Car driver should have got a move on with their manoeuvre instead of easing off.
Truck driver should have anticipated the merging car and either backed off or changed lanes.
It’s the selfish attitude amongst all drivers that causes this.
Hopefully both drivers learnt a valuable lesson.
what was the truck driver’s lesson?
Probably none until the next time when it might not be a civic driver who tries to merge into the non existent and closing gap which the truck driver had created but it might be the truck in front that makes an emergency stop for whatever reason.No doubt there’s plenty on here who’d say no problem there’s more than enough room there to stop in time in that case.
50 to 0 in a few seconds full 44 tonne loaded. truck stops but load didnt even though fully strapped. the gforce involved works out at weight or force (W) = 3540556800 newton .
Philgor has it. How can anyone say the truck driver even knew the car was there, not that it was his responsibility to avoid it, even if he saw it and the lane to his right was clear? The car driver had a duty to save his/herself and not try to take on a truck! I’d really like to know why didn’t they accelerate away once they were ahead of the truck, which would have prevented an interesting video from occurring. It was their choice to try to enter a lane where another vehicle already was, therefore, presumably through their own incompetence. for whatever reason, the car driver is entirely to blame for this accident. Perhaps they were under the mistaken impression that the truck driver had seen them and would give way - wrong on both counts IMO. Again, the camera does not lie.
Car driver should have got a move on with their manoeuvre instead of easing off.
Truck driver should have anticipated the merging car and either backed off or changed lanes.
It’s the selfish attitude amongst all drivers that causes this.
Hopefully both drivers learnt a valuable lesson.
Obviously the car driver can pull out, safe in the knowledge that in the impending carnage, if he/she survives, he/she can put half the blame on the truck driver.
Suspect the car driver has pulled this off a number of times before but the trucks have always given way.
Car driver should have got a move on with their manoeuvre instead of easing off.
Truck driver should have anticipated the merging car and either backed off or changed lanes.
It’s the selfish attitude amongst all drivers that causes this.
Hopefully both drivers learnt a valuable lesson.
Obviously the car driver can pull out, safe in the knowledge that in the impending carnage, if he/she survives, he/she can put half the blame on the truck driver.
Suspect the car driver has pulled this off a number of times before but the trucks have always given way.
In which case what happens in the same type of situation but this time it involves a truck or a coach trying to enter from a slip road.In which case things would have turned out a bit different.I suppose now you’re going to say that the same type of situation would never happen in the case of it being a truck entering from a slip road instead of a car.
The fact is that type of scenario can happen numerous times at numerous junctions on any long motorway run and using your logic I could have wiped out numerous cars ( and trucks ) ( and myself ) on the basis that priority means everything. Instead of treating slip roads as a hazard which need to be treated with a flexible view,especially in the case of allowing sufficient seperation distances for traffic to merge safely from an entry slip road.
There’s a big difference between an accident caused because of a failure by traffic on the priority road to allow sufficient seperation space between vehicles for traffic to merge safely from a slip road compared to one involving a simple case of failure to give way.The facts in this case seem to show that it’s the former not the latter that caused the accident.
Curryfart again you state something that is so wrong on every level
Therefore I’d blame the accident mostlty on the seperation distance between the trucks which didn’t allow for even a safe stopping distance let alone the inevitable merging of traffic from lane 2 of the slip road and the ridiculous idea of two lane entry slip roads.All of which would have left the car in lane 2 with just the option of causing an obstruction in lane 2 of the entry slip by having to anchor up to avoid an accident which could foreseeably cause a shunt on the slip road itself.
I think you need to read the highway code which i quote for you
259
Joining the motorway. When you join the motorway you will normally approach it from a road on the left (a slip road) or from an adjoining motorway. You should
give priority to traffic already on the motorway
check the traffic on the motorway and match your speed to fit safely into the traffic flow in the left-hand lane
not cross solid white lines that separate lanes or use the hard shoulder
stay on the slip road if it continues as an extra lane on the motorway
remain in the left-hand lane long enough to adjust to the speed of traffic before considering overtaking
So the Lorry drivers are not at fault at all. It was the muppet driving the car who is to blame for that as he didn’t think or use his head whilst driving and joining a busy motorway.
Edit: just noticed spanky had quoted the highway code to, but hey at least curryfart is having another read of it.
Carryfast:
The fact is that type of scenario can happen numerous times at numerous junctions on any long motorway run and using your logic I could have wiped out numerous cars ( and trucks ) ( and myself ) on the basis that priority means everything. Instead of treating slip roads as a hazard which need to be treated with a flexible view,especially in the case of allowing sufficient seperation distances for traffic to merge safely from an entry slip road.
I think I need to have a lie down because I’m agreeing with you here Carry
Sure the car driver was ultimately and legally responsible but the lorry driver could have done a lot to prevent that accident. Better to be the “bigger man” so to speak than trash your wagon and deal with the paperwork and aftermath. We’re supposed to be the professionals here after all
It makes me wonder if there shouldn’t be an element of psychological testing involved with getting and maintaining LGV licences judging by some of the responses on this thread, the site in general and on the road experience.
Carryfast:
The fact is that type of scenario can happen numerous times at numerous junctions on any long motorway run and using your logic I could have wiped out numerous cars ( and trucks ) ( and myself ) on the basis that priority means everything. Instead of treating slip roads as a hazard which need to be treated with a flexible view,especially in the case of allowing sufficient seperation distances for traffic to merge safely from an entry slip road.
I think I need to have a lie down because I’m agreeing with you here Carry
Sure the car driver was ultimately and legally responsible but the lorry driver could have done a lot to prevent that accident. Better to be the “bigger man” so to speak than trash your wagon and deal with the paperwork and aftermath. We’re supposed to be the professionals here after all
Do you think the lorry drivers seen him? I’m not so sure, that camera is mounted high up and in the middle and shows more than the driver could see. Remember that Arclid driver going along for miles with a car on his front?
Carryfast:
The fact is that type of scenario can happen numerous times at numerous junctions on any long motorway run and using your logic I could have wiped out numerous cars ( and trucks ) ( and myself ) on the basis that priority means everything. Instead of treating slip roads as a hazard which need to be treated with a flexible view,especially in the case of allowing sufficient seperation distances for traffic to merge safely from an entry slip road.
I think I need to have a lie down because I’m agreeing with you here Carry
Sure the car driver was ultimately and legally responsible but the lorry driver could have done a lot to prevent that accident. Better to be the “bigger man” so to speak than trash your wagon and deal with the paperwork and aftermath. We’re supposed to be the professionals here after all
Do you think the lorry drivers seen him? I’m not so sure, that camera is mounted high up and in the middle and shows more than the driver could see. Remember that Arclid driver going along for miles with a car on his front?
That’s what properly adjusted mirrors and correct use of them, combined with a little bit of expectation and anticipation is for Mike. Don’t know about you but I would have been keeping a wary eye on the slip road for nimrods like the civic driver. Blind spots are nominal these days and things have to pass through an awful lot of non blind spot to get to them.
mickyblue:
Curryfart again you state something that is so wrong on every level
Therefore I’d blame the accident mostlty on the seperation distance between the trucks which didn’t allow for even a safe stopping distance let alone the inevitable merging of traffic from lane 2 of the slip road and the ridiculous idea of two lane entry slip roads.All of which would have left the car in lane 2 with just the option of causing an obstruction in lane 2 of the entry slip by having to anchor up to avoid an accident which could foreseeably cause a shunt on the slip road itself.
I think you need to read the highway code which i quote for you
259
Joining the motorway. When you join the motorway you will normally approach it from a road on the left (a slip road) or from an adjoining motorway. You should
give priority to traffic already on the motorway
check the traffic on the motorway and match your speed to fit safely into the traffic flow in the left-hand lane
not cross solid white lines that separate lanes or use the hard shoulder
stay on the slip road if it continues as an extra lane on the motorway
remain in the left-hand lane long enough to adjust to the speed of traffic before considering overtaking
So the Lorry drivers are not at fault at all. It was the muppet driving the car who is to blame for that as he didn’t think or use his head whilst driving and joining a busy motorway.
Edit: just noticed spanky had quoted the highway code to, but hey at least curryfart is having another read of it.
I think the highway code ‘also’ says a lot about speration distances and there’s no way that anyone can ‘match their speed’ and ‘fit safely’ into the ‘traffic flow’ when that ‘traffic flow’ is made up of a load of tailgating tossers as in the case of the truck driver in this case.As for ‘staying on the slip road’ ‘if it continues as an extra lane’ that’s going to be a bit difficult in the case of two lane slip roads seperated by solid lines and chevrons with traffic likely to be in that ‘extra lane’ anyway.
As I’ve said the problem in this case was the result of tailgating not the the car driver doing anything wrong that wasn’t consistent with that highway code merging advice at slip roads.While no surprise that many on here seem to be a bit selective about only commenting about the car driver’s ‘mistake’ ( or ran out of options depending on point of view ) and the fact that the video is ‘also’ eveidence of tailgating in addition to the accident with the car and it would have been interesting to have seen what that video would have shown had the truck in front needed to have made an emergency stop for whatever reason.
billybigrig:
That’s what properly adjusted mirrors and correct use of them, combined with a little bit of expectation and anticipation is for Mike. Don’t know about you but I would have been keeping a wary eye on the slip road for nimrods like the civic driver. Blind spots are nominal these days and things have to pass through an awful lot of non blind spot to get to them.
Yeah, i’d agree the drive should of seen him. I just reckon he never, the onus being on the car to give way makes it pretty much the car drivers fault IMO. I think wether he could of backed off a few clicks or not is academic
Carryfast:
The fact is that type of scenario can happen numerous times at numerous junctions on any long motorway run and using your logic I could have wiped out numerous cars ( and trucks ) ( and myself ) on the basis that priority means everything. Instead of treating slip roads as a hazard which need to be treated with a flexible view,especially in the case of allowing sufficient seperation distances for traffic to merge safely from an entry slip road.
I think I need to have a lie down because I’m agreeing with you here Carry
Sure the car driver was ultimately and legally responsible but the lorry driver could have done a lot to prevent that accident. Better to be the “bigger man” so to speak than trash your wagon and deal with the paperwork and aftermath. We’re supposed to be the professionals here after all
Do you think the lorry drivers seen him? I’m not so sure, that camera is mounted high up and in the middle and shows more than the driver could see. Remember that Arclid driver going along for miles with a car on his front?
He doesn’t need to ‘see anything at all’.All it takes is a bit of anticipation on approach to the slip road.IE it’s a hazard with traffic likely to be merging ahead of me wether I see it or not so back off and make loads of room between me and the truck ahead just in case a coach/truck/car or two needs to merge in front.It’s all about basic survival for everyone concerned on the roads.
billybigrig:
That’s what properly adjusted mirrors and correct use of them, combined with a little bit of expectation and anticipation is for Mike. Don’t know about you but I would have been keeping a wary eye on the slip road for nimrods like the civic driver. Blind spots are nominal these days and things have to pass through an awful lot of non blind spot to get to them.
Yeah, i’d agree the drive should of seen him. I just reckon he never, the onus being on the car to give way makes it pretty much the car drivers fault IMO. I think wether he could of backed off a few clicks or not is academic
Totally agree Mike, I’d just sooner be a bit more observant, ease off and save the hassle. Not just for me but the hundreds of poor sods who’ll be stuck in the ensuing congestion when captain womble and his crew turn up with their cone and hivis fetish
Carryfast:
He doesn’t need to ‘see anything at all’.All it takes is a bit of anticipation on approach to the slip road.IE it’s a hazard with traffic likely to be merging ahead of me wether I see it or not so back off and make loads of room between me and the truck ahead just in case a coach/truck/car or two needs to merge in front.It’s all about basic survival for everyone concerned on the roads.
I can’t really disagree with you. But also a car driver should be able to see if he doesn’t give way he’s going to hit a big lorry?
billybigrig:
That’s what properly adjusted mirrors and correct use of them, combined with a little bit of expectation and anticipation is for Mike. Don’t know about you but I would have been keeping a wary eye on the slip road for nimrods like the civic driver. Blind spots are nominal these days and things have to pass through an awful lot of non blind spot to get to them.
Yeah, i’d agree the drive should of seen him. I just reckon he never, the onus being on the car to give way makes it pretty much the car drivers fault IMO. I think wether he could of backed off a few clicks or not is academic
So if it was a truck that was in the same situation of having run up to speed and needed to merge with traffic on the motorway,which although having the priority,hasn’t left sufficient space between vehicles what then.It’s no good saying the onus was on the vehicle entering.The inevitable results will be just the same but ( a lot ) worse in that case.
Carryfast:
He doesn’t need to ‘see anything at all’.All it takes is a bit of anticipation on approach to the slip road.IE it’s a hazard with traffic likely to be merging ahead of me wether I see it or not so back off and make loads of room between me and the truck ahead just in case a coach/truck/car or two needs to merge in front.It’s all about basic survival for everyone concerned on the roads.
I can’t really disagree with you. But also a car driver should be able to see if he doesn’t give way he’s going to hit a big lorry?
The point I’m making isn’t one of arguing about who has priority it’s the one of sufficient space being left between vehicles to allow other vehicles to merge safely in the case of entry slips roads and joining motorways which are two totally seperate issues.
I think I need to have a lie down because I’m agreeing with you here Carry 
