Driver-Once-More:
The moffit course I did was half a day.
Belgium or UK?
^^^UK
hiya
i see what your 're saying. but if we squeeze foreign drivers UK drivers abroad will get more ■■■■ than
you ever knew about…just what i think.
John
if you want more road safety-Police must do more pressure to drivers…but now police work not very good.just hunting for drivers without insurance and tax.but police must use unmarked car ,special devices to hunt driver who cross for red ligh,who keep not correct distance ,stay in the midlle line to long.and give to this drivers GOOD penalty,not 60 quid,but at least 200.now if drivers taked daily rest at hard shoulder police give him 60 quid ,but if he pay in next 2 week will be just 30q.but motorway services about 25.funny.
this years i was driving first time via Germany by truck and make mistake-pay for Motorway just at second Junction after Poland.just after 2 week company in Latvia received from Germany letters who i not pay correctly.Uk Police staff must sent to Germany or France.they there can learn -how work there.and of cource must be deposit sistem.same France not paid deposit -no way.
Has anyone considered that even if we closed our borders to all immigrants AND deported all those already here (totally impractical btw) - we’d still be swamped by all those trucks coming here that get driven by those that do not live, or intend STAYING here.
A far easier way of turning this crappy situation to our advantage therefore, is to charge per day per foreign plated vehicle in this country, regardless of it being “on road or not”. If it’s inside the UK - You pay a £10 per day charge.
If you can’t beat 'em - at least let’s end the austerity for the rest of us by soaking them, so that only the best-heeled will consider coming here to visit or live in the first place.
Once upon a time - you had to be fairly wealthy to be a “tourist” of any description. 
wenders66:
It"s time for action…
I"m a female driver, have been for 20 years next year…
I assumed 20 years was long enough to learn not to listen to ■■■■■■■■ spouted in truckstops and RDCs. Clearly I was wrong.
Foreign drivers are just as good as British ones…
…at talking nonsense and claiming they have beaten the system in various ways to big themselves up.
Doesn’t look like the petition is going to be too successful eh? 
Any comments from the o/p?
robroy:
Doesn’t look like the petition is going to be too successful eh?Any comments from the o/p?
Perhaps she’s found an EDL forum, cos she’s not feeling the love on here…
Someone mentioned ‘driving styles’ earlier. There are a few issues here. It’s easy to mistake other driving styles for poor driving. Long-haul drivers become accustomed to adapting to a variety of different (un-English) driving styles as they travel from border to border. Germany has a distinct style, as does Romania. Even the Middle-East does. Pass from the chaos of Cairo to the quiet, orderly driving of Khartoum in the country next door (to the south) and you’ll notice a big difference.
Newbee drivers from UK have to learn the ‘new’ style as they go along, if they move to Canada or Oz (I acknowledge that they have to take a local test); but likewise if they move to Germany or Romania they still have to learn to adapt, and it doesn’t take long (I know, I lived in Cairo!). And it’s the same for Germans or Romanians driving here: they’ll soon adapt - they have to for survival.
The other issue is old versus new. Those of us who learnt the driving style associated with constant-mesh gearboxes, drum brakes (or even vacuum ones), exhaust brakes and low-tech lorries will have quite a different driving style from newer generation drivers who have grown up with automated 'boxes, integral engine-braking, cruise-control, power steering and all the rest. A 2014 driver plans her (or his) drive quite differently now, because she can.
What I’m saying is that ‘different’ isn’t always wrong. Robert
Foreign people don’t particularly drive any worse than the drivers in this country.
There are lots of different reasons why hgv potential candidates do not go through with pursuing their goal, i have never heard it blamed on foreign people taking the drivers jobs.
Better off not to listen to gossip.
Winseer:
Has anyone considered that even if we closed our borders to all immigrants AND deported all those already here (totally impractical btw) - we’d still be swamped by all those trucks coming here that get driven by those that do not live, or intend STAYING here.A far easier way of turning this crappy situation to our advantage therefore, is to charge per day per foreign plated vehicle in this country, regardless of it being “on road or not”. If it’s inside the UK - You pay a £10 per day charge.
You mean like this, it’s already made more money in 6 months than they expected in a year, which means we’ve lost £40m a year for all those years our politicians said isn’t wasn’t worth doing as it wouldn’t make much much money. 
It also blows out of the water the argument that foreign haulage companies wouldn’t bother paying it, they pay it in other countries so of course the majority would pay it over here.
sayersy:
robroy:
Doesn’t look like the petition is going to be too successful eh?Any comments from the o/p?
Perhaps she’s found an EDL forum, cos she’s not feeling the love on here…
She seemed like a nice lass too, I kinda feel sorry for her makes her first post then isripped to shreds by a pack of wolves, I suppose she is out there somewhere in some truckstop or layby trying to cheer herself up with some DICKENS CIDER.
Winseer:
Has anyone considered that even if we closed our borders to all immigrants AND deported all those already here (totally impractical btw) - we’d still be swamped by all those trucks coming here that get driven by those that do not live, or intend STAYING here.A far easier way of turning this crappy situation to our advantage therefore, is to charge per day per foreign plated vehicle in this country, regardless of it being “on road or not”. If it’s inside the UK - You pay a £10 per day charge.
If you can’t beat 'em - at least let’s end the austerity for the rest of us by soaking them, so that only the best-heeled will consider coming here to visit or live in the first place.
Once upon a time - you had to be fairly wealthy to be a “tourist” of any description.
Assuming anyone is familiar with driving in the old Yugoslavia at least they’d need to be blind and deaf and a raving socialist to not notice that there are historic ‘issues’ in the case of east european and at least Turkish driving standards.The Russian dash cam footage confirms similar to date.
As for sorting out the ridiculous inbalance in the amount of British registered trucks and/or British drivers transporting our imports and exports,it seems obvious that we need a quota system,which makes it compulsory,for at least 50% of loads leaving and entering the country have go on a British registered truck.As for leaving the EU and thereby denying/removing work permits to east European labour here as we choose,including on a retrospective basis,where’s the problem.Bearing in mind the issue of British drivers losing their work permit status in New Zealand on a retrospective basis.
remember when everything come to the UK by ship…the dockers wouldn’t unload it
3300John:
remember when everything come to the UK by ship…the dockers wouldn’t unload it
To be fair,like the rest of British industry,usually on the basis the bosses refuse/pretend to pay us so we refuse/pretend to work.
Carryfast:
Winseer:
Has anyone considered that even if we closed our borders to all immigrants AND deported all those already here (totally impractical btw) - we’d still be swamped by all those trucks coming here that get driven by those that do not live, or intend STAYING here.A far easier way of turning this crappy situation to our advantage therefore, is to charge per day per foreign plated vehicle in this country, regardless of it being “on road or not”. If it’s inside the UK - You pay a £10 per day charge.
If you can’t beat 'em - at least let’s end the austerity for the rest of us by soaking them, so that only the best-heeled will consider coming here to visit or live in the first place.
Once upon a time - you had to be fairly wealthy to be a “tourist” of any description.
Assuming anyone is familiar with driving in the old Yugoslavia at least they’d need to be blind and deaf and a raving socialist to not notice that there are historic ‘issues’ in the case of east european and at least Turkish driving standards.The Russian dash cam footage confirms similar to date.
As for sorting out the ridiculous inbalance in the amount of British registered trucks and/or British drivers transporting our imports and exports,it seems obvious that we need a quota system,which makes it compulsory,for at least 50% of loads leaving and entering the country have go on a British registered truck.As for leaving the EU and thereby denying/removing work permits to east European labour here as we choose,including on a retrospective basis,where’s the problem.Bearing in mind the issue of British drivers losing their work permit status in New Zealand on a retrospective basis.
It seems obvious to who? In order for 50% of loads entering the country to be on UK trucks, we’d need to have a huge fleet of trucks spread across Europe ready to collect them, and all the other countries in Europe would have to give us priority over their own vehicles. The only thing that’s obvious is what a stupid suggestion it is.
sayersy:
Carryfast:
Winseer:
Has anyone considered that even if we closed our borders to all immigrants AND deported all those already here (totally impractical btw) - we’d still be swamped by all those trucks coming here that get driven by those that do not live, or intend STAYING here.A far easier way of turning this crappy situation to our advantage therefore, is to charge per day per foreign plated vehicle in this country, regardless of it being “on road or not”. If it’s inside the UK - You pay a £10 per day charge.
If you can’t beat 'em - at least let’s end the austerity for the rest of us by soaking them, so that only the best-heeled will consider coming here to visit or live in the first place.
Once upon a time - you had to be fairly wealthy to be a “tourist” of any description.
Assuming anyone is familiar with driving in the old Yugoslavia at least they’d need to be blind and deaf and a raving socialist to not notice that there are historic ‘issues’ in the case of east european and at least Turkish driving standards.The Russian dash cam footage confirms similar to date.
As for sorting out the ridiculous inbalance in the amount of British registered trucks and/or British drivers transporting our imports and exports,it seems obvious that we need a quota system,which makes it compulsory,for at least 50% of loads leaving and entering the country have go on a British registered truck.As for leaving the EU and thereby denying/removing work permits to east European labour here as we choose,including on a retrospective basis,where’s the problem.Bearing in mind the issue of British drivers losing their work permit status in New Zealand on a retrospective basis.
It seems obvious to who? In order for 50% of loads entering the country to be on UK trucks, we’d need to have a huge fleet of trucks spread across Europe ready to collect them, and all the other countries in Europe would have to give us priority over their own vehicles. The only thing that’s obvious is what a stupid suggestion it is.
A huge fleet of trucks and loads of drivers just like the East Euros are doing now shifting around 75-80% if not more of the loads entering and leaving the country.
As for ‘priority’ which part of ‘quotas’ don’t you understand.
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sayersy:
Carryfast:
Winseer:
Has anyone considered that even if we closed our borders to all immigrants AND deported all those already here (totally impractical btw) - we’d still be swamped by all those trucks coming here that get driven by those that do not live, or intend STAYING here.A far easier way of turning this crappy situation to our advantage therefore, is to charge per day per foreign plated vehicle in this country, regardless of it being “on road or not”. If it’s inside the UK - You pay a £10 per day charge.
If you can’t beat 'em - at least let’s end the austerity for the rest of us by soaking them, so that only the best-heeled will consider coming here to visit or live in the first place.
Once upon a time - you had to be fairly wealthy to be a “tourist” of any description.
Assuming anyone is familiar with driving in the old Yugoslavia at least they’d need to be blind and deaf and a raving socialist to not notice that there are historic ‘issues’ in the case of east european and at least Turkish driving standards.The Russian dash cam footage confirms similar to date.
As for sorting out the ridiculous inbalance in the amount of British registered trucks and/or British drivers transporting our imports and exports,it seems obvious that we need a quota system,which makes it compulsory,for at least 50% of loads leaving and entering the country have go on a British registered truck.As for leaving the EU and thereby denying/removing work permits to east European labour here as we choose,including on a retrospective basis,where’s the problem.Bearing in mind the issue of British drivers losing their work permit status in New Zealand on a retrospective basis.
It seems obvious to who? In order for 50% of loads entering the country to be on UK trucks, we’d need to have a huge fleet of trucks spread across Europe ready to collect them, and all the other countries in Europe would have to give us priority over their own vehicles. The only thing that’s obvious is what a stupid suggestion it is.
exportsfleet of trucks and loads of drivers just like the East Euros are doing now shifting around 75-80% if not more of the loads entering and leaving the country.
As for ‘priority’ which part of ‘quotas’ don’t you understand.
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Are you aware that you’re poking holes in you own argument? The east Euros Have a huge fleet of trucks…we haven’t!
When you talk about Eastern Euros, I presume you mean Polish, Bulgarian, Romanian, Czech, Latvian, Lithuanian, Estonian…then there’s all the other European countries too. A combined fleet of tens of thousands, all competing for work to the UK. How many trucks do you think we have on Euro work? Even if we pulled every truck off domestic work and sent it over the water, we couldn’t cover 50% of the import work. So we would still need the rest of Europe to take the work we couldn’t do, but under your “quota” system, we’d have to tell them they can’t have back loads…because we have to cover 50% of the exports too.
muckles:
Winseer:
Has anyone considered that even if we closed our borders to all immigrants AND deported all those already here (totally impractical btw) - we’d still be swamped by all those trucks coming here that get driven by those that do not live, or intend STAYING here.A far easier way of turning this crappy situation to our advantage therefore, is to charge per day per foreign plated vehicle in this country, regardless of it being “on road or not”. If it’s inside the UK - You pay a £10 per day charge.
You mean like this, it’s already made more money in 6 months than they expected in a year, which means we’ve lost £40m a year for all those years our politicians said isn’t wasn’t worth doing as it wouldn’t make much much money.
Lorry tax windfall bigger than expected - BBC News
It also blows out of the water the argument that foreign haulage companies wouldn’t bother paying it, they pay it in other countries so of course the majority would pay it over here.
If this means it’s already been implemented, I’m suprised it’s only raised less than £1m a week…
You only need 100,000 seperate wagon trips per day @ a tenner a piece to raise that. Wots the current statistics as to “how many wagons are on our roads each day”?
I thought it was a lot more than 100k of foreign ones alone… I figured there’d be that many running through Kent alone! 