Although not ideal there was space between the two trucks for the car to go into without causing a collision
Whirlwind:
George@ASDA driver:
Saaamon:
d the lorry driver should also be charged with careless or even dangerous driving as he made no atempt to change lanes or reduce his speed which is all that was needed,.he wasn’t obliged to do this by any means.
Car driver, as said, suicide jockey!!! Got what he deserved! Maybe next time he’ll do his shoulder checks!
You should hand your licence back , being a PROFESSIONAL means you should see acidents before they happen and take action to avoid. Yes there are idiots on the road but you took a professional test so shouldn’t be one of them
I would have moved, because I freely admit I haven’t got the balls to actually continue into an accident if I can avoid it.
I’m sick to the back teeth “taking action” to compensate for these idiots who don’t know what the give way lines mean! 
Conor:
Saaamon:
Diesel dog:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hc5VL2sO9wU
Try againCar driver should be done for careless and the lorry driver should also be charged with careless or even dangerous driving as he made no atempt to change lanes or reduce his speed which is all that was needed, he was clearly trying to stop the car from joining the motorway and his video footage proves this.
You’re assuming the driver saw the car and you’re assuming the driver had a clear lane to his right to move into. The dashed lines at the end of a slip road are a GIVE WAY. The lorry driver didn’t have to do anything.
Any competent driver would have been checking their left mirror whilst going past that slip road and would of easily have seen that car coming, the car driver is most certainly partly to blame but you cant get away from the fact that the lorry driver could have atleast slowed down to avoid what happened.
ROG:
It is the responsibility of every road user to try and avoid an incident if safe and reasonable to do soTo simply say that a driver is legally in the right is not enough to exonerate another driver when they could have safely and reasonably done something to avoid it
+1
George@ASDA driver:
I would have moved, because I freely admit I haven’t got the balls to actually continue into an accident if I can avoid it.I’m sick to the back teeth “taking action” to compensate for these idiots who don’t know what the give way lines mean!
I completely agree and share your frustration with that.
ROG:
Although not ideal there was space between the two trucks for the car to go into without causing a collision
Er no because there needs to be a sufficient seperation distance between the three vehicles during the merging of the car into the gap.To put it another way what would have happened if the truck in front had made an emergency stop if the car had entered the gap closer to the truck in front having reduced the already far too close seperation distance between the trucks by another car length.This accident shows that we need a change in the idea of traffic on slip roads having to give way to one of zip merging applies at entry slip roads and removal of all two lane entry slips.
In which case the seperation distance between vehicles at slip roads would obvously need to reflect the need for traffic to be able to merge safely while maintaining sufficient seperation between them.In which case,as in this example,the problem was mostly the result of the seperation distance between the trucks and a stupid road layout which is obviously likely to put traffic into this type of conflict situation.
Saaamon:
George@ASDA driver:
I would have moved, because I freely admit I haven’t got the balls to actually continue into an accident if I can avoid it.I’m sick to the back teeth “taking action” to compensate for these idiots who don’t know what the give way lines mean!
I completely agree and share your frustration with that.
If you take the give way at slip roads idea to it’s logical conclusion together with such ridiculous seperation distances between trucks etc that won’t allow the safe merging of traffic you’ll end up with the situation of traffic having to enter from slip roads from a standstill having had to stop.Which would effectively make motorway and dual carriageway junctions unsafe to use at motorway and dual carriageway speeds.In which case you’ll need to reduce motorway and dual carriageway speed limits acccordingly. 
Having said that I’m assuming that no one is saying drive a truck through an ordinary road junction,at which traffic enters from a standstill,at motorway/dual type speeds even if there’s a give way line.
Carryfast:
ROG:
Although not ideal there was space between the two trucks for the car to go into without causing a collisionEr no because there needs to be a sufficient seperation distance between the three vehicles during the merging of the car into the gap.To put it another way what would have happened if the truck in front had made an emergency stop if the car had entered the gap closer to the truck in front having reduced the already far too close seperation distance between the trucks by another car length.This accident shows that we need a change in the idea of traffic on slip roads having to give way to one of zip merging applies at entry slip roads and removal of all two lane entry slips.
In which case the seperation distance between vehicles at slip roads would obvously need to reflect the need for traffic to be able to merge safely while maintaining sufficient seperation between them.In which case,as in this example,the problem was mostly the result of the seperation distance between the trucks and a stupid road layout which is obviously likely to put traffic into this type of conflict situation.
I never said it was a safe gap but it was easily a physical gap to go into without hitting anything - the lesser of two evils if you like
Here’s why i’m glad i’ve got a camera, according to the van driver i cut across him!
ashbyspannerman:
Here’s why i’m glad i’ve got a camera, according to the van driver i cut across him!
He probably learned to drive a bit further down the road from your location = belgrave area of leicester !!
You know what I mean …
ashbyspannerman:
Here’s why i’m glad i’ve got a camera, according to the van driver i cut across him!
he came prepared for the accident, he even brought his own bandages 
Only just realised i’ve left the audio on! i wonder if the censor will spot my bad language??
ROG:
Carryfast:
ROG:
Although not ideal there was space between the two trucks for the car to go into without causing a collisionEr no because there needs to be a sufficient seperation distance between the three vehicles during the merging of the car into the gap.To put it another way what would have happened if the truck in front had made an emergency stop if the car had entered the gap closer to the truck in front having reduced the already far too close seperation distance between the trucks by another car length.This accident shows that we need a change in the idea of traffic on slip roads having to give way to one of zip merging applies at entry slip roads and removal of all two lane entry slips.
In which case the seperation distance between vehicles at slip roads would obvously need to reflect the need for traffic to be able to merge safely while maintaining sufficient seperation between them.In which case,as in this example,the problem was mostly the result of the seperation distance between the trucks and a stupid road layout which is obviously likely to put traffic into this type of conflict situation.
I never said it was a safe gap but it was easily a physical gap to go into without hitting anything - the lesser of two evils if you like
From the video as shown it looks like the truck behind was running faster than the one in front because the already too close distance between them was actually closing not increasing.In which case the car driver wouldn’t have been able to enter the gap at a sufficient speed which would have provided the required seperation between the car and the truck behind without running into the truck in front.
The only option in that case would have been to anchor the car up in an emergency stop,assuming the driver didn’t want to cross the chevrons into lane 1 of the slip road,possibly resulting in a video prosecution for crossing chevrons seperating two lanes of traffic likely to be a danger to each other.It would have been interesting to have seen why the car driver couldn’t slow up long before that point and enter from the slip road after letting both trucks go by.It’s my bet that lane 1 was probably full of more tailgating traffic just like the two trucks involved.As I’ve said the answer seems obvious in getting rid of two lane entry slip roads and removal of the give way rule at slip road junctions on motorways and duals to one in which zip merging applies.In which case it’s obvious that traffic entering from a slip road would need to be given sufficient space to merge while maintaining seperation distances.
Carryfast:
ROG:
Carryfast:
ROG:
Although not ideal there was space between the two trucks for the car to go into without causing a collisionEr no because there needs to be a sufficient seperation distance between the three vehicles during the merging of the car into the gap.To put it another way what would have happened if the truck in front had made an emergency stop if the car had entered the gap closer to the truck in front having reduced the already far too close seperation distance between the trucks by another car length.This accident shows that we need a change in the idea of traffic on slip roads having to give way to one of zip merging applies at entry slip roads and removal of all two lane entry slips.
In which case the seperation distance between vehicles at slip roads would obvously need to reflect the need for traffic to be able to merge safely while maintaining sufficient seperation between them.In which case,as in this example,the problem was mostly the result of the seperation distance between the trucks and a stupid road layout which is obviously likely to put traffic into this type of conflict situation.
I never said it was a safe gap but it was easily a physical gap to go into without hitting anything - the lesser of two evils if you like
From the video as shown it looks like the truck behind was running faster than the one in front because the already too close distance between them was actually closing not increasing.In which case the car driver wouldn’t have been able to enter the gap at a sufficient speed which would have provided the required seperation between the car and the truck behind without running into the truck in front.
The only option in that case would have been to anchor the car up in an emergency stop,assuming the driver didn’t want to cross the chevrons into lane 1 of the slip road,possibly resulting in a video prosecution for crossing chevrons seperating two lanes of traffic likely to be a danger to each other.It would have been interesting to have seen why the car driver couldn’t slow up long before that point and enter from the slip road after letting both trucks go by.It’s my bet that lane 1 was probably full of more tailgating traffic just like the two trucks involved.As I’ve said the answer seems obvious in getting rid of two lane entry slip roads and removal of the give way rule at slip road junctions on motorways and duals to one in which zip merging applies.In which case it’s obvious that traffic entering from a slip road would need to be given sufficient space to merge while maintaining seperation distances.
does your arse get jealous of your mouth, with all the crap that comes out from it?
ashbyspannerman:
Here’s why i’m glad i’ve got a camera, according to the van driver i cut across him!
what a brilliant video!!!
shuttlespanker:
Carryfast:
ROG:
Carryfast:
ROG:
Although not ideal there was space between the two trucks for the car to go into without causing a collisionEr no because there needs to be a sufficient seperation distance between the three vehicles during the merging of the car into the gap.To put it another way what would have happened if the truck in front had made an emergency stop if the car had entered the gap closer to the truck in front having reduced the already far too close seperation distance between the trucks by another car length.This accident shows that we need a change in the idea of traffic on slip roads having to give way to one of zip merging applies at entry slip roads and removal of all two lane entry slips.
In which case the seperation distance between vehicles at slip roads would obvously need to reflect the need for traffic to be able to merge safely while maintaining sufficient seperation between them.In which case,as in this example,the problem was mostly the result of the seperation distance between the trucks and a stupid road layout which is obviously likely to put traffic into this type of conflict situation.
I never said it was a safe gap but it was easily a physical gap to go into without hitting anything - the lesser of two evils if you like
From the video as shown it looks like the truck behind was running faster than the one in front because the already too close distance between them was actually closing not increasing.In which case the car driver wouldn’t have been able to enter the gap at a sufficient speed which would have provided the required seperation between the car and the truck behind without running into the truck in front.
The only option in that case would have been to anchor the car up in an emergency stop,assuming the driver didn’t want to cross the chevrons into lane 1 of the slip road,possibly resulting in a video prosecution for crossing chevrons seperating two lanes of traffic likely to be a danger to each other.It would have been interesting to have seen why the car driver couldn’t slow up long before that point and enter from the slip road after letting both trucks go by.It’s my bet that lane 1 was probably full of more tailgating traffic just like the two trucks involved.As I’ve said the answer seems obvious in getting rid of two lane entry slip roads and removal of the give way rule at slip road junctions on motorways and duals to one in which zip merging applies.In which case it’s obvious that traffic entering from a slip road would need to be given sufficient space to merge while maintaining seperation distances.
does your arse get jealous of your mouth, with all the crap that comes out from it?
Not really because I could have crashed a truck into loads of cars in similar situations over the course of my time in the job but I didn’t because I obviously knew better than you and that driver.At least one of those employers would have ( rightly ) sacked me for getting involved in that situation as shown in the video involving the car being hit at the slip road.
Carryfast:
shuttlespanker:
Carryfast:
ROG:
Carryfast:
ROG:
Although not ideal there was space between the two trucks for the car to go into without causing a collisionEr no because there needs to be a sufficient seperation distance between the three vehicles during the merging of the car into the gap.To put it another way what would have happened if the truck in front had made an emergency stop if the car had entered the gap closer to the truck in front having reduced the already far too close seperation distance between the trucks by another car length.This accident shows that we need a change in the idea of traffic on slip roads having to give way to one of zip merging applies at entry slip roads and removal of all two lane entry slips.
In which case the seperation distance between vehicles at slip roads would obvously need to reflect the need for traffic to be able to merge safely while maintaining sufficient seperation between them.In which case,as in this example,the problem was mostly the result of the seperation distance between the trucks and a stupid road layout which is obviously likely to put traffic into this type of conflict situation.
I never said it was a safe gap but it was easily a physical gap to go into without hitting anything - the lesser of two evils if you like
From the video as shown it looks like the truck behind was running faster than the one in front because the already too close distance between them was actually closing not increasing.In which case the car driver wouldn’t have been able to enter the gap at a sufficient speed which would have provided the required seperation between the car and the truck behind without running into the truck in front.
The only option in that case would have been to anchor the car up in an emergency stop,assuming the driver didn’t want to cross the chevrons into lane 1 of the slip road,possibly resulting in a video prosecution for crossing chevrons seperating two lanes of traffic likely to be a danger to each other.It would have been interesting to have seen why the car driver couldn’t slow up long before that point and enter from the slip road after letting both trucks go by.It’s my bet that lane 1 was probably full of more tailgating traffic just like the two trucks involved.As I’ve said the answer seems obvious in getting rid of two lane entry slip roads and removal of the give way rule at slip road junctions on motorways and duals to one in which zip merging applies.In which case it’s obvious that traffic entering from a slip road would need to be given sufficient space to merge while maintaining seperation distances.
does your arse get jealous of your mouth, with all the crap that comes out from it?
Not really because I could have crashed a truck into loads of cars in similar situations over the course of my time in the job but I didn’t because I obviously knew better than you and that driver.At least one of those employers would have ( rightly ) sacked me for getting involved in that situation as shown in the video involving the car being hit at the slip road.
read the highlighted part again, then you will understand my previous comment a little more
and, as for one of your previous employers sacking you for a non-fault accident, that says more about your previous employer than it does about anyone else
regardless of whether the lorry driver could have moved over or slowed down, the car driver is clearly at fault for moving in to a gap that is clearly not there, the lorry driver was already on the main carriageway, the car driver was joining the main carriageway, it clearly says in the highway code that vehicles joining the main carriageway should give way to those already on it
Part 3:
Joining the motorway (259)
259
Joining the motorway. When you join the motorway you will normally approach it from a road on the left (a slip road) or from an adjoining motorway. You shouldgive priority to traffic already on the motorway
check the traffic on the motorway and match your speed to fit safely into the traffic flow in the left-hand lane
not cross solid white lines that separate lanes or use the hard shoulder
stay on the slip road if it continues as an extra lane on the motorway
remain in the left-hand lane long enough to adjust to the speed of traffic before considering overtaking.
Carryfast - It is the car drivers fault. I can appreciate people having different opinions on scenarios and accidents etc but jesus christ, how can you even begin to suggest that the lorry was in the wrong.
■■■■ me this is so frustrating… there are so many factors to why its not the trucks fault.
shuttlespanker:
Carryfast:
shuttlespanker:
Carryfast:
ROG:
Carryfast:
ROG:
Although not ideal there was space between the two trucks for the car to go into without causing a collisionEr no because there needs to be a sufficient seperation distance between the three vehicles during the merging of the car into the gap.To put it another way what would have happened if the truck in front had made an emergency stop if the car had entered the gap closer to the truck in front having reduced the already far too close seperation distance between the trucks by another car length.This accident shows that we need a change in the idea of traffic on slip roads having to give way to one of zip merging applies at entry slip roads and removal of all two lane entry slips.
In which case the seperation distance between vehicles at slip roads would obvously need to reflect the need for traffic to be able to merge safely while maintaining sufficient seperation between them.In which case,as in this example,the problem was mostly the result of the seperation distance between the trucks and a stupid road layout which is obviously likely to put traffic into this type of conflict situation.
I never said it was a safe gap but it was easily a physical gap to go into without hitting anything - the lesser of two evils if you like
From the video as shown it looks like the truck behind was running faster than the one in front because the already too close distance between them was actually closing not increasing.In which case the car driver wouldn’t have been able to enter the gap at a sufficient speed which would have provided the required seperation between the car and the truck behind without running into the truck in front.
The only option in that case would have been to anchor the car up in an emergency stop,assuming the driver didn’t want to cross the chevrons into lane 1 of the slip road,possibly resulting in a video prosecution for crossing chevrons seperating two lanes of traffic likely to be a danger to each other.It would have been interesting to have seen why the car driver couldn’t slow up long before that point and enter from the slip road after letting both trucks go by.It’s my bet that lane 1 was probably full of more tailgating traffic just like the two trucks involved.As I’ve said the answer seems obvious in getting rid of two lane entry slip roads and removal of the give way rule at slip road junctions on motorways and duals to one in which zip merging applies.In which case it’s obvious that traffic entering from a slip road would need to be given sufficient space to merge while maintaining seperation distances.
does your arse get jealous of your mouth, with all the crap that comes out from it?
Not really because I could have crashed a truck into loads of cars in similar situations over the course of my time in the job but I didn’t because I obviously knew better than you and that driver.At least one of those employers would have ( rightly ) sacked me for getting involved in that situation as shown in the video involving the car being hit at the slip road.
read the highlighted part again, then you will understand my previous comment a little more
and, as for one of your previous employers sacking you for a non-fault accident, that says more about your previous employer than it does about anyone else
regardless of whether the lorry driver could have moved over or slowed down, the car driver is clearly at fault for moving in to a gap that is clearly not there, the lorry driver was already on the main carriageway, the car driver was joining the main carriageway, it clearly says in the highway code that vehicles joining the main carriageway should give way to those already on it
Part 3:
Joining the motorway (259)
259
Joining the motorway. When you join the motorway you will normally approach it from a road on the left (a slip road) or from an adjoining motorway. You shouldgive priority to traffic already on the motorway
check the traffic on the motorway and match your speed to fit safely into the traffic flow in the left-hand lane
not cross solid white lines that separate lanes or use the hard shoulder
stay on the slip road if it continues as an extra lane on the motorway
remain in the left-hand lane long enough to adjust to the speed of traffic before considering overtaking.
That defence would probably work without a problem in most cases.However when it’s a gap that isn’t there,let alone that’s reducing,because of a truck being driven too closeley behind another that might be a different matter.
As for ‘non fault accidents’.Some employers word that as ‘avoidable’ not non fault.With some types of avoidable accidents being viewed as more serious than others which would make the difference between getting another chance or not. 
As for the case in question maybe next time it might be a coach or a truck that’s entering from the slip road in which case all bets are off concerning the results of the driver with the priority thinking that it’s only non fault accidents that matter.
here we go again, you might need this for your mouth
FarnboroughBoy11:
Carryfast - It is the car drivers fault. I can appreciate people having different opinions on scenarios and accidents etc but jesus christ, how can you even begin to suggest that the lorry was in the wrong.
As so often in many other examples on here I’m not saying that the car driver wasn’t to blame.But if that had all gone pear shaped and the car’s wheels had dug in resulting in it being rolled and then flattened by the truck I wouldn’t have wanted to bet on the seperation distance between the trucks when the car tried to enter from the slip road not being taken into account as having been a contributory factor.