Hi all, been looking this up but I’m still just a bit confused as to when I should be taking breaks when using POA and double manning.
I’ll give tomorrow as an example, as it will be other man driving to the delivery area, myself driving round the delivery area and part way home (if possible) before he takes over again.
0600 start, 4.5hrs POA, 1hr driving, then a mix of OW and driving, will I need a 15min break at 1200? Or will my 6 hours start after my 4.5hrs POA?
I think I have the right end of the stick but just want to make sure.
Adonis.:
Hi all, been looking this up but I’m still just a bit confused as to when I should be taking breaks when using POA and double manning.
I’ll give tomorrow as an example, as it will be other man driving to the delivery area, myself driving round the delivery area and part way home (if possible) before he takes over again.
0600 start, 4.5hrs POA, 1hr driving, then a mix of OW and driving, will I need a 15min break at 1200? Or will my 6 hours start after my 4.5hrs POA?
I think I have the right end of the stick but just want to make sure.
Cheers,
A.
No if you’re on poa from 0600 until 1045 your working time will not start until 1045. You will need 30 minutes before you reach 6 hrs work so as long as you’ve had 30 minutes before 1645 your fine.
If you’re only doing 1 hrs driving no need to worry about your driving time as long as you have 30 mins before 1645hrs due to WTD .
Adonis.:
Hi all, been looking this up but I’m still just a bit confused as to when I should be taking breaks when using POA and double manning.
I’ll give tomorrow as an example, as it will be other man driving to the delivery area, myself driving round the delivery area and part way home (if possible) before he takes over again.
0600 start, 4.5hrs POA, 1hr driving, then a mix of OW and driving, will I need a 15min break at 1200? Or will my 6 hours start after my 4.5hrs POA?
I think I have the right end of the stick but just want to make sure.
Cheers,
A.
No if you’re on poa from 0600 until 1045 your working time will not start until 1045. You will need 30 minutes before you reach 6 hrs work so as long as you’ve had 30 minutes before 1645 your fine.
If you’re only doing 1 hrs driving no need to worry about your driving time as long as you have 30 mins before 1645hrs due to WTD .
Adonis.:
Cheers, that’s what I thought it would be, just wanted to make sure though.
I take it I’ll need the 30 mins because I’ll have had my card in for more than 6 hours? Rather than the 15 mins for 6 hrs?
Cheers again,
A.
Edit: Just seen seany’s post there, so I’ll need the normal 15 for the 6hrs?
Why will you have your card in if your just sat in the passengers seat for 4 hrs?
I had another driver with me last week for some training. He didnt put his card in until he was driving. Just remember to have at least 10 mins other work on your card before driving for your checks.
POA does not count towards WTD so you will need 30 mins before 6 hrs work as i said above. Not sure where seany gets the 15 from its 30 for 6 hrs work which will not start until you are off POA. In your case from when you insert your card and start your checks.
Adonis.:
Cheers, that’s what I thought it would be, just wanted to make sure though.
I take it I’ll need the 30 mins because I’ll have had my card in for more than 6 hours? Rather than the 15 mins for 6 hrs?
Cheers again,
A.
Edit: Just seen seany’s post there, so I’ll need the normal 15 for the 6hrs?
Why will you have your card in if your just sat in the passengers seat for 4 hrs?
I had another driver with me last week for some training. He didnt put his card in until he was driving. Just remember to have at least 10 mins other work on your card before driving for your checks.
POA does not count towards WTD so you will need 30 mins before 6 hrs work as i said above. Not sure where seany gets the 15 from its 30 for 6 hrs work which will not start until you are off POA. In your case from when you insert your card and start your checks.
Just to clear up what I mean-
Before 6 hrs you must have 15 mins break
6-9 is 30 minutes
Beyond is 45 minutes.
I can see what seany is saying now having re read it bit i assumed you were working beyond 6 hrs hence me saying 30 mins break.
Which can be split into 2 15s.
start 0600
Some other work is usually necessary - perhaps 15 mins for paperwork and checking the truck
POA till 1045
1630 before a 15 min WTD break is needed unless you need a driving time break before that
If you do not reach 4.5 driving time and go back on POA in slot 2 before 1630 then the first 45 mins of POA is counted as break
Adonis.:
Cheers, that’s what I thought it would be, just wanted to make sure though.
I take it I’ll need the 30 mins because I’ll have had my card in for more than 6 hours? Rather than the 15 mins for 6 hrs?
Cheers again,
A.
Edit: Just seen seany’s post there, so I’ll need the normal 15 for the 6hrs?
Why will you have your card in if your just sat in the passengers seat for 4 hrs?
I had another driver with me last week for some training. He didnt put his card in until he was driving. Just remember to have at least 10 mins other work on your card before driving for your checks.
POA does not count towards WTD so you will need 30 mins before 6 hrs work as i said above. Not sure where seany gets the 15 from its 30 for 6 hrs work which will not start until you are off POA. In your case from when you insert your card and start your checks.
The card for a second driver needs to be in within an hour of driver 1’s card going in, does it not? In any case, my place demand our cards are in if we’re driving or not.
Thanks for the replies all, wanted to make sure I was keeping myself right.
WonksterDude:
Apologies chaps, a real daft question but “POA” is …?
Period Of Availability
The truckers WTD restricts how much other work and driving time combined can be done in certain periods so by using POA or BREAK it can extend the time on shift
A trucker who gets paid for recorded breaks is unlikely to use POA as both break and POA extend shift time
POA used on a digi also wrongly resets the driving time by thinking its a break !! = daft software
the drive must know how long the wait is to be before it starts to use POA whereas break needs no such requirement
The EU driver regs take precedence over WTD regs but both sets run side by side
Coolrider:
Why will you have your card in if your just sat in the passengers seat for 4 hrs?
I had another driver with me last week for some training. He didnt put his card in until he was driving. Just remember to have at least 10 mins other work on your card before driving for your checks.
Be careful. The regulations require a driver to record his whole working day from start to finish on the days that he drives. Your colleague drove - therefore he needed to record what happened from the end of his last rest period until driving took place.
So either he needed his card in from the start - or he needed to carry out a manual input at the time he inserted his card in order to input the work/POA/etc he had done prior to driving.
There is also a little bit in the legislation about the driver must use the recording equipment if available to him - which it was for your colleague.
As for the breaks. A driver must not work more than 6 hours (that is work - not duty) without a break. A break can be any period recorded as break that is 15 minutes or longer.
If working time totals more than 6 hours but less than 9 hours a total of 30m of breaks must be taken - somewhere within the shift, interrupting working time (so not at start or end). This 30 minutes total break could be two 15 minute breaks anywhere within the 9 hours of work as long as 6 hours wasn’t exceeded.
If working time totals more than 9 hours - a total of 45 minutes of break must be taken. Again can be in 15 minute minimum periods and must interrupt working time.
Also - At least 10 minutes of other work before driving? What if it only took me 6 minutes to check my vehicle? As long as the period of time I spent checking my vehicle is recorded as working time I have complied with all legislation. There are no times laid down in legislation - it takes as long as it takes but of course any time spent working must be recorded as such.
