Police snub british vehicles

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ONLY one in five British police cars are made in this country, shock figures reveal.

Eighty per cent of the Essex force’s fleet is built in Germany, such as BMWs from Munich.

Not a single car driven by Dorset cops is produced in the UK, it was revealed.

Yet in France, about 85 per cent of police cars are homegrown marques such as Renault or Peugeot.

One British force shows it is possible to be patriotic – 74 per cent of Thames Valley’s cars are UK-built. Auto Express magazine’s findings – from a Freedom of Information request to 21 forces – show just 22 per cent of all cop vehicles are made here.

Most are either Vauxhall Astras from Ellesmere Port, Cheshire, Ford Transit vans made in Southampton, Hondas from Swindon, Wilts, or the odd high-performance Jaguar built in Birmingham.

Each force can choose which vehicles it buys from their budgets.

Cops say they choose vehicles for specs such as top speed, acceleration, handling and emissions rather than their nationality.

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There probably isn’t such a thing as an all British made car now as there would have been on the police fleets during the 1970’s in the case of Jaguar/Rover/Triumph.A British assembled car containing lots of foreign manufactured componentry made by a foreign owned firm is about as close as it gets now.Ironically ever since Thatcher effectively closed down our manufacturing industry helped in large part in her election victories by the Sun. :unamused:

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Plenty of Astras about, some Range Rovers, not a lot else of use to the old bill made here, Toyota don’t make a fast enough estate car for Traffic use, ditto Nissans Sunderland semi Renault stuff.

Can’t see Jags in service lasting like Volvos or BMWs.

Not as it matters any more, Patriotism is now a dirty word last used with pride in the 80s except when it comes to sport, those at the very top don’t put Britain first indeed they sold and gave away our national wealth/pride and our country without a shot being fired, why should anyone else bother.

Sooner the place goes bankrupt the better, British publics apathy might actually get woken up when the benefit cheques bounce and the lights go out.

Carryfast:
There probably isn’t such a thing as an all British made car now as there would have been on the police fleets during the 1970’s in the case of Jaguar/Rover/Triumph.A British assembled car containing lots of foreign manufactured componentry made by a foreign owned firm is about as close as it gets now.Ironically ever since Thatcher effectively closed down our manufacturing industry helped in large part in her election victories by the Sun. :unamused:

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dont forget the big part played by the unions too :wink: :laughing:

Current UK Car manufacturers:
AC (1908-present)
Ariel (1999-present)
Ascari (1995-present)
Aston Martin (1921-present)
Bentley(1919-present)
Berkeley(1956-1961) (1991-present)
BAC (2009-present)
Bristol (1946-present)
Brooke (1901-1913) (1991-present)
Caparo (2006-present)
Caterham (1973-present)
Connaught Motor Company (2004-present)
Daimler (1896-present)
Farboud (2004-present)
Ginetta (1957-present)
Grinnall (1993-present)
Invicta (1900-1905) (1913-1914) (1925-1950)(2004-present)
Jaguar (1945-present)
JZR (1989-1998, 2000-present)
Land Rover (1948-present)
Lea-Francis (1903-1906; 1920-1935; 1937-1952; 1980-present)
Lister (1954-1959; 1986-present)
Locost (1995-present)
Lotus (1951-present)
McLaren (1969-1970; 1993-1998; 2005-Present)
MINI (1959-2000) (2001-present)
MK Indy (1996-present)
Morgan (1910-present)
Noble (1998-present)
Nova (1971-present)
Prodrive (1984-present)
Radical (1997-present)
Rolls-Royce (1904-present)
Trident (1965-1978) (1999-present)
Triking (1978-present)
TVR (1954-present)
Ultima (1992-present)
Vauxhall (1903-present)
Westfield (1982-present)

Out of that list how many do you think are actually suitable for use as Police cars? Those that are are already used by Police forces.

Forces choose their cars for price, reliability etc.

BMW heavily discount their cars, a 5 series is cheaper than the list price for an Astra for example. Big manufacturers can afford to do that. Those manufacturers that sell a lot of cars to Police forces also have designated specifications from the factory for police vehicles. Vauxhall used to for the Senator.

Juddian:
Plenty of Astras about, some Range Rovers, not a lot else of use to the old bill made here, Toyota don’t make a fast enough estate car for Traffic use, ditto Nissans Sunderland semi Renault stuff.

Can’t see Jags in service lasting like Volvos or BMWs.

Not as it matters any more, Patriotism is now a dirty word last used with pride in the 80s except when it comes to sport, those at the very top don’t put Britain first indeed they sold and gave away our national wealth/pride and our country without a shot being fired, why should anyone else bother.

Sooner the place goes bankrupt the better, British publics apathy might actually get woken up when the benefit cheques bounce and the lights go out.

Ironically it’s that mistaken idea that a BMW or Volvo would last longer than a Jag in service,wether in the Leyland days or now,that helped to put the place where it is today.From the emergency vehicle point of view it’s usually been the case that the same amount of money would buy a faster Jag than it would in the case of a BMW let alone a Volvo with no evidence that Jags won’t survive as long as those types.

flickr.com/photos/kenjonbro/4697882048/

flickr.com/photos/38389354@N07/4892987267/

romar.org.uk/page362.html

i wouldnt say british police snub british cars, its just nowadays with budget cuts they have to shop around to get the best deal. i know merseyside police have switched from the ford focus to the hyundai i30 because hyundai give them a free wiring pack for all there computers and lights and sirens and ■■■■.

cant help but think they would be able to afford a faster fleet of cars if they would stop buying x5’s. they have to be a waste of money because all i see the officers driving round in them do is pose.

Carryfast:

Juddian:
Plenty of Astras about, some Range Rovers, not a lot else of use to the old bill made here, Toyota don’t make a fast enough estate car for Traffic use, ditto Nissans Sunderland semi Renault stuff.

Can’t see Jags in service lasting like Volvos or BMWs.

Not as it matters any more, Patriotism is now a dirty word last used with pride in the 80s except when it comes to sport, those at the very top don’t put Britain first indeed they sold and gave away our national wealth/pride and our country without a shot being fired, why should anyone else bother.

Sooner the place goes bankrupt the better, British publics apathy might actually get woken up when the benefit cheques bounce and the lights go out.

Ironically it’s that mistaken idea that a BMW or Volvo would last longer than a Jag in service,wether in the Leyland days or now,that helped to put the place where it is today.From the emergency vehicle point of view it’s usually been the case that the same amount of money would buy a faster Jag than it would in the case of a BMW let alone a Volvo with no evidence that Jags won’t survive as long as those types.

flickr.com/photos/kenjonbro/4697882048/

flickr.com/photos/38389354@N07/4892987267/

romar.org.uk/page362.html

Unfortunately in the Leyland days when quality hit an all time low, due equally to ■■■■ poor management and half wit union practices, the difference in quality was planets apart.

Hampshire were one of the first to use BMW 2500/2800s, very soon they established themsleves as able to cover 250k miles with only routine servicing, tyres/friction materials and one clutch change.
I’d be astounded if a single SD1 Rover ever made it to that mileage, my SD1 goes down in my mind as simply the worse car i have ever owned, it was rubbish, knackered at 60k with water pouring into teh cabin from all over and mechanical failures faster than than they could be fixed.

Rovers were terrible vehicles and getting worse, their saviour was Honda which put the quality back in the product via the excellent 2.7V6 engine, i owned an ex police driving school 827si manual for some years, a very fast and very good car, mechanically top notch and severely underrated.

Corporate greed saw Honda dumped and BMW allowed to cherry pick what they wanted.

The rest is history, just as with most of the rest of our industry.

Juddian:

Carryfast:

Juddian:
Plenty of Astras about, some Range Rovers, not a lot else of use to the old bill made here, Toyota don’t make a fast enough estate car for Traffic use, ditto Nissans Sunderland semi Renault stuff.

Can’t see Jags in service lasting like Volvos or BMWs.

Not as it matters any more, Patriotism is now a dirty word last used with pride in the 80s except when it comes to sport, those at the very top don’t put Britain first indeed they sold and gave away our national wealth/pride and our country without a shot being fired, why should anyone else bother.

Sooner the place goes bankrupt the better, British publics apathy might actually get woken up when the benefit cheques bounce and the lights go out.

Ironically it’s that mistaken idea that a BMW or Volvo would last longer than a Jag in service,wether in the Leyland days or now,that helped to put the place where it is today.From the emergency vehicle point of view it’s usually been the case that the same amount of money would buy a faster Jag than it would in the case of a BMW let alone a Volvo with no evidence that Jags won’t survive as long as those types.

flickr.com/photos/kenjonbro/4697882048/

flickr.com/photos/38389354@N07/4892987267/

romar.org.uk/page362.html

Unfortunately in the Leyland days when quality hit an all time low, due equally to ■■■■ poor management and half wit union practices, the difference in quality was planets apart.

Hampshire were one of the first to use BMW 2500/2800s, very soon they established themsleves as able to cover 250k miles with only routine servicing, tyres/friction materials and one clutch change.
I’d be astounded if a single SD1 Rover ever made it to that mileage, my SD1 goes down in my mind as simply the worse car i have ever owned, it was rubbish, knackered at 60k with water pouring into teh cabin from all over and mechanical failures faster than than they could be fixed.

Rovers were terrible vehicles and getting worse, their saviour was Honda which put the quality back in the product via the excellent 2.7V6 engine, i owned an ex police driving school 827si manual for some years, a very fast and very good car, mechanically top notch and severely underrated.

Corporate greed saw Honda dumped and BMW allowed to cherry pick what they wanted.

The rest is history, just as with most of the rest of our industry.

As I’ve said in numerous similar topics I ran a 1970’s BMW 3.0 Si for a number of years and from a police patrol car,or ( very fast :smiling_imp: :laughing: ) long distance continental touring,point of view it took well over 5,000 rpm,( closer to 6,000 actually ) to make 130 mph + because even though it came from the land of unlimited autobahns it only had a four speed box together with excessively low final drive gearing to make it’s acceleration better than it would have been with the slower 2500/2800 being fitted with an even lower final drive :open_mouth: .Added to which it rusted a bad as any FIAT of the day and parts cost a fortune.In addition to which the thing cost a fortune for it’s first owner who I bought it off because of it’s original high purchase price,compared to a Jag and subsequent depreciation.

Now compare that with a much cheaper to buy Jag XJ6,( let alone XJ12 ),with manual and overdrive transmission and it’s better handling because of it’s superior rack and pinion steering and wishbone all round suspension as opposed to semi trailing arm rear and old Ford type steering box set up and McPherson struts front on the BM.

Which is why,contrary to all the bs,I’m still using an old early 1980’s Leyland built XJ12 to this day albeit in even faster modified form using bigger engine capacity and manual box which would have been available back in the day to any police force still for less money than the BM would have cost.

While ironically it was actually owing to the fact that Rover went from rear wheel drive V8’s to front wheel drive Jap crap that made the police look elsewhere having used Rovers for years.

Jeez CF, did you live in the same 70’s/80’s Britain as me or was i in a parallel dimension.

Jap Crap? WTF, i think that says it all, you live in fantasy land, i’ll live in reality.

Juddian:
Jeez CF, did you live in the same 70’s/80’s Britain as me or was i in a parallel dimension.

Jap Crap? WTF, i think that says it all, you live in fantasy land, i’ll live in reality.

No as I remember it and to date it’s usually been quick rear drive cars which the police usually go for if they’ve got any sense.Which put Rover out of the frame years ago and that’s why BMW are still there with many police forces to this day with Jaguar now making a long overdue large scale come back at least on our local force.

Carryfast:

Juddian:
Jeez CF, did you live in the same 70’s/80’s Britain as me or was i in a parallel dimension.

Jap Crap? WTF, i think that says it all, you live in fantasy land, i’ll live in reality.

No as I remember it and to date it’s usually been quick rear drive cars which the police usually go for if they’ve got any sense.Which put Rover out of the frame years ago and that’s why BMW are still there with many police forces to this day with Jaguar now making a long overdue large scale come back at least on our local force.

I thought PC Plod only had a bicycle in Toytown :smiley:

I can’t help feeling the FOI request has been used to highlight the wrong issue. Ok so the 43 forces in England & Wales have fleets the are made up from an assortment of mainly none British built cars, vans and motorcycles, so what?

The real issue it highlights is that each of the 43 forces has fleets mad up of completely different vehicles… WHY?

Doesn’t a normal patrol car in Devon & Cornwall do the same job as a patrol car in North Yorkshire?. Do Merseyside vans no carry prisoners just like a Kent van? Doesn’t a traffic car in ■■■■■■■ have to do the same speeds as a traffic car in West Midlands etc?

So why are each force wasting time and reducing budgets having fleet user meetings then buying limited numbers for their own force ? Instead they should be buying their fleet collectively for all 43 forces at a massive discount. The money they save from their individual fleet budgets could then go back into funding police officers on the front line rather than cutting their numbers as thy are doing.

Carryfast owned one BMW in the 70’s therefore we should all sit up a listen people, he knows best. Just like he does on international work with his extensive European experience.

I’m surely not the only one who’s surprised that carryfast has not decided in his wisdom that the old bill should be using rear wheel drive yank motors :grimacing: or why dont they use the railways lol as every other discussion these answers seem to get used

I miss the jaguar JAM BUTTIES chasing us down the motorway! :grimacing: :grimacing: :grimacing: :grimacing: :grimacing:

It might be worth remembering CF that Essex use Mitsubishi Evo’s (they’ve been on the telly!) and I believe a lot of emergency bikes are Honda’s. They’re hardly crap are they?

I understand quite a few motorway patrol cars are Range Rovers but BMW and Volvo make fast, reliable cars, which is why they are bought predominantly.

The fact the French buy PSA vehicles is hardly surprising - the French use and buy French wether it is any good or not.

And I’m sorry CF to say it, it pains me to say it, but most Old Brit cars were ■■■■■■
Hillman Imp, Vauxhall Chevette anyone?

The unions were the main cause of Brit manufacturing’s downfall - constant strikes over petty quarrels, bizarre working practices etc etc.

Let it go for heaven’s sake. :wink:

Andydisco:
I’m surely not the only one who’s surprised that carryfast has not decided in his wisdom that the old bill should be using rear wheel drive yank motors :grimacing:

If I was a police driver I’d be happy with either the Charger or the Caprice. :smiling_imp: :smiley: :wink:

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No doubt the Brits would only want the poverty spec fwd 288 hp version of the Taurus though. :smiling_imp: :unamused: :laughing:

All cars now days are not made by the same people. Take Ford for example they have parts from Volvo and no doubt other cars have the same thing from other makers.

The Police should use the Austin Allegro and Maxi.Or the Morris Ital.A fine high speed pursuit vehicle built by proud Uk workers that would down tools for any reason and walk out.
The cars were designed by a drunk.Breaking down was a common occurence.
The Chrisler Alpine.The Mini Metro.All skips on wheels.