.
Who would have thought it.When it’s obvious that the whole bs Sagan CO2 theory scam is all about making ‘renewable’ and more like nuclear energy suppliers rich.
