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This absolute ret4rd should be sacked for the good of the country and then sectioned for the good of himself.

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@cooper1203 introduced those polls here on this occasion.

Obviously @cooper1203 was picking the bits of polls from certain parts of the site that suited his ends, but chooses to ignore others.

Did UK gas production fall last year? Yes it did.

It is a broadly a continuation of the falls for many years before that.

Y’know the falls from the days when Labour were last in power? The falls in production under the previous Tory Governments? Oil & Gas in the UK | EITI The UK was a net exporter of gas in 1997, and reverted to being a net importer of gas in 2004 Timeline of the oil and gas industry in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

And do not forget that we buy all gas and oil imports in the international marketplace. UK oil is not a National asset. W e are dependent on world events for the price we pay for oil and gas. Puatain’s invasion of Ukraine pushed North Sea prices up. we pay more for NS gas because of Russia.

It sems to me perfectly rational to want to be less dependent on price volatile gas and oil. Why be more dependent on polluting expensive supplies?

:roll_eyes: Of course it does.

Your servility to the cause knows no bounds.

All I know every expert on every radio station says Milliband is mad and so are his crackpot schemes, and again the fact that people like you approve tells me it is wrong.

I ain’t an expert on this, no doubt you think you are, but one example we have our natural resources such as gas that could be fracked, this imbecile is converting over the sites I am told, and buying it in.

Or is it with you because Trump says it is crazy more like.

As for his environmental b/s reasons…it s a bit like me saying I’m gonna stop pi55ing in the sea to cease ocean pollution.

The man is an effin imbecile and a danger to our country’s welfare..end of.

Drill baby drill :us_outlying_islands:

Every expert on every radio station? Wow! You must have done many, many, hours of listening to get all of that heard! Well done.

Of course it is possible that some radio stations, financed by those with an interest in oil/gas production, and employing spokespersons who have some expertise, do say it is a good thing for the UK to be beholden to foreign owned energy countries.

Here are 678 experts in their field who are against development of NS fields. https://www.lse.ac.uk/granthaminstitute/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Letter_to_the_Prime_Minister_28_March_2023.pdf

Six hundred and seventy eight of them. How many did you hear on your marathon listening session?

In what world is it a good idea for the UK to be dependent on mostly foreign owned energy companies?

If the UK owned the companies exploiting the NS then there might be a strategic advantage to developing them. But the rights have been sold off. Any gas and oil does not reach the UK at a knockdown price. We pay the full going rate on the world market.

Russia or Saudi cuts production we pay more for NS energy.

It is not a reliable energy source. Prices are only going up. Unlike renewables which are dropping in production costs and are not so dependent on foreign governments.

But if you choose to believe those who own big shares in oil energy, and big shares in media companies…..your choice.

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Here’s a deep dive into the funding of Reform UK, highlighting major contributors, patterns, and the implications—especially as they relate to the oil and gas industry:

:oil_drum: Big Donors with Fossil Fuel & Climate-Deniers Ties

Jeremy Hosking

Donated around £1.578 million since December 2019, including £500K in 2020 and £1M before the 2019 general election under the Brexit Party name .

  • His investment firm (Hosking Partners) had over £108 million in energy sector holdings as of 2021—about two-thirds in oil, plus gas and coal .

Richard Tice

  • As former leader and chairman, contributed over £1.1 million in donations.

  • Additionally, Tisun Investments (owned by Tice) made 50 loans totalling around £1.4 million from 2020 onward .

Christopher Harborne

  • Major aviation fuel supplier via AML Global (serving regional and oil companies).

  • Donated around £465,000 since 2019; previously gave ~£6.5 million to the Brexit Party .

Terence Mordaunt / First Corporate Consultants

  • Owner/ex-chairman of the Global Warming Policy Foundation.

  • First Corporate Consultants donated £200,000 in 2023, and earlier smaller amounts, with ties to climate denial groups .

:bar_chart: Overall Funding Patterns

  • Between Dec 2019 and mid‑2024, ~£2.3 million (≈ 92%) of Reform UK’s declared donations came from fossil fuel interests, high-polluting businesses, or climate science deniers .

  • In 2024 alone, the party gathered nearly £4.75 million in large donations, of which ~40% came from individuals who openly question climate change or have investments in fossil fuel sectors .

  • From 2019 to 2024, over £17 million in registered donations were received, with more than 80% coming from just five individuals—notably including the above donors .

:globe_showing_europe_africa: Offshore & Offshore-Linked Fundraising

  • In 2025, Reform UK embarked on a mainstream fundraising campaign targeting wealthy donors in low‑tax offshore jurisdictions (Monaco, UAE, Switzerland, the Channel Islands, etc.).

  • Treasurer Nick Candy has secured millions in early‑2025 donations, including at least £100,000 from an oil and gas executive, with pledges of up to £1 million more .

  • This offshore push is part of a broader strategy to diversify income from domestic energy-sector sympathizers and non‑dom UK residents who qualify under Electoral Commission rules .

:magnifying_glass_tilted_left: Implications & Significance

  • Reform UK relies heavily on a small group of wealthy backers—many with direct interests in fossil fuels or anti‑net zero positions.

  • Its policy platform mirrors donor interests, pressing to reverse bans on North Sea drilling, repeal net-zero targets, and favor energy deregulation.

  • The offshore fundraising strategy aligns the party with global oil executive networks and tax-haven-linked capital .

:white_check_mark: Bottom Line

Reform UK’s financial backbone is largely driven by individuals and entities with vested interests in fossil fuels and climate denial. Funding is concentrated in a handful of major donors, many of whom actively support the party’s anti-net zero agenda. These ties raise critical questions about influence, transparency, and democratic integrity.

are not so dependent on foreign governments
But dependent to a large extent on foreign companies.
“A mix of private and state-owned entities, both domestic and foreign, own UK wind farms. Orsted, a Danish company majority-owned by the Danish government, is a major owner of UK offshore wind capacity, followed by SSE and ScottishPower. Foreign state-owned entities, including those from Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Italy, China, and France, collectively own a significant portion of the UK’s offshore wind capacity.”

so people with their head screwed on right then

all the rest of it is fine…. no shady characters there…. none that are going to get a top cabinet job because they donated 20k

All true.

A difference however is that the electricity generated in the UK mostly stays in the UK. There are insufficient interconnectors to export much of it. The UK electricity price is not so dependent on international events as oil and gas is.

If you want to make an argument that no foreign companies should have any holding in strategically important resources?

I think that there is, or rather was, a valid argument to be had. But over decades of privatisation and selling off of the family silver, that is an argument long passed. Maybe the investment accepted by the Tories in their short sighted, and profit for private companies policies looks less wise now*?

*“less wise” = even more stupid than before.

RefUK Ltd donors do not need a place on any Cabinet. The 75% owner of the party dances to their tune already.

like starmer you mean with lord ali?

back real world and away from leftist propaganda drivel…

in the uk there are approximately 5.45 million small businesses(0 - 49 employees) 37,800 medium sized businesses (50-249) and 8,250 large businesses. a small business consumes approximately 1500 kwh per month, a medium sized business consumes 50,000 kwh per month and a large one consumes over 100,000 kwh per month

just on electricity alone (never mind all the other tarrifs) for every kwh a business has to pay £0,00775 (0.775 pence) in tax

this means that since 01/04/21 to 31/03/26 when it will go up

small businesses will of paid £30,411,000,000 30.411 Billion
medium businesses will of paid 703,080,000 over 703 million
large businesses will of paid 306,900,000 306.9 million

Thats 31,420,098,000 over 31.42 billion pounds has been spent on just tax on the electric they use. it doesnt include the price of the electric its self. It also doesnt include all the other green tax bs that milliband has hoisted on us

of course there is a plus side to global warming…. if the temperature of the english channel rose a few degrees we could introduce sharks for the illegals to get past

bollox how do we import it all then or is there a massive diode on the french side.

so you were wrong then when you blamed the rise in energy costs on brexit.

it would of worked if we didnt have to sell it all on the european market

on the other hand Labour are more funded by the renewables sector, so at the moment its them who are getting the government that they have paid for, and the unions too. if reform were to win, that means the oil and gas boys will have their turn at having government that acts in their business interests, which will be what they paid for

:herb: Major Renewable-Energy–Aligned Donors to Labour

Dale Vince / Ecotricity

  • Ecotricity, founded by environmental activist‑entrepreneur Dale Vince, has donated over £3.4 million to Labour between 2020 and 2022, and public records in mid‑2024 indicated his total contributions exceeded £5 million .

  • His donations funded key green campaigns during the 2024 general election period .

  • Ecotricity’s contribution aligns with its mission to support “Green Labour” and UK energy independence .

Quadrature Capital

  • The climate-focused investment firm Quadrature Capital donated £4 million to Labour in May 2024, aiming to back policies advancing the green transition and social equity .

:briefcase: Other Key Business Donors with Green or Neutral Profiles

  • Gary Lubner (former CEO of Belron/Autoglass) donated around £4.5 million to Labour by 2024, positioning himself among the party’s top individual funders — his support reflects alignment with progressive and green-leaning economic platforms .

  • David Sainsbury (Lord Sainsbury of Turville) provided approximately £3 million in 2023, with his daughter Francesca Perrin contributing over £1 million—together forming a significant philanthropic roster backing Labour’s environmental agenda .

  • Trade unions remain a core funding base, supplying about £5.6 million in 2023–24, though donations from corporate and individual green supporters outstripped union support in recent cycles .

:receipt: Smaller Renewable-Adjacent or Sustainability Contributors

  • Ecotricity Group has consistently been among the top corporate donors providing substantial sums to Labour, including over £700,000 in a single year prior to 2023 .

  • Drax Group, the biomass operator, donated £12,000 in 2022—a controversial move criticised by environmental activists due to its reliance on wood-burning biomass and potential policy influence .

:magnifying_glass_tilted_left: Context and Significance

  1. Labour’s fundraising shifted notably between 2022–2024, with private donations from firms and individuals—especially green-aligned donors—surpassing traditional union support .

  2. Dale Vince stands out not only for his political funding but also as a vocal advocate for sustainable energy, leveraging Ecotricity to advance renewable policy goals under Labour .

  3. Quadrature’s £4 million donation reflects institutional commitment to decarbonisation and the transition to clean energy economies—their support was explicitly linked to Labour’s climate platform .

  4. Some contributions—like the modest one from Drax—have sparked criticism, highlighting tensions between Labour’s clean-energy agenda and accepting funds from contentious sources in the broader energy sector .

I forgot to answer this…….

which bit did i ignore …. on the single link i posted not the one you imagined i posted. I gave the nearest dates of when both boris and starmer were in power. boris was in power from 24/07/19 to 06/09/22 what bits have i missed. he started and finished on what ever it was i said. Starmers started his reign of terror on 7/7/24 and unfortunately hasnt finished screwing over the country yet. (we will see what happens when they come back in september) so i gave the latest stats

@Franglais

Whenever I read your trademark condescending ‘‘I know much better than you do’‘ type posts…

Why do the 2 words ‘Conceited Prick’’ invariably spring into my mind.

It’s phenomenal.

To use a mate of mine’s putdown…

‘‘Not been punched enough ‘

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I wouldn’t worry mate just let them keep digging.

Nobody takes them serious anyway…..esoecially your resident expert on …….well anything tbh.

Or so HE thinks.

The bigger the f/up Labour and the socialists carry on doing, the less chance I will ever see them in power again in my lifetime.

Most people are not as gullible and deluded as they are themselves or as they wish that we were.

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That is the headline rate charged by suppliers. There are discounts of 92% available. Because you failed to account for that, all your other assumptions are false.

Out of curiosity even if those figures you gave were correct, what would you propose? That they are ended? If so how would you plug the £30bn hole left?

The UK has International interconnectors totalling just under 10,000 MW.

The UK has green power capability of over 50,000 MW.

There is not enough bits of cable to export even 20% the UK green electricity production.