Poor Digi Card Training

[madbaz]

Had our digi card training today and the trainer (in house) was his own ideas on the Law see if you can smell summat.

Bear in mind that I was the only driver of seven in this training who has used a digi card.

We are not allowed to use POA.
We are not allowed to make manual entries unless the card is lost or stolen or faulty, ie card in as soon as we start and taken out just before leaving for the day, (what do we do when dropping the trucks off for a service etc?).
We have absolutely no need for multi-manning (what do we do when picking a driver up thats just dropped a truck off for servicing or when teaching someone a run).
It is our legal responsibility to ensure our cards are downloaded weekly.
The driving time is more accurate and reliable than anologue (I nearly fell off my zbing chair at this one) and for muliti drop drivers there is no 15 minute leeway on a 4.5 hour driving period. I need help with this one, I have seen something official somewhere about this but can’t find it.
He did not show us how to make manual entries.
He did not show anyone how to do a printout.
He told us that all VU default to other work after driving after a rest period, he neglected to mention that VUs made after 09/07 will default to rest when ign is turned off, unless this is changed by a tacho centre. (our new trucks do this despite the problem being explained in detailo to him a few weeks ago, and we were assured that they would be specced not to).
He also neglected to mention that the ign needs to be on when inserting/ejecting/printing.

The training covered the very basics, mode switch and ‘time display’ insertion and ejection. It was so poor that I’ve been asked to show peeps how to use a digitach properly. None of the pitfalls were covered, and this from someone that gets paid a bloody ■■■■ siight more than me. I have made my feelings well known but I still had to sign to say I’ve received adequate training .

[coffeeholic]

MADBAZ:
Had our digi card training today and the trainer (in house) was his own ideas on the Law see if you can smell summat.

I’m smelling something bovine. Does this guy actually get paid for teaching, or in this case not teaching this? I’m in the wrong job.

MADBAZ:
We are not allowed to use POA.

To be fair there is nothing in the regulations which says you must use POA. POA and break are near enough the same thing and if a period qualifies as POA it certainly qualifies as break. Company choice and as long as they pay you for them whack it on break.

MADBAZ:
We are not allowed to make manual entries unless the card is lost or stolen or faulty, ie card in as soon as we start and taken out just before leaving for the day, (what do we do when dropping the trucks off for a service etc?).

That is stupid, I would say without manual entries it won’t eb a true record of yoru days work and therefore illegal, he needs a slap.

MADBAZ:
We have absolutely no need for multi-manning (what do we do when picking a driver up thats just dropped a truck off for servicing or when teaching someone a run).

Picking someone up from dropping a truck off won’t be multi manning, no real need for the guy you picked up to insert his card as he can just make a manual entry to cover the time when he next uses his card. Oh, hang on you are not allowed to make manual entries! He needs another slap.

MADBAZ:
It is our legal responsibility to ensure our cards are downloaded weekly.

Bovine aroma getting stronger. Operators responsibility. You may want to point himtoward THIS DOCUMENT He needs another slap.

MADBAZ:
The driving time is more accurate and reliable than anologue

That’s not untrue, it’s no worse than analogue really although it can round up a few minutes during the day if you do a lot of short movements. On the flip side when in traffic it can count some time as other work instead of driving so over a day it pretty much works out evenly.

MADBAZ:
and for muliti drop drivers there is no 15 minute leeway on a 4.5 hour driving period. I need help with this one, I have seen something official somewhere about this but can’t find it.

There was something about VOSA allowing a little leeway but i can’t remember the details.

MADBAZ:
He did not show us how to make manual entries.

Well you’re not allowed to do them so why would he?

MADBAZ:
He did not show anyone how to do a printout.
He told us that all VU default to other work after driving after a rest period, he neglected to mention that VUs made after 09/07 will default to rest when ign is turned off, unless this is changed by a tacho centre. (our new trucks do this despite the problem being explained in detailo to him a few weeks ago, and we were assured that they would be specced not to).
He also neglected to mention that the ign needs to be on when inserting/ejecting/printing.

He really shouldn’t be allowed to teach digi tacho stuff.

MADBAZ:
… I still had to sign to say I’ve received adequate training .

I wouldn’t be signing that under the circumstances.

[madbaz]

Cheers Coffee, I’m glad I’m not going mad, I’ll concede the POA but the driving time does not coincide with actual drivetime and the difference between the VU and my DHG has been as much as 28 minutes over a 10 hour day, I know they calculate differently but still.

I think the guy really needs to rework his teaching methods and/or come onto sites like this where peeps in the real world encounter real problems, it’s where I learned most of what I know . With digitachos it’s not really something you should learn on the fly, cos when a grumpy vosa man finds fault it’ll hurt in the pocket, but the company gets off scot free cos they’ve given us training and they’ve got a signature to prove it.

I’ll concede that he was for the most part teaching newbies to digi tachos but whats the point in teaching if people aren’t given adequate training. I just hope the pdcpc (of which he’ll be our trainer) will be more thorough, thats if I’m still there.

[fizza]

try this works ok on my pc
novadata.co.uk/pages/data-co … s-1224.htm
download the simulator first then whatever tacho you use

[repton]

MADBAZ:
He also neglected to mention that the ign needs to be on when inserting/ejecting/printing.

It doesn’t on every make of wagon though, so he wasn’t completely wrong. I can’t remember which wagon it was (either a DAF 105 or MAN TGX) but at least one wagon I’ve driven recently you could eject without needing the keys.

He still seems like a complete numpty on all the other points you raise though.

Paul

[nick2008]

You wanna see his certificate of training, Rog would put me right on this but I’m sure if your to be a trainer you need to do a course on how to train
I wouldnt sign anything if I thought i hadnt been trained to the correct standard
■■■ and kicking comes to mind

[tachograph]

repton:

MADBAZ:
He also neglected to mention that the ign needs to be on when inserting/ejecting/printing.

It doesn’t on every make of wagon though, so he wasn’t completely wrong. I can’t remember which wagon it was (either a DAF 105 or MAN TGX) but at least one wagon I’ve driven recently you could eject without needing the keys.

He still seems like a complete numpty on all the other points you raise though.

Paul

You can insert/eject and print with the ignition off on the MAN TGX