i still think it was a junkie hit it with a loaf of bread as he thought it was a seagull.
So they have been grounded as another has been found to have a defective fuel gauge.
Its only Bond helicopters have voluntarily suspended service on 22 'copters. The other 900 odd EC 135’s around the world are still flying. There has been no grounding order.
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-g … t-25353001
M1cks what is your source for the defective fuel guage?
Driveroneuk:
Its only Bond helicopters have voluntarily suspended service on 22 'copters. The other 900 odd EC 135’s around the world are still flying. There has been no grounding order.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-g … t-25353001
M1cks what is your source for the defective fuel guage?
Sky news
news.sky.com/story/1181440/fault … ambulances
For some reason it wont post as a link, but copy and paste web address
It has done! 
Thanks.
Carryfast:
I was just basing that on the example shown of an autorotate landing.If that was a typical example then there’s no way that a pilot would generally have anything like that amount of space to put it down in the way shown considering the glide slope required and the limitations in a densely built up area.IE helicopters generally land and take off vertically whereas an autorotate seems to be more along the lines of a fixed wing type approach and landing probably understandably considering the difference between the two different types of maintaining lift required in being forward movement to create the lift in one case and power in the other.One other question is that autorotate landings seem to be only possible in the case of engine shut downs in forward flight.Owing to the type of lift generation involved in autorotate it doesn’t seem like it would be possible in the case of total power loss while hovering ?.In which case wouldn’t loss of engine power in that case result in it just falling out of the sky because at that point there’d be no way of getting the forward flight required to rotate the blades to create the lift required.
I think the videos you have found are ‘more common’ as during most training autos are practiced during cruise flight as there is a manufacture optimum speed and limits for autos so during simulation they are entered at these speeds or above. Plus if you are moving forward then you will have a better choice of landing options to head for.
I have heard of some of the [helicopter] factory based schools -ie schools run by the same company that builds them - teaching hovering auto rotations (no forward speed) from 200 - 250’ agl. so yes it is possible to autorotate from a high hover.
edited to add - I found this video - youtube.com/watch?v=halOsUsUawE Shows how quick the reactions need to be even when you are expecting it to happen.
W.
PilotWolf:
Carryfast:
I was just basing that on the example shown of an autorotate landing.If that was a typical example then there’s no way that a pilot would generally have anything like that amount of space to put it down in the way shown considering the glide slope required and the limitations in a densely built up area.IE helicopters generally land and take off vertically whereas an autorotate seems to be more along the lines of a fixed wing type approach and landing probably understandably considering the difference between the two different types of maintaining lift required in being forward movement to create the lift in one case and power in the other.One other question is that autorotate landings seem to be only possible in the case of engine shut downs in forward flight.Owing to the type of lift generation involved in autorotate it doesn’t seem like it would be possible in the case of total power loss while hovering ?.In which case wouldn’t loss of engine power in that case result in it just falling out of the sky because at that point there’d be no way of getting the forward flight required to rotate the blades to create the lift required.
I think the videos you have found are ‘more common’ as during most training autos are practiced during cruise flight as there is a manufacture optimum speed and limits for autos so during simulation they are entered at these speeds or above. Plus if you are moving forward then you will have a better choice of landing options to head for.
I have heard of some of the [helicopter] factory based schools -ie schools run by the same company that builds them - teaching hovering auto rotations (no forward speed) from 200 - 250’ agl. so yes it is possible to autorotate from a high hover.
edited to add - I found this video - youtube.com/watch?v=halOsUsUawE Shows how quick the reactions need to be even when you are expecting it to happen.
W.
I’m 110% sure that PilotWolf is NOT a heli pilot & I’m 99.9% sure that PilotWolf & Carryfast are the same person.
I claims my £20.
Well Chas you are 110% WRONG on both counts.
PW
Certainly it’s rare for Carryfast to repsond to a poster without descending almost immediately to personal abuse. Hmmmmmm …
PilotWolf:
Well Chas you are 110% WRONG on both counts.PW
I’m going to wait for Carryfasts response before I consider myself wrong.
You never know, Carryfast might admit that you are just a figment of his wild & whacky imagination.
You really need to get your paranoia treated Chas…
W.
PilotWolf:
You really need to get your paranoia treated Chas…W.
I tried to a few years ago, but my shrink gave up & eventually committed suicide.
Ermmm, you’re not thinking of ending it all now you’ve been found out are you?
A laugh’s a laugh mate & trolls can always be accommodated & made to feel welcome on TNUK.
P.M. Rog if you is feeling down, he’s probably the only one here that isn’t a sock.
Nope I am 110% genuine I have nothing to hide including other screen names.
I have already offered to prove my qualifications to a moderator. Likewise if they want to check my IP address they will find it is California.
PW
PilotWolf:
Nope I am 110% genuine I have nothing to hide including other screen names.I have already offered to prove my qualifications to a moderator. Likewise if they want to check my IP address they will find it is California.
PW
Ok.
Please explain to me why a helicopter may want to ‘flare’ during an autorotation landing?
In your own words please, because it is incredibly easy to copy & paste your ‘knowledge’ into Google & discover where Carryfast is reading it from.
To slow the rate of decent and cushion the landing.
W.
Chas:
PilotWolf:
Nope I am 110% genuine I have nothing to hide including other screen names.I have already offered to prove my qualifications to a moderator. Likewise if they want to check my IP address they will find it is California.
PW
Ok.
Please explain to me why a helicopter may want to ‘flare’ during an autorotation landing?
In your own words please, because it is incredibly easy to copy & paste your ‘knowledge’ into Google & discover where Carryfast is reading it from.
Blimey I know that I sometimes point out that American levels of intelligence can sometimes be better than those of my fellow compatriots in the uk 
but unfortunately that isn’t enough to allow me to emigrate and take up US citizenship or PR rights and even if I did I wouldn’t have chosen California to live.
So what is your actual contribution and personal thoughts,concerning the questions,related to the topic,Chas.As for flaring being required for an autorotate landing that seems to be exactly what the video concerning such a landing shows and basic flying instruction.Probably because if it didn’t the landing gear would end up being torn off and it would probably be the difference between a controlled crash v a surviveable landing.
todayifoundout.com/index.php … -this-way/
The difficult bit for the authorities to explain in this case seems to me to be the issue of how the aircraft seemed to descend vertically not in a controlled autorotate landing and exactly what was it that caused it to stop flying/hovering.
Good link CF, auto rotation is well explained there. Bit of a different situation in a city centre though to the AR landing done in that video.
Driveroneuk:
Good link CF, auto rotation is well explained there. Bit of a different situation in a city centre though to the AR landing done in that video.
That’s what I was thinking in that pilots seem to learn to do it on a best case scenario basis rather than worst like from a hover from whatever altitude in a restricted area on the ground. 
Although Pilot Wolf then posted some information that training can involve a more realistic hovering scenario which gave some idea of the difficulty of the task in that scary type of case. It just confirmed my idea to me that if we were mean’t to fly we’d have wings.
Regarding the training and experience of the pilot I’m going to try to equate it with driving licences…
- Student Pilot - minimum age, pass medical before solo.
- Private Pilot Licence (PPL) - minimum training of 45 hrs in UK (40 in US), 9 written tests (1 big one US)and practical test = car licence.
- Commercial Pilot Licence (CPL) - must have PPL, minimum of 150 hrs US, think UK the same, another big written test in US, 13 in UK and a more advanced practical test = Cat C licence?
- Airline Transport Licence (ATP/ATPL) - minimum of 1500 hrs US (think its the same for UK, but there is a frozen option (or was) in UK where you could take and pass the exams but didn’t get the licence until you got the 1500 hrs) another written in US and same UK tests passes count(ed) but you also have to get an - Instrument Rating (IR) which is another 40 hrs training and another exam and test[/list] = Cat C&E?
Most pilots also get their Flight Instructor rating so they can build hours for the better job whilst someone else pays. Yep you guessed it - more exams and another test!
These are all minimujm times - few pilots will qualify at the minimums. I think UK helicopter training starts around £275 an hr these days…
Most police pilots are ex-military so probably haven’t had to pay that much (financially) for their training but I am pretty sure that Bond, et-al want a minimum of ATPL and probably IR ratings too.
W.
PW isn’t Carryfast - very different diction. Chas, what are your qualifications??