Has anyone just watched the Traffic Cops prog on BBC1 with the road rage incident involving the TNT MAN and a car on the Sheffield Parkway 
I was expecting the TNT driver to get charged knowing what the police are usually like but thankfully the driver got off with no charges being brought and the car driver lost his leg for cutting up the TNT wagon.
Result 
. Well done S Yorks plod
Yes i agree with that, i was saying to the mrs watch them try and stitch the truck driver up, funny how they took the truck away for tests but no doubt none were done on the car.
Remember seeing this programme a while back. (Tonights was a repeat)
Why was the car driver out of his vehicle on such a busy roundabout in the first place Bet he won’t do that again in a hurry 
Why was the car driver out of his vehicle on such a busy roundabout in the first place Bet he won’t do that again in a hurry
Seeing as he lost a leg, I dont think it will be a hurry either!
Goes to show what road rage does 
Someone will tell him to ‘Hop It’ next time!!! 
GMANSCAN
Gurner:
Yes i agree with that, i was saying to the mrs watch them try and stitch the truck driver up, funny how they took the truck away for tests but no doubt none were done on the car.
gurner…i think you find that this is common practise in an rta involving a truck.especially if someone is injured.i think you’ll find that the car would have been tested elsewhere, but the truck attracks more attention.i saw this some months back with this tnt truck on a sky traffic cop program.at least they tracked back with cctv.but i thought the tnt driver should have stopped when he saw the guy at his passenger door. 
Gurner:
Yes i agree with that, i was saying to the mrs watch them try and stitch the truck driver up, funny how they took the truck away for tests but no doubt none were done on the car.
But there was no evidence to suggest that any defects on the car could have contributed to the incident (except maybe the car’s horn). If you get out of your car and stand in front of a truck, and the truck hits you, does it matter whether your car’s brakes work?
There was certainly reason to suspect that the TNT driver may have attempted to run this guy over maliciously, so I don’t think I have a problem with him being investigated.
Of course, the car driver certainly initiated and exacerbated the incident (unless something else happened before the car cut up the truck), and also should shoulder some of the blame, but there is certainly some potential for the truck driver to be partially to blame.
Without knowing the full details of the case, it’s difficult to know whether the outcome was correct. If they did think he was guilty, they obviously didn’t have enough evidence to prosecute.
Another similar programme I saw which I thought was quite interesting showed a crash between an artic and the police car with the TV crew in. The police car was travelling at 100+ mph with blue lights flashing (but no sirens), and moved from lanes 1-3 to overtake the HGV which also moved lanes 1-3 on the motorway (the HGV driver was preparing for a junction ahead where he needed to be in the RH lane). The police car got squashed between the truck and the central reservation barrier.
The police driver was giving the HGV driver major grief about how he should never be in lane 3 (this was technically correct,as the truck driver was moving out a bit too early), and how he cannot have looked to check there was nothing coming; however, the HGV driver was let off without charge. I suspect that the police realised that if they prosecuted the HGV driver, they’d also have to discipline the police driver, as the HGV was indicating, and IMHO, the police driver should have used his siren - given the speed of the police car (about 120mph IIRC), it would have been perfectly possible for the truck driver to have checked mirrors and blind spot correctly, and not seen the police car.
From what I saw of the programme, the car cut the truck up at the light and then both vehicles came to a halt at the roundabout. Where the Truck Driver got out and kicked the car. It then seems that the car driver must have got out maybe to get into the passenger door of the truck or to kick the lights out. this may have put him in the blind spot of the truck as the truck driver pulled away and dragged him under the wheels.
It’s a real sad story, because 2 people couldn’t let a situation go, one has lost a leg and the other has had to suffer whilst wating for the conclusion of an investigation that could of ended up in a prison sentence and also any feelings of guilt with the knowledge that his actions were partly responible for somebody losing his leg.
I know it ain’t always easy, but be careful out there, and don’t let things that happen everyday get to you.
kinda makes sense of the old saying…WALK AWAY…dont get involved…
kitkat:
Gurner:
Yes i agree with that, i was saying to the mrs watch them try and stitch the truck driver up, funny how they took the truck away for tests but no doubt none were done on the car.gurner…i think you find that this is common practise in an rta involving a truck.especially if someone is injured.i think you’ll find that the car would have been tested elsewhere, but the truck attracks more attention.i saw this some months back with this tnt truck on a sky traffic cop program.at least they tracked back with cctv.but i thought the tnt driver should have stopped when he saw the guy at his passenger door.
sorry ment to add…on inspection of the truck,did they not find a defected horn not that it would have made any differance to the outcome of the incident,but if it had been a pedestrian that had walked out in front of mr tnt, what could he/she have done to alert the person of the trucks presence
so hence why the inspection after an rta i suppose.
muckles:
From what I saw of the programme, the car cut the truck up at the light and then both vehicles came to a halt at the roundabout. Where the Truck Driver got out and kicked the car. It then seems that the car driver must have got out maybe to get into the passenger door of the truck or to kick the lights out. this may have put him in the blind spot of the truck as the truck driver pulled away and dragged him under the wheels.
It’s a real sad story, because 2 people couldn’t let a situation go, one has lost a leg and the other has had to suffer whilst wating for the conclusion of an investigation that could of ended up in a prison sentence and also any feelings of guilt with the knowledge that his actions were partly responible for somebody losing his leg.
I know it ain’t always easy,
I stand to be corrected but as I recall, upon interviewing the car driver he said that he had caused the boot mark on the car door, not the wagon driver. Why though, I don’t know.
MrFlibble:
Gurner:
Yes i agree with that, i was saying to the mrs watch them try and stitch the truck driver up, funny how they took the truck away for tests but no doubt none were done on the car.But there was no evidence to suggest that any defects on the car could have contributed to the incident (except maybe the car’s horn). If you get out of your car and stand in front of a truck, and the truck hits you, does it matter whether your car’s brakes work?
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A faulty horn is a faulty horn, the car should have been pulled aswell, they made a big song and dance about the truck.
I here what your saying with regards to the car not being directly involved, but they tried to make a show of the lorry driver without even considering what state the car was in.
Rob K:
muckles:
From what I saw of the programme, the car cut the truck up at the light and then both vehicles came to a halt at the roundabout. Where the Truck Driver got out and kicked the car. It then seems that the car driver must have got out maybe to get into the passenger door of the truck or to kick the lights out. this may have put him in the blind spot of the truck as the truck driver pulled away and dragged him under the wheels.
It’s a real sad story, because 2 people couldn’t let a situation go, one has lost a leg and the other has had to suffer whilst wating for the conclusion of an investigation that could of ended up in a prison sentence and also any feelings of guilt with the knowledge that his actions were partly responible for somebody losing his leg.
I know it ain’t always easy,I stand to be corrected but as I recall, upon interviewing the car driver he said that he had caused the boot mark on the car door, not the wagon driver. Why though, I don’t know.
I also thought that the car driver had done the damage to his own car. If this is so, then it would appear that the truck driver did nothing wrong. If the truck driver had caused damage to the car, he would have been charged with criminal damage.
kitkat:
kitkat:
Gurner:
sorry ment to add…on inspection of the truck,did they not find a defected horn
If a pedestrian cannot see a TRUCK and has to rely on the driver to sound the horn, I would question whether that pedestrian should be allowed out on their own.
For heavens sake, the engine is noisy enough, even the allegedly super silent ones.
Failing that, they should be carrying a red and white stick.
I’m sorry if I come across a bit hard, but it may be a pedestrians right to ignore the presence of a motor vehicle, but with that right MUST come the equal responsibility for their actions and the outcome of those actions.
you know as well as i do that some pedestrians are oblivious to traffic and are in that much of a rush they forget what they are doing and what they are walking into.
Whichever way, be it that the wagon driver didn’t see the bloke and accidentally hit him or that he did see him and deliberately ran him over, GOOD FOR HIM
Maybe a few more car and van drivers losing limbs when they dice with death cutting us folks up might just ring an alarm bell in their head that they shouldn’t mess around with trucks/truckers 
Whilst its a bit of a shame that the guy lost his leg, I think its a sort of rough justice for him. He cut up the truck, now if the truck had a defective horn how did the truck driver make himself known? Probably by getting out of the truck and having a “Quiet” word with the car driver. I would imagine that this was done by the drivers side of the car. Then for whatever reason the car driver took offense at what was said/done, and decided to give the same in return. Did he go round to the drivers side of the truck? No! he was on the passenger side, convieniently out of the truck drivers reach. (Obviously a REAL man then ). Typical of a lot of car drivers, make a dangerous manouvre, and they (the car driver) think its still the truck drivers fault.
Pleased the police took no further action, but whats the real shame is that the whole thing happened in the first place.
As they used to say in Hill Street Blues: “Be careful out there”
kitkat:
kitkat:
Gurner:
Yes i agree with that, i was saying to the mrs watch them try and stitch the truck driver up, funny how they took the truck away for tests but no doubt none were done on the car.gurner…i think you find that this is common practise in an rta involving a truck.especially if someone is injured.i think you’ll find that the car would have been tested elsewhere, but the truck attracks more attention.i saw this some months back with this tnt truck on a sky traffic cop program.at least they tracked back with cctv.but i thought the tnt driver should have stopped when he saw the guy at his passenger door.
sorry ment to add…on inspection of the truck,did they not find a defected horn
so hence why the inspection after an rta i suppose.
True, but OTOH, if the car driver had walked out in front of the truck to the point where the truck driver would have seen them (and therefore known to blow the horn), I would hope that they would have been able to stop quicker than they did - if the car driver were far enough in front to realistically been seen, the truck would have travelled a reasonable distance to hit the guy, have him go under the front of the cab, have his leg hit the front wheel, and be dragged along the road a reasonable distance.
From the position of the vehicles, I doubt the truck was going very fast.
IMHO, either the guy never got far enough in front of the truck to have a realistic chance of being seen, or the truck driver wasn’t looking around properly, or the truck driver saw him and maliciously chose not to brake.
Sorry first time I`ve read this post… rewinding a little to MrFlibble’s post about the artic in the RH lane and the police car going at 100+ but not having his sirens on. Sirens are very ineffective once you get above about 85. Not quite sure of the what hows and where fores but cars in front wil barely here you at that speed.
Then the police driver should have known that and behaved accordingly. ISTM that the driver was just as guilty of poor observation and anticipation as the truck driver was of going into lane 3.