Let’s all please Sign this and Stick together so we can beat these crap low wages. We have just under 9000 signatures so far 
Where did £15 come from?
Why would there be a minimum wage of £15 when hauliers have no problem getting people to do the job for the rates they currently pay?
A question for the thread starter.
Given that profit in haulage is so low for many firms, where is the money coming from to pay £15ph across the board?
Is it me, or does the wording in that petition not make much sense?
Derf:
Is it me, or does the wording in that petition not make much sense?
Makes no sense at all.If there was a driver shortage then wages would go up of their own accord.
Stone me. This is the fourth time in a fortnight the same post has been made ffs 
Should be interesting to see how the Government responds when/if this reaches 10,000 signatures.
My guess is it will say that the free market sets the wages and as long as it’s above the NMW then they aren’t going to give a toss.
It’s a very badly worded petition, and im assuming the £15 p/h was just a fanciful figure plucked from thin air.
If there ever is a shortage I am sure HM Government will take the necessary action to overcome the problem. This happened in the fifties on public transport in London and they went to far off lands around the Commonwealth and recruited enough people to fill the shortfall.
I am sure that they could come up with a similar solution should the need arise.
To be fair £15hr isn’t going to happen is it. I am sure if we had enough people sign it we could at least get the wages looked at. There must be something as HGV drivers we can do if we all stick together ? What harm is there in signing it ? We aren’t that far from 10,000 signatures. The cost of new drivers coming in is ridiculous. £2500+ for a Class 1 licence and then only a £7.50hr wage after ? This has to be looked at surely ? If people just accept it and chug along it will only get worse.
keebs26uk:
To be fair £15hr isn’t going to happen is it. I am sure if we had enough people sign it we could at least get the wages looked at. There must be something as HGV drivers we can do if we all stick together ? What harm is there in signing it ? We aren’t that far from 10,000 signatures. The cost of new drivers coming in is ridiculous. £2500+ for a Class 1 licence and then only a £7.50hr wage after ? This has to be looked at surely ? If people just accept it and chug along it will only get worse.
Indeed OVLOV, fourth time.
So this £15.00, is that for all truck drivers, is there a difference between Class 1 & 2? Presumably class 1 are going to be on over £15.00.
Given that some drivers are on the £8.00 mark and mine are over £12.00, when they are all on £15.00, am I paying mine at £15.00 or £19.00 to maintain the difference?
Given that the RHA reported that domestic work carried out by foreign hauliers is up 50% in the last two years, will that apply to our flip flop friends?
albion:
keebs26uk:
To be fair £15hr isn’t going to happen is it. I am sure if we had enough people sign it we could at least get the wages looked at. There must be something as HGV drivers we can do if we all stick together ? What harm is there in signing it ? We aren’t that far from 10,000 signatures. The cost of new drivers coming in is ridiculous. £2500+ for a Class 1 licence and then only a £7.50hr wage after ? This has to be looked at surely ? If people just accept it and chug along it will only get worse.Indeed OVLOV, fourth time.
So this £15.00, is that for all truck drivers, is there a difference between Class 1 & 2? Presumably class 1 are going to be on over £15.00.
Given that some drivers are on the £8.00 mark and mine are over £12.00, when they are all on £15.00, am I paying mine at £15.00 or £19.00 to maintain the difference?
Given that the RHA reported that domestic work carried out by foreign hauliers is up 50% in the last two years, will that apply to our flip flop friends?
All points I’ve raised on another thread. How’s my employer going to get staff on £15 an hour, if I can drive a skip motor for the same money? Realistically he’d have to pay £20 an hour. Where’s the extra £4-500 a week coming from to pay for that? Not saying it’s not a nice dream, just a rather unrealistic one
OVLOV JAY:
albion:
keebs26uk:
To be fair £15hr isn’t going to happen is it. I am sure if we had enough people sign it we could at least get the wages looked at. There must be something as HGV drivers we can do if we all stick together ? What harm is there in signing it ? We aren’t that far from 10,000 signatures. The cost of new drivers coming in is ridiculous. £2500+ for a Class 1 licence and then only a £7.50hr wage after ? This has to be looked at surely ? If people just accept it and chug along it will only get worse.Indeed OVLOV, fourth time.
So this £15.00, is that for all truck drivers, is there a difference between Class 1 & 2? Presumably class 1 are going to be on over £15.00.
Given that some drivers are on the £8.00 mark and mine are over £12.00, when they are all on £15.00, am I paying mine at £15.00 or £19.00 to maintain the difference?
Given that the RHA reported that domestic work carried out by foreign hauliers is up 50% in the last two years, will that apply to our flip flop friends?
All points I’ve raised on another thread. How’s my employer going to get staff on £15 an hour, if I can drive a skip motor for the same money? Realistically he’d have to pay £20 an hour. Where’s the extra £4-500 a week coming from to pay for that? Not saying it’s not a nice dream, just a rather unrealistic one
My take as an employer, is that it doesn’t matter if the pay rate goes up by law. All it means is that I’m paying the ‘same’ as my competitors, ie if they are paying between £11.75 - 12.25 and I’m paying £12.00 and we all stick £4.00 on the rate, well the rate increases, which customers would have no option but to accept as it became law, but my competitiveness with my competitors stays the same. I’m only uncompetitive if they can vary their wages significantly…say if they were Polish.
If you want to up the rate of UK drivers, then you’d have to be darn sure that you can enforce the same hourly payment on foreign drivers, otherwise all you are doing is raising the cost of UK transport and increasing the East EU share of domestic work along with the decimation of International work, for which the UK share is down to 12% according to the latest DfT figures. 
I can remember sitting at the gates at Dover and roughly 8 out of ten trucks were british.
keebs26uk:
T The cost of new drivers coming in is ridiculous. £2500+ for a Class 1 licence and then only a £7.50hr wage after ? This has to be looked at surely ? If people just accept it and chug along it will only get worse.
Forgot to add before, that whilst it is expensive, compared with £27-36k of university debt, which depending on your degree subject and final grade, many not actually lead to anything more than an average job of 25k, it starts looking not so bad. My two youngest lads in their mid20s earn 40k+ - that may not be average, but it shows what can be achieved with a bit of work and a chunk of luck.
University degree may lead to progressively above average wages, but I reckon half of degrees will do no such thing as middle class jobs get hollowed out by automation and increasing competiveness abroad.
People often over think how much other roles earn
Average for a vet is pretty similar to your £15
payscale.com/research/UK/Job … ian/Salary
Accountant, average less
payscale.com/research/UK/Job … ant/Salary
The biggest challenge will be this one!
Nurse pay scales
rcn.org.uk/employment-and-p … es-2015-16
Nursing pay is controlled by the government, Nursing is a skilled job, you need a degree to do it and there is a shortage.
Aren’t nurses getting £50ph on agency though?
If there is a shortage, and people refuse to work for the wages on offer, then the wages keep on rising until balance is achieved.
For instance, imagine how short of drivers we’ll be as more and more of the EU nations stop trading with us, and sending their trucks over here…?
The public won’t stand for a hoard of “shiny new drivers” killing them all on the roads due to inexperience.
“Supply and Demand” will push up wages - as soon as politicians stop tinkering with the system! 
Winseer:
Aren’t nurses getting £50ph on agency though?If there is a shortage, and people refuse to work for the wages on offer, then the wages keep on rising until balance is achieved.
For instance, imagine how short of drivers we’ll be as more and more of the EU nations stop trading with us, and sending their trucks over here…?
The public won’t stand for a hoard of “shiny new drivers” killing them all on the roads due to inexperience.
“Supply and Demand” will push up wages - as soon as politicians stop tinkering with the system!
£50/ hour? That would be £88,0000 ish for 11 months.
I don’t think public will care one bit about the experience behind the wheel so long as they get their shopping.
Olog Hai:
A question for the thread starter.Given that profit in haulage is so low for many firms, where is the money coming from to pay £15ph across the board?
That’s what so many drivers don’t seem to get. £40k minimum wages are never going to be feasible for hauliers specialising in RDC work, CHEP pallets & other such rubbish general haulage, the rates are mostly cack. Unfortunately if they can get drivers, it sets the standard and most others aren’t going to pay more so long as they are getting bums on seats.
The government are never going to enforce something that could only be delivered by raising the cost of goods, when the jobs getting done as it is. We keep hearing about catastrophic driver shortages, but i’ve yet to hear of any empty shelves in shops.
The solution to the industries problems is a problem for the industry itself, not government.
rob22888:
The solution to the industries problems is a problem for the industry itself, not government.
Exactly, other than setting the national minimum wage the UK government do not decide wage levels in the private sector so the petition is a wast of time.
I might as well add this thread to the list for the next time the petition gets posted 
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=142996
You can’t rock up to the government and say I DESERVE a pay rise.
Capitalism doesn’t work like that!
And in hand with that, you/we don’t have the public support or sympathy, so they won’t listen or care, as no votes hang on it…
As Harry keeps pointing out, it’s a supply and demand issue.
And while supply outstrips demand, wages are going nowhere! 
We either need to shortage, possibly turning off the ready supply abroad, or a change in the regs so that accountants don’t view these ‘limits’ as parameters to calculate the cheapest running cost. And by the way you’re an asset, just like the truck,and that is all you are to them! 
The drivers regs (and WTD) then change from being a system to protect the driver, to part of the calculation for maximising productivity and profit for the company. So not surprisingly, things don’t necessarily pan out very well for the drivers! 
Hint: You’re cheaper than the kit! 
And until finding a particular assets to fulfill the operation becomes an issue in the calculation, the calculation doesn’t change…