Just recieved one of these PCN S for a U Turn.
Although i am the registered owner i wasnt the driver on the date in question.
How do these PCN works do i just inform the council of the drivers details or am i responsible and pay the fine and claim the money back off the driver.
It clearly shows the U Turn and Pictures of the No Uturn Sign a few metres back !
Based on Citizens Advice info on PCN’s it’s whoever is the registered keeper of the vehicle who has to pay it and then claim it back. Don’t mention the fact that you might need to go to court to claim it and they’ll hopefully pay up.
Thanks Trev
Is it not the same as getting one for when cameras have caught someone speeding, asking for drivers name ?
raymundo:
Is it not the same as getting one for when cameras have caught someone speeding, asking for drivers name ?
Thats what i had thought ray but it seems not for parking turns etc it seems it s registered to the owner of the vehicle regardless whom was driving maybe its because that s their is no points on licence involved
There is no point in even appealing as the picture of the no u turn sign is clearly visible 
Make a phone call to the issuing authority and ask …
It’s much easier.
Anyone heard of this act of unregistering the vehicle and using your right to travel as a freeman? Stumbled on it last week on YouTube.
Ah the old freeman law nutters. Funny how there isn’t a single recorded case of their bollox ever having achieved anything. We had a nutter near us who used the Freeman of the Land defence when he got caught growing cannabis. Still got sentenced.
You’re quite free to unregister it and you can tell the coppers who stop you that you’re a Freeman of the Land and have opted out to statutory law. They’ll still seize your vehicle under that law you say you don’t agree with so aren’t following and they’ll still haul you into court.
if theres no points involved, notify the driver of the offence, pay it, forget it, then ask the driver politely to cough up or your gonna get the big boys round. 
As for the unregistering of a vehicle, i think thats an offence in itself, all motorised vehicles have to be registered ( someone will be along shortly to correct me if i`m wrong ) I think if you were to unregister, DVLA will want to know who the next keeper is, unless you export it, or take it abroad and re register on foreign plates, then you will need citizenship to do that.
raymundo:
Is it not the same as getting one for when cameras have caught someone speeding, asking for drivers name ?
If it is a penalty charge notice that he has received (rather than a notice of intended prosecution) then it is a decriminalised offence being enforced by a local authority so it isn’t the same as a criminal offence such as speeding.
If it was an offence being enforced by the police the registered keeper would get the section 172 request to identify the driver which doubles as the NIP.
If a PCN isn’t paid within the specified time then the council will enforce the debt against the registered keeper.
The best thing to do is pay up straight away (since there will probably be a reduced rate for prompt payment) and chase up the driver yourself - and never let them drive your vehicle again/disown them as a friend/sack them if they’re an employee if they don’t pay you.
well done Glen, education is a fine thing…thank you, so a CPN is in the same league as a parking ticket, where as a nip is a nickable offence.
truckyboy:
if theres no points involved, notify the driver of the offence, pay it, forget it, then ask the driver politely to cough up or your gonna get the big boys round.
As for the unregistering of a vehicle, i think thats an offence in itself, all motorised vehicles have to be registered ( someone will be along shortly to correct me if i`m wrong ) I think if you were to unregister, DVLA will want to know who the next keeper is, unless you export it, or take it abroad and re register on foreign plates, then you will need citizenship to do that.
the v5 has to have the registered keepers details,not the owner…if the registered keeper is a limited company,then even if its speeding or any offence that involves points,the registerd keeper cannot get points for refusing to say who was the driver.always handy to know if your a 1 man band…put ltd on the v5…get the nip in the post…refuse to name the driver,and get done for not naming…you get fined,but no points as its limited and not personal.
truckyboy:
well done Glen, education is a fine thing…thank you, so a CPN is in the same league as a parking ticket, where as a nip is anickableoffence.
Yes, in some cities certain moving traffic offences (prohibited turns, yellow boxes, bus lanes etc) have been decriminalised so the councils can enforce them in the same way as parking offences.
This means you can’t get points on your licence, but you are more likely to get caught if you do them, since they are likely to have CCTV enforcement.
dieseldog999:
refuse to name the driver,and get done for not naming…you get fined,but no points as its limited and not personal.
That depends if you’d rather your company got a large fine from the courts, rather than £100 and three points yourself.
what I was meaning was…ifyour an owner driver etc…register the logbbok as your name…ltd a ltd registered keeper cant get points for not disclosing the drivers details…i.e take a heavy fine,plus no points…or…take £100 and 3 points…when you get the nip if your ltd,just refuse to disclose the driver…you then get done for refusing to disclose…if your a private individual,then you get crucified…if your ltd then its just a decent fine,but a ltd co cant receive points…and in this game,points make bus passes.
But the point is you (your company) will be taken to court for the failing to disclose offence, and the judge is going to throw the book at an owner-driver who refuses to name themselves as the driver.
Is not getting three points worth a fine of thousands of pounds?
And I don’t think the TC will look kindly at such convictions in the company’s name either…
Glen A9:
But the point is you (your company) will be taken to court for the failing to disclose offence, and the judge is going to throw the book at an owner-driver who refuses to name themselves as the driver.
Is not getting three points worth a fine of thousands of pounds?And I don’t think the TC will look kindly at such convictions in the company’s name either…
well its not going to be "thousands of poundsand whos to say who was driving anyway…a lot of o/d don’t work 24/7. some might work nearly 24/7 but who is to say who was driving if the owner refuses…and the tc can look kindly or otherwise as there never there to do anyone a favour to start with.certinly a viable option if your points are going to get you banned…a grand or so fne will be peanuts compared to what you would lose with being banned…its a working loophole for anyone to take if they don’t want the points…who dares wins… 
I can’t be bothered to look up what the maximum penalty for the offence is, but if the court thinks someone is taking the ■■■■ it is going to be at the higher end of the scale, a four figure sum is a certainty.
And if the TC invites the company to a hearing to explain why it should have an O-licence if it doesn’t know who is driving its vehicles, then that could be the vehicle off the road if the licence is suspended.
Is it worth all that unless you are on 11 points already?
And in any case, if the original alleged was serious enough, the police could gather other evidence to prosecute the driver anyway.
Glen A9:
I can’t be bothered to look up what the maximum penalty for the offence is, but if the court thinks someone is taking the ■■■■ it is going to be at the higher end of the scale, a four figure sum is a certainty.And if the TC invites the company to a hearing to explain why it should have an O-licence if it doesn’t know who is driving its vehicles, then that could be the vehicle off the road if the licence is suspended.
Is it worth all that unless you are on 11 points already?
And in any case, if the original alleged was serious enough, the police could gather other evidence to prosecute the driver anyway.
the question of a company not knowing who is driving is not the issue.and its the individuals choice to name or not,hence the reason that they made it a fine if you don’t name the driver as in most common offences…I think most owner drivers would rather throw away a grand away than get banned…and theres no obligation for any person with a v5 in a lts companies name to name a driver.so the tc can wag its finger and huff,but not a lot can be done,at least ive never known anyone that’s done it already to have any greif from doing so ( and I know a few personally). knowing and proving works fine…each to their own…if theres a law,theres a loophole,most of the common offences have been well plugged years ago,the less common ones still have gaps. for me,id blow a grand,keep my licence,and worry about any collateral flak when it comes…just all boils down to if your a plobber or want to use your initative and wriggle out of a ban whether now or in the future when you may not be able to bounce the points…as before…each to their own.