cheekymonkey:
You’re missing the point.
The argument is whether someone with very few skills, I.e. a shelf stacker should earn around the same as a HGV driver.
Exactly mate… Some stuff that is obvious is not so to some. 
I don’t think anybody was actually advocating that we should all jack to go shelf stacking ffs.it was just a rate per skill comparison.
dozy:
Mate any one with half a ounce of sense knew stacking shelfs doesn’t earn you a comparable wage to truck driving
Aldi pay more per hour for shelf stackers than the hourly rate on days for Class 2 and many Class 1 jobs in Hull. Downside is they only guarantee 25hrs a week but for the hourly rate you’re definitely on more with Aldi than truck driving where I live.
Rjan:
Carryfast:
SteveBarnsleytrucker:
cheekymonkey:
We should be on par with train drivers at least.Not being funny mate but no we shouldn’t we drive something that at most will weigh 44tonne or if on the heavy haulage game more. A train driver will drive somthing weighing in at a good few hundred tonne, add into that mix a few hundred passengers then you see where I’m coming from.
The question then being does driving 44 tonnes and around 60 ft x 8 ft on public roads involve a larger degree of responsibility than a train on a closed to the public fixed rail track with all the automated driver aids like train signal and collision protection devices.Although LHV’s would obviously be an even more valuable addition to road transport’s productivety and driver responsibility.
Surely you’re not suggesting that the average road vehicle driver is carrying a comparable risk to the average train driver?
So where do I get training to become a Train Driver ? Is it hard to get Into
keebs26uk:
cheekymonkey:
We should be on par with train drivers at least.So where do I get training to become a Train Driver ? Is it hard to get Into
Through one of the train companies I believe, apparently it is hard to get into, loads of tests before you even get selected for the training program and that takes a bit more than couple of weeks.
keebs26uk:
So where do I get training to become a Train Driver ?
The short answer is: you don’t!
Rjan:
Surely you’re not suggesting that the average road vehicle driver is carrying a comparable risk to the average train driver?
As I said what’s more responsibility.Driving and steering up to 44t gross around 60 ft x 8 ft on the public road among the general public and other road users including pedestrians and cyclists.Or not having to steer a train,on a fixed track,that’s closed to the general public,with features like automatic signal and collision protection.On that note let’s just say that the average train driver doesn’t run the risk of going to prison for colliding with a cyclist while turning left for just one example. 
Well said Mr carryfast…our so called profession… Carry’s with it many unseen complications …impactcs points and imprisonment…when if ever has a train driver been subject to that
mrginge:
So you get on £10hr which is more then some Class 1 drivers but some weeks you only get 15hrs a week (Over a few days) which the Class 1 driver can do in one day.That wont stop the usual posters repeating themselves, don’t let facts get in the way of a good story or in this case an argument.
And that is why companies still get away with paying Class 1 drivers the same hourly rate as supermarket shelf stackers because there are a load of idiots like you quite happy to let them off by saying “well they let me work 60hrs a week so I can bring home a decent wage” which isn’t decent at all because its usually around the national average that those people are only doing 36-40hrs a week for, not 55-60.
Yes your right I’m stilll ( fighting not to ) having to turn out for the crap…Cos it is crap…wage that is being banded about today…may I say I’ve after 35 years and two recession’s… I’ve never seen this Industry look so sick.and going nowhere but down for the Driver
montytom:
Hello people as someone who currently works in a supermarket(all be it driving a home shopping van)
I am trying to get my class 1 done this year but the last few months have been tough,
No supermarket now gives full time hours,They give you part time hours which can get put up with overtime.People do get a premium after a certain amount of hours that is true but following a pay review that is no longer happening.
Basically you can work as many hours as you like but on basic pay.Over christmas it was tough I was averaging my flat rate of hours ie 22 and by the time bills come out there is not much left.
On a good take home ie 6 day weeks including every sunday over a 4 week period I can take home £1000.
I am trying to better myself by doing something that I have wanted to do for years and it makes me laugh people thinking supermarket staff can earn as much as a HGV driver.
I hope this is not classed as trolling as I just wanted people to know that supermarkets re not the way to go to earn any money as people on here seem to say quite often.
Thanks Thomas
Its a big wake up call m8 simple . No arm on the window zb these guys are switched on constantly and earn there keep .
Carryfast:
Rjan:
Surely you’re not suggesting that the average road vehicle driver is carrying a comparable risk to the average train driver?As I said what’s more responsibility.Driving and steering up to 44t gross around 60 ft x 8 ft on the public road among the general public and other road users including pedestrians and cyclists.Or not having to steer a train,on a fixed track,that’s closed to the general public,with features like automatic signal and collision protection.On that note let’s just say that the average train driver doesn’t run the risk of going to prison for colliding with a cyclist while turning left for just one example.
If I were driving a truck with hundreds of people on board, at over 100mph, and with brakes so poor as to take many miles to stop the vehicle, I might be of the view the risk was the same. The train driver carries the risk of going to prison if he collides, not just because he ran a red light and failed to stop, but ran a red light and failed to stop many minutes earlier.
The train driver has many other aids that road drivers don’t, but in general I’d say that the average person would be taking a greater risk behind the power handle of a train than the wheel of a road vehicle.
It is also not remotely a lesser skilled job than road driving. True, the train does not have to be manoeuvred around obstacles, but it may have to stop in time for obstacles. The driver also has to set the appropriate speed, stop for lights, and ensure that points are set correctly for his route before proceeding - easier I’m sure on a rural line than through Clapham junction. The track is not closed to the public at all, except in some parts just as some parts of the road system are - and there is no general “automatic signal” or “collision protection” system in place.
The driver’s concentration cannot fail for a moment without the risk of an unrecoverable situation (the fact of which may not even be obvious until nothing can be done). The key features of the entire route must be known entirely before driving it unsupervised, and most changes of speed will be done on memory rather than by sight (unless you’re going to drive the train like a pillock, which would put you on a pathway to dismissal if not remedied). And of course, there are schedules to keep. The driver doesn’t even have a radio to listen to, so crucial is concentration.
That crash in Spain a few years ago, where the driver lived but many passengers didn’t, is testament.
To conclude I’d certainly say that a great many more lives rely on a high standard of behaviour from the train driver, which itself is more difficult to achieve than the standard of behaviour required for driving a truck. If a train driver has any lower risk of killing, it is only because of train drivers are selected for their consistently high standard of driving.
Or those two trains that crashed into each other in Germany a few months back.
quote … That crash in Spain a few years ago, where the driver lived but many passengers didn’t, is testament.
If you are referring to the one in Madrid in 2004 the driver had nothing to do with it unless he was a terrorist because a bomb done it.
raymundo:
quote … That crash in Spain a few years ago, where the driver lived but many passengers didn’t, is testament.If you are referring to the one in Madrid in 2004 the driver had nothing to do with it unless he was a terrorist because a bomb done it.
I think he meant this one.
Aye that’s more like it, thanks Muckles
Rjan:
If I were driving a truck with hundreds of people on board, at over 100mph, and with brakes so poor as to take many miles to stop the vehicle, I might be of the view the risk was the same. The train driver carries the risk of going to prison if he collides, not just because he ran a red light and failed to stop, but ran a red light and failed to stop many minutes earlier.The train driver has many other aids that road drivers don’t, but in general I’d say that the average person would be taking a greater risk behind the power handle of a train than the wheel of a road vehicle.
It is also not remotely a lesser skilled job than road driving. True, the train does not have to be manoeuvred around obstacles, but it may have to stop in time for obstacles. The driver also has to set the appropriate speed, stop for lights, and ensure that points are set correctly for his route before proceeding - easier I’m sure on a rural line than through Clapham junction. The track is not closed to the public at all, except in some parts just as some parts of the road system are - and there is no general “automatic signal” or “collision protection” system in place.
The driver’s concentration cannot fail for a moment without the risk of an unrecoverable situation (the fact of which may not even be obvious until nothing can be done). The key features of the entire route must be known entirely before driving it unsupervised, and most changes of speed will be done on memory rather than by sight (unless you’re going to drive the train like a pillock, which would put you on a pathway to dismissal if not remedied). And of course, there are schedules to keep. The driver doesn’t even have a radio to listen to, so crucial is concentration.
That crash in Spain a few years ago, where the driver lived but many passengers didn’t, is testament.
To conclude I’d certainly say that a great many more lives rely on a high standard of behaviour from the train driver, which itself is more difficult to achieve than the standard of behaviour required for driving a truck. If a train driver has any lower risk of killing, it is only because of train drivers are selected for their consistently high standard of driving.
Firstly I didn’t say that driving a train is a less skilled job than driving a truck.I said that driving a truck isn’t a less skilled job than driving a train.
As for the track not being closed to the public and other road users.Feel free to explain under what circumstances a train driver would be charged with causing a casualty in the event of colliding with a pedestrian or a cyclist or colliding with any other type of non rail traffic on the line.
Carryfast:
Firstly I didn’t say that driving a train is a less skilled job than driving a truck.I said that driving a truck isn’t a less skilled job than driving a train.
Not to denigrate ourselves and our responsibilities as truck drivers, but I genuinely think it would be harder to achieve and maintain the standard of a train driver and fewer would be able to, and (perhaps more compellingly) that the risks which hinge on a single individual’s standard of driving are not so great on the roads as the railways.
As for the track not being closed to the public and other road users.Feel free to explain under what circumstances a train driver would be charged with causing a casualty in the event of colliding with a pedestrian or a cyclist or colliding with any other type of non rail traffic on the line.
Well if he pulls away from the station carelessly and drags someone under, he’d be at fault. If he runs what we call a red light (and which could conceivably involve colliding with a cyclist, for example at a level crossing), he’d be at fault. If he speeds and jumps the track, he’d be at fault. If he gives such a rough ride as to injure those on board, or damage the train or infrastructure, he’d be at fault.
There are also the same sorts of regulations about breaks and hours, but much stiffer on the railways. There are speed traps. Driving style is also much more closely monitored. Many of these things might not carry the threat of criminal sanctions, but they carry the threat of dismissal (which for a train driver would usually be once and for all). The rules which govern the railways more widely than the role of the driver are also vast, stringently enforced, and do carry criminal sanctions.
I’m afraid there are very few comparisons I can see where a train driver has it easier than a truck driver in terms of skills - other than steering and turning, which obviously has no direct comparison on the railways.
If the driving standards of train drivers were applied to truckers, I fear most of us wouldn’t have licences (and certainly not without upping our game).
mrginge:
ALDI
Hens teeth. You’ll be beaten by people with previous experience/mathematics qualifications (A levels or “O levels” 
). Regular shop work will be minimum wage. If you work for a subcontractor type situation (brand is run by another company) you’ll all be paid the same, and your pay rise will coincide with minimum wage going up. (My co-workers never realised this until I asked if there’d been a pay rise the year before, you guess the rest).
An 18 year old with a C1 licence will earn more than a shop worker, possibly £2 more.
C1=7.5t licence.
Sure you don’t mean CE ?
Dav1d:
C1=7.5t licence.
Sure you don’t mean CE ?
No I meant C1. It’s easier to do (a 5t van vs. a 12-18t truck) and the work is better paid that shop work. (7.5-8 vs. 5.5-6.5). Then again on 7.5t work with lots of heavy lifting you usually find middle aged white men. (Not racially stereotyping, but in easier jobs (say, Tesco) you see a wider variety of races and creeds than in harder jobs like Palletways or Nightfright/DX).
But if they could find work I’d tell 18 year olds fresh out of school with no clue what they want to do to go get their licence.