Polish Or(ys)acles

Hi Chaps

Would appreciate a bit 'o advice.

I have to go to Poland on business and I’m considering driving. I’m going to Kolo (northwest of Lodz not the one near the German border).

Route looks like channel crossing to Calais or Dunkerque, then France/Belgium/Netherlands/straight across Germany skirting Hannover.

This would be in a car. I’ve never been to Poland before.

Are there any regs covering Poland that differ significantly from those elsewhere on the Continent?
Do Polish road signs bear English translations?
Routeplanner suggests around 16 hours drive - does that sound reasonable?

Many thanks.

Cheers…M

have a look through these sites
ONE
TWO
THREE
the above should be helpful, now a few points have you
got your car winter checked,make sure that you have
good tyres that will be okay if it snows,check that you
have the required items, for your car when travelling abroad
it looks like the Frankfurt-oder border crossing will be the best bet for you
be warned that the route is well travelled and so is strongly policed
and also the ZOLL customs are out on the roads in strength,
The roads are not perfect in Poland and you will need
more time than you think as excessive speed will give
you car a hammering that may damage it,
have a nice trip,

Many thanks pete

If I’d bothered to Google I’d’ve found those sites and saved you the trouble, so apologies for that.

The first link says only two long m/way type stretches, the west-east one going from Germany to Krakow. Does that mean the E30 to Warsaw is not m/way?

Given your comments on the roads, is 16hours a reasonable estimate?

Cheers…M

The major difference from UK being that there’s “compulsory equipment”, similar to other european countries, so tow rope, warnign triangle, first aid kit, spare bulbs, fire extinguisher, hi-viz vest… documents as usual. Winter tyres can be useful if the weather goes wintery.
It’s EU and Schengen so you don’t stop at the broder anymore. However, customs guys are around looking for smuggled ■■■■ and booze.

The traffic in Germany can be busy so that may slow you down. There’s also missing stretch of motorway - from the D border to about halfway to Poznan.
Anyway, Calais-Lodz in ~17hrs sounds reasonable to me (comfy 120km/h right up the PL border with occassional slowdowns due to roadworks, pileups, busy traffic, 10-20min stop every 3-4hrs). You’ll (have to) slow down right after border, but don’t be surprised when EVERYBODY will overtake you, the Poles are nation of overtakers. Oh, don’t forget to pull onto verge to allow for overtaking, there’s imaginary third lane on single carriageways.

Re your 2nd question: no, they don’t :slight_smile: (well, unless it’s something serious, like get your vignette here)
Traffic sings are pictograms, clear to everyone at first glance. Only in some countries they need to “make it clearer” and attach an explanatory text (like “when lights show ‘this’ stop here”, or “don’t jump from bridge to river, water is shallow”)

Well there are essentially only 4 motorways in PL,
A1 south of Gdansk, A2 starts before Poznan and finishes at Lodz, A4 D border to Krakow and A6 from D border to Szczecin. There are some dual carriageways though.
A2/E30 is the one you’ll be most likely going.

the roads are not as good in places, ,and you will need to
adjust your speed of travelling, as posted before yes the 16–17 hrs sounds
okay , but you may encounter problems along the way
as the A2 is a well used route, would be worth say
driving as far Berlin area and then take night out
and travel on the next day well refreshed to cope
with the polish roads and traffic,
by the way keep your speed down and drive
legal the police be it German or Polish
will take you money with open hands and a smile
as they fill out the paperwork for the Fine(S),

HomoFaber:
The major difference from UK being that there’s “compulsory equipment”, similar to other european countries, so tow rope, warnign triangle, first aid kit, spare bulbs, fire extinguisher, hi-viz vest… documents as usual. Winter tyres can be useful if the weather goes wintery.
It’s EU and Schengen so you don’t stop at the broder anymore. However, customs guys are around looking for smuggled ■■■■ and booze.

The traffic in Germany can be busy so that may slow you down. There’s also missing stretch of motorway - from the D border to about halfway to Poznan.
Anyway, Calais-Lodz in ~17hrs sounds reasonable to me (comfy 120km/h right up the PL border with occassional slowdowns due to roadworks, pileups, busy traffic, 10-20min stop every 3-4hrs). You’ll (have to) slow down right after border, but don’t be surprised when EVERYBODY will overtake you, the Poles are nation of overtakers. Oh, don’t forget to pull onto verge to allow for overtaking, there’s imaginary third lane on single carriageways.

Re your 2nd question: no, they don’t :slight_smile: (well, unless it’s something serious, like get your vignette here)
Traffic sings are pictograms, clear to everyone at first glance. Only in some countries they need to “make it clearer” and attach an explanatory text (like “when lights show ‘this’ stop here”, or “don’t jump from bridge to river, water is shallow”)

Cheers for all that. Yeah I know about the risks of holdups in Germany - I’ve driven to Hannover a few times with up to three hours difference in travel time. 15ish mins stop every 3-4 sounds like a good plan - I’ll go for longer stretches if I feel able and safe, but if that would give a 17hour drive that sounds reasonable. I’d stick to all speed limits (apart from ignoring the ‘recommended’ on the autobahn on certain stretches), as I don’t want the hassle of fines etc. As to the ‘make it clearer’ comment, I’m guessing you’re referring to countries where they have to put warnings like ‘may become hot to the touch’ on irons.

HomoFaber:
Well there are essentially only 4 motorways in PL,
A1 south of Gdansk, A2 starts before Poznan and finishes at Lodz, A4 D border to Krakow and A6 from D border to Szczecin. There are some dual carriageways though.
A2/E30 is the one you’ll be most likely going.

Yes the E30 is the route…so it’s only m/way from near Poznan…thanks for all your help…especially this bit:

HomoFaber:
Oh, don’t forget to pull onto verge to allow for overtaking, there’s imaginary third lane on single carriageways.

:laughing:

brit pete:
the roads are not as good in places, ,and you will need to
adjust your speed of travelling, as posted before yes the 16–17 hrs sounds
okay , but you may encounter problems along the way
as the A2 is a well used route, would be worth say
driving as far Berlin area and then take night out
and travel on the next day well refreshed to cope
with the polish roads and traffic,
by the way keep your speed down and drive
legal the police be it German or Polish
will take you money with open hands and a smile
as they fill out the paperwork for the Fine(S),

Thanks again pete - all noted. I wasn’t planning on overnighting en route although I would if I got too tired. In fact I also have to fix up a meeting in Groningen so if I can tie up the dates I’d do that first, overnight there and then head to Kolo next day.

Cheers again…M

Hello Martin, I guess you cross at Frankfurt Odder, you will get 120Km of A road before you pick up the toll motorway. Its not to bad for an A road, but everyone will be driving faster than you might feel comfortable with, I think thats the kindest way to put it. The road signs are not in English, but look out for Foto Radar on a blue sign, there are lots of cameras now installed on that stretch, you may feel that as you are on non PL plates that you are immune, but the Police do monitor the cameras remotely and and you may find some police waiting for you further up the road. The Police do stop often and you must have all documents, insurance etc, like the rest of Europe you need spare bulbs, triangle, all the items mentioned. We went onto winter wheels a couple of weeks ago, already had some snow. I would think you will be fine on this road though, but check the weather before.

Oncoming traffic will flash headlights to warn of manned speed traps and remember to have your lights on at all times. You will see a sort of half a hard shoulder, if someone is trying to get past and they will, try to run into the hard shoulder and let them by, its normal, they will do this with oncoming traffic, so please its normal here. On this stretch of road are many places to eat and all pretty good, but English may not be spoken, I stop there, its cheap and good food.

Once you hit the motorway there is a Orlens service station 20km or so in, its going to be more like the western service area and they seem to speak good English there and the restaurant is quite good. You will go through 3 or 4 toll booths on the motorway, I can’t remember, as you come off the motorway at Konin, (its Kolo Miasto you go too■■?) so you might miss the last toll booth, should be £6ish for a car. Let me know if you come further south, we are an hour below Łodz :smiley: We have friends is Konin, so if your planning to stay overnight, they might know a motel. Have fun…

Excellent info drew - thank you very much for taking the time to post! I’ll be sure to do the hard shoulder thing if anything wants to overtake and I take good heed of your advice about speed cameras and places to stop for food etc.

Cheers…M

HomoFaber:
The major difference from UK being that there’s “compulsory equipment”, similar to other european countries, so tow rope

NO TOW ROPE REQUIRED

warnign triangle

Required, but if it’s not required in country of car registration you can fight the ticket… But it’s not worth the hassle…

first aid kit

No first aid kit required, unless you are carrying people for hire or reward

spare bulbs, fire extinguisher,

As warning triangle. For fire extinguisher you have to be able to show certificate of homologation and that it’s valid (the fire extinguishers have to go through some kind of MOT from time to time, so if you don’t have one, buy it in Poland… But I never bother with that. When I go to Poland I carry only warning triangle and hi vis with me and some basic first aid kit - for my own safety.

hi-viz vest…

For lorries and buses only (but it was about to change, I stand to be corrected)

documents as usual.

Which means: Driving license, registration documents, proof of insurance, MOT certificate (if required) - by that I mean if your car is brand new, you don’t need that.

Winter tyres can be useful if the weather goes wintery.

Yep, altough I never used any :slight_smile: If you don’t want to go to the mountains, you can drive on all-season ones. If it becomes really wintery, you will need a snowmobile anyway :slight_smile:

It’s EU and Schengen so you don’t stop at the broder anymore.

But you have to slow down and stop if required.

However, customs guys are around looking for smuggled ■■■■ and booze.

And they have right to stop you everywhere in the country.

The traffic in Germany can be busy so that may slow you down. There’s also missing stretch of motorway - from the D border to about halfway to Poznan.
Anyway, Calais-Lodz in ~17hrs sounds reasonable to me (comfy 120km/h right up the PL border with occassional slowdowns due to roadworks, pileups, busy traffic, 10-20min stop every 3-4hrs). You’ll (have to) slow down right after border, but don’t be surprised when EVERYBODY will overtake you, the Poles are nation of overtakers. Oh, don’t forget to pull onto verge to allow for overtaking, there’s imaginary third lane on single carriageways.

yup!

As for “imaginary lane” the commons are as follows:
You can pull over to the hard shoulder to let the fastest pass, when the hard shoulder has broken lane. Don’t do it in other case. Don’t do it at night, as there might be cyclist without the lights, pedestrians, animals, parked cars etc.

It’s not really legal, but tolerated by police if you will follow this rule. You propably will have to do it regardless of if you like it or not, becouse oncoming vehicles will start overtaking with assumption that you’ll do and your only alternative will be head on crash :wink:

Re your 2nd question: no, they don’t :slight_smile: (well, unless it’s something serious, like get your vignette here)
Traffic sings are pictograms, clear to everyone at first glance. Only in some countries they need to “make it clearer” and attach an explanatory text (like “when lights show ‘this’ stop here”, or “don’t jump from bridge to river, water is shallow”)

But you have to know some, are some are common:
“NIe dotyczy” - means “not apply” or “except”.

No parking sign with “nie dotyczy chodnika” means that you can park on the pavement.

“Niewidomi” means blind people.
“NIepeÅ‚nosprawni” - disabled.
“GÅ‚usi” - deaf

Under some signs (like “no parking”) you can meet additional signs with arrows. arrow up means that it starts here, arrow down means it’s ends there, arrow up and down means you can’t park nor before, nor after the sign. You also have to become familiar with this sign:
.
This is basically it:

and according to the red graffiti on the sign, it’s “■■■■■■■ bloody deep” :wink:
Last time when I was drivng A2 near Åšwiebodzin (so the stretch of the road you will be driving) I grounded few times and I was affraid that I will loose my exhaust, so I took the secondary road. It was nearly two years ago… It’s very annoying to drive and bloody danger in rain, as it’s very easy to catch some aquaplanning when water gets to it. Try to avoid driving your wheels in it and try rather to have them under the middle of your car.

HomoFaber:
Well there are essentially only 4 motorways in PL,
A1 south of Gdansk, A2 starts before Poznan and finishes at Lodz, A4 D border to Krakow and A6 from D border to Szczecin. There are some dual carriageways though.
A2/E30 is the one you’ll be most likely going.

There is also A18 from the D border in Olszyna to A4, which goes to Zgorzelec/Goerlitz. So we even have a motorway junction! And some other silly short bits :wink:

Don’t be suprised that motorway exits are all signposted as motorway junctions and that they have as stupid and not related to surrounding area names as possible :wink:

brit pete:
driving as far Berlin area and then take night out
and travel on the next day well refreshed to cope
with the polish roads and traffic,

That what I would do. Driving in Poland after 20 hours spent behind the wheel - no, no.

But consider staying overnight in Slubice or somewhere just after Polish border, it will be cheaper.

drew128:
Oncoming traffic will flash headlights to warn of manned speed traps and remember to have your lights on at all times.

Yes!

On this stretch of road are many places to eat and all pretty good, but English may not be spoken, I stop there, its cheap and good food.

Look for the places where many lorries are parked - there is usually good and cheap food. I recommend Mostki Truck Stop, i used to work near there on the scout camp and we were sometimes dinning there - it was always good, much and cheap, altough not too posh. Avoid fancy looking places with empty car parks and places with red bulb over the doors, as these are usually brothels (or, to be PC, “Socialising agencies :smiley:”) for truckers (unless you are keen to get some fun and catch some HIV, off course).

And last but not least: you HAVE to have your GB sticker on (or sticker of the country your car is registered in, unless it’s Poland :stuck_out_tongue:) and you have to apply correction stickers to your headligths.

Please, next time don’t hesistate to PM or even phone me, as I am not checking this particular forum too often. :slight_smile:

drew you do need a first aid kit, spare bulbs , hi-viz vest (for every person in the vehicle);WINTER tyres or tyres marked with the snow logo are required by
law in Germany in winter weather,also snow chains must be used on the roads which have the following sign posted here;THE CAR MUST BE PREPARED FOR WINTER WEATHER this is law
in germany,in the winter months,

as for Fire extinguisher the carriage is recommended,

brit pete:
drew you do need a first aid kit, spare bulbs , hi-viz vest (for every person in the vehicle);WINTER tyres or tyres marked with the snow logo are required by
law in Germany in winter weather,also snow chains must be used on the roads which have the following sign posted here;THE CAR MUST BE PREPARED FOR WINTER WEATHER this is law
in germany,in the winter months,

as for Fire extinguisher the carriage is recommended,

Actually Germans cant’ force you to have winter tyres, as they are not the legal requirement for cars there. But if you will stuck somewhere and block the road becouse you can’t start due to having summer tyres on, or if you cause an accident you might be fined for driving with car not suitable for the weather condition. But if you have all-season tyres, you should be all right.

That myth was very popular in Poland last year and this information I have from a good source in Germany. Also, my friends lives in Germany and they do not use winter tyres.

Also, over an year ago there was something called “First aid kit war” between Poland and Germany and we won this time. Basically speaking, Polish-registered cars were fined in Germany for not having first aid kit. So Poland started to fine all German-registered cars for not having a fire extinguisher. Germans protested, arguing that if such thing is not required by law of the country where the car is registered, Poland can’t demand such equipment from German cars. Poland then said “OK, we will cancel this fines, if you cancel your fines for a Polish cars without first aid kit”. There were some legal checks done and it turned up that according to Wienna convention from 1968 your car must be equiped according to regulations of the country of registration. Therefore such demands are no longer made to foreign registered cars, nor in Germany, nor in Poland. So I don’t carry any rubbish with me, but I carry what I find useful, as I mentioned above and noone can do anyting to me, altough you can always meet some moron in uniform, therefore if you are not ready to discuss that question, it might be better to carry everything. But in that case all fines were returned!

Source for all what I just wrote: wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/Wiadomosci/ … 84546.html (sorry, Polish only).

Oyrs it is a legal requirement to be compliment with
the rules as regards winter weather and your car or
lorry, M&S tyres with the snow flake are excepted or
winter tyres, if you are not using such tyres and have
problems, it can become a very big problem, as the Germans
do not take ignorance as a excuse,
try this scenario , snowing and you have caused a accident
3people are injured, because your car due to its summer tyres,
could not stop in time, you will not get a €40 fine here,

a first aid kit is a requirement for Germany by law
and a few other country as well that you will pass through,
by the way we get billed €5 for every bit missing from
the kit when checked by a policeman in Germany,

brit pete:
Oyrs it is a legal requirement to be compliment with
the rules as regards winter weather and your car or
lorry, M&S tyres with the snow flake are excepted or
winter tyres, if you are not using such tyres and have
problems, it can become a very big problem, as the Germans
do not take ignorance as a excuse,

Yes, and obviously they are not covering their own Polizei officers ignorance, hence, as you can read in article linked by me (if you can read it Polish) they were returning all fines collected from Polish drivers for not having a first aid kit, as they weren’t legally issued.

And saying that I DO agree, that it’s better to carry the first aid kit worth few quids than waste time arguing with angry german policeman on the spot… But the law is as I said.

try this scenario , snowing and you have caused a accident
3people are injured, because your car due to its summer tyres,
could not stop in time, you will not get a €40 fine here,

Summer tyres - YES, as they are not suitable for Winter. Therefore your car was not legal to drive in such conditions. All-season tyres - not. These are suitable for all seasons, so for winter as well.

a first aid kit is a requirement for Germany by law
and a few other country as well that you will pass through,
by the way we get billed €5 for every bit missing from
the kit when checked by a policeman in Germany,

This is all depends of how law is made. In some countries law requires THE DRIVER DRIVING IN THIS COUNTRY to carry things such as hi-vis jackets for every person in the car, or, say, two warning triangles. German law is constructed that CAR has to be fitted with the first aid kit. According to Vienna convention, they have to respect cars from other Vienna-convetion member states as long as these cars are legal to drive there and are complment with the rules of country of registration.

This is the same rule which apply to the RHD cars in Poland: RHD car in Poland is illegal to register, you can’t pass MOT if you have steering wheel on the “wrong” side. Yet, if your car is registered in the country where that’s legal (like UK or Germany), you can drive it in Poland and noone can do anything to you, as altough this car is not fit to drive under Polish standards, it’s legal in the country of registration and therefore they have to respect it.