moomooland:
2This is a brand new Seddon Atkinson 400 Series tractor unit in factory primer probably being delivered to a customer in South Wales on trade plates.Notice how the rear wings and stays already seem to be coated in rust “Quality British engineering” at its best and people ask what happened to our truck industry no doubt mild steel wings stored outside and someone will be expecting the paint shop to rub them down and prep them when in reality they’ll have had a coat of primer and gloss and be rotting off in two years.
1Here’s a brand new 401 in the same factory paint job.
0The last Atkinson Defender to be built at Walton le Dale with the then brand new 400 Series moving up the production line all in factory primer.
Bewick:
I’ve noticed that quite a number of those Coilers have their tandem bogies well back on the chassis so surely this must have given rise to overloading problems on the unit drive axle ? just an observation from a long retired haulier ! Cheers Bewick.
Bearing in mind it’s the type of load which will always need to be placed forward of the trailer axles not on or behind them.Then surely the further back the axles are the better in that regard ?.Which then leaves the question of the flaw in the 4 x 2 tractor unit design regardless as you’ve rightly pointed out.Which then leaves the question why was/is everyone so keen on the 2 + 3 configuration for 38 t operation let alone Euroland in the case of 40 t ?. 
Having said that check out the DAF with two coils loaded on the trailer. 
Which suggests that even with the front end of the trailer almost at the point of collapse no one seems to have been that bothered about drive axle weights. 
Hi Steve now you got me thinking kelvins home on the weekend il let him have a look I’m beginning to think your right no vizer or was it handed later I remember your dad buying it and giving it to kelvin it was a Saturday and I was in Caerphilly social in a andrew clashes wedding around the corner I wondered around to have a look my misses went nuts when I came back 1 hour later ah ah I’m thinking I might paint my Transcon in xhb 461 t coulers and it’s time you called in hope your all well best regards rowly
Wood merchants with several outlets Leics. Still going mostly Dafs now. They fetched wood direct from docks which I’ve been led to believe is not as straight forward as it seems, bit of a closed shop, someone will know
Carryfast:
Bewick:
I’ve noticed that quite a number of those Coilers have their tandem bogies well back on the chassis so surely this must have given rise to overloading problems on the unit drive axle ? just an observation from a long retired haulier ! Cheers Bewick.Bearing in mind it’s the type of load which will always need to be placed forward of the trailer axles not on or behind them.Then surely the further back the axles are the better in that regard ?.Which then leaves the question of the flaw in the 4 x 2 tractor unit design regardless as you’ve rightly pointed out.Which then leaves the question why was/is everyone so keen on the 2 + 3 configuration for 38 t operation let alone Euroland in the case of 40 t ?.
Having said that check out the DAF with two coils loaded on the trailer.
Hi, Someone on this thread has pointed out that the coils are 18 ton each, my very simple brain would have to ask, to stay within C&U, what configuration “would” do the job ■■? Harvey
Fred Sherwood Harlows both from Long Whatton Loughborough. Sherwood’s above 90 motors now I’m told, they buy new but any make
coomsey:
Wood merchants with several outlets Leics. Still going mostly Dafs now. They fetched wood direct from docks which I’ve been led to believe is not as straight forward as it seems, bit of a closed shop, someone will know
Not sure about being a closed shop but here’s a busy scene at A.E. Smith Coggins Ltd Liverpool who were known back in the day as ‘Master Porters and Stevedore’s’
Nice ERF KV Chinese six in the foreground.
Click on picture to view full size.
kingswinford kit:
Hi Dean , Great stuff again , Glyn John F88 ,reminds me they had Ford D series on the Leiner contract ,i think with Leiner signwriting ,and mention of bones ,Joint Motorways hauled them in from the continent ,regards Keith .
Thanks Keith for your comments.
moomooland:
2This is a brand new Seddon Atkinson 400 Series tractor unit in factory primer probably being delivered to a customer in South Wales on trade plates.
1Here’s a brand new 401 in the same factory paint job.
0The last Atkinson Defender to be built at Walton le Dale with the then brand new 400 Series moving up the production line all in factory primer.
Nice pics again Paul !
saltiel1411:
rward:
The Faye’s of Manchester with Transcon pulling it was really xhb 461t with my brother driving it owned by r@b Bedwas road Caerphilly which my brother later bought of r@b wat a machine as an owner driver around Europe .
The glyn John 88 was under p liners coulers I think long time ago regards rowlyEvening Rowland, just having a look for the first time in a while and what a surprise! A picture of what i believe is dad’s first transcon pwo140r don’t look like xhb to me or your brother for one the curtains are drawn 2 the near side mirror in the wrong position 3 condition of the drive axle mud guards and last but not least dose not seem to be travelling fast enough for your brother.
Be nice to know who was the driver can’t quite make him out hope your well
If you have any pics “saltiel1411” of your dad’s trucks pop them on ! 
Bewick:
I’ve noticed that quite a number of those Coilers have their tandem bogies well back on the chassis so surely this must have given rise to overloading problems on the unit drive axle ? just an observation from a long retired haulier ! Cheers Bewick.
Bewick:
And just to keep that last new Atki 8 wheeler company on this great thread a shot of a new Borderer having just been delivered in late '73 ! Cheers Dennis.
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Those Borderers certainly have character ! Out of intrest why did they fit the second higher bumper just
below the headlights ? Was it to protect the radiator ■■? 
Spud1960:
moomooland:
2This is a brand new Seddon Atkinson 400 Series tractor unit in factory primer probably being delivered to a customer in South Wales on trade plates.Notice how the rear wings and stays already seem to be coated in rust “Quality British engineering” at its best and people ask what happened to our truck industry no doubt mild steel wings stored outside and someone will be expecting the paint shop to rub them down and prep them when in reality they’ll have had a coat of primer and gloss and be rotting off in two years.
1Here’s a brand new 401 in the same factory paint job.
0The last Atkinson Defender to be built at Walton le Dale with the then brand new 400 Series moving up the production line all in factory primer.
Unbelievable that they have all gone really ,shocking management in some cases.
Carryfast:
Bewick:
I’ve noticed that quite a number of those Coilers have their tandem bogies well back on the chassis so surely this must have given rise to overloading problems on the unit drive axle ? just an observation from a long retired haulier ! Cheers Bewick.Bearing in mind it’s the type of load which will always need to be placed forward of the trailer axles not on or behind them.Then surely the further back the axles are the better in that regard ?.Which then leaves the question of the flaw in the 4 x 2 tractor unit design regardless as you’ve rightly pointed out.Which then leaves the question why was/is everyone so keen on the 2 + 3 configuration for 38 t operation let alone Euroland in the case of 40 t ?.
Having said that check out the DAF with two coils loaded on the trailer.
rward:
Hi Steve now you got me thinking kelvins home on the weekend il let him have a look I’m beginning to think your right no vizer or was it handed later I remember your dad buying it and giving it to kelvin it was a Saturday and I was in Caerphilly social in a andrew clashes wedding around the corner I wondered around to have a look my misses went nuts when I came back 1 hour later ah ah I’m thinking I might paint my Transcon in xhb 461 t coulers and it’s time you called in hope your all well best regards rowly
Just imagaine the Mrs Rowly throwing a wobbly with you wandering off to look at a truck ! Classic.
coomsey:
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Wood merchants with several outlets Leics. Still going mostly Dafs now. They fetched wood direct from docks which I’ve been led to believe is not as straight forward as it seems, bit of a closed shop, someone will know
Thanks for your comments coomsey !
HRS:
Carryfast:
Bewick:
I’ve noticed that quite a number of those Coilers have their tandem bogies well back on the chassis so surely this must have given rise to overloading problems on the unit drive axle ? just an observation from a long retired haulier ! Cheers Bewick.Bearing in mind it’s the type of load which will always need to be placed forward of the trailer axles not on or behind them.Then surely the further back the axles are the better in that regard ?.Which then leaves the question of the flaw in the 4 x 2 tractor unit design regardless as you’ve rightly pointed out.Which then leaves the question why was/is everyone so keen on the 2 + 3 configuration for 38 t operation let alone Euroland in the case of 40 t ?.
Having said that check out the DAF with two coils loaded on the trailer.
Hi, Someone on this thread has pointed out that the coils are 18 ton each, my very simple brain would have to ask, to stay within C&U, what configuration “would” do the job ■■? Harvey
coomsey:
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Fred Sherwood Harlows both from Long Whatton Loughborough. Sherwood’s above 90 motors now I’m told, they buy new but any make
Nice pic coomsey !
moomooland:
coomsey:
Wood merchants with several outlets Leics. Still going mostly Dafs now. They fetched wood direct from docks which I’ve been led to believe is not as straight forward as it seems, bit of a closed shop, someone will knowNot sure about being a closed shop but here’s a busy scene at A.E. Smith Coggins Ltd Liverpool who were known back in the day as ‘Master Porters and Stevedore’s’
0Nice ERF KV Chinese six in the foreground.
Click on picture to view full size.
That’s a cracking picture Paul, i like those type of photos !
A few Fodens about today.
North Eastern BRS 110 Scania
Cant make the name out on the Dodge ■■?
E Curran & Son Foden.
R & D Transport Foden.
James Lynch & Son Foden.
Metal Box Foden.
H & G Robbins Scania 110
Griffin Mill Garage Ltd Volvo F10
Oakley Marathon.
Bedford TM of Woden.
pete 359:
Hi Dean,
Outstanding input again,thanks.I think the 290 F88 is from the Glyn S.John hire fleet?
Regards andrew.
Although I can’t make out the full name on the door,it ends in …■■? International Transport Ltd,if that helps?
David
DEANB:
That’s a cracking picture Paul, i like those type of photos !
So do i Dean, here’s a couple more.
moomooland:
coomsey:
Wood merchants with several outlets Leics. Still going mostly Dafs now. They fetched wood direct from docks which I’ve been led to believe is not as straight forward as it seems, bit of a closed shop, someone will knowNot sure about being a closed shop but here’s a busy scene at A.E. Smith Coggins Ltd Liverpool who were known back in the day as ‘Master Porters and Stevedore’s’
0Nice ERF KV Chinese six in the foreground.
Click on picture to view full size.
What a great picture. The “Scotts” Ford Thames van belonged to Scotts Bakery, Scotts were one of the largest bakeries
in Liverpool, their bakery was on Dunnings Bridge Road, close to where the M57 and M58 meet, nowadays known as “Switch Island”.
Regards, Ray Smyth.
Regarding the axle postion on many of the coil trailers - very few of the coilers were 40 footers, most were around the 38’ mark, but with a ‘40 footer’ wheel base - if that makes sense. I gues with the coils needing to be in front of the axles, there maybe wasn’t much need for the extra couple of feet, however if you loaded sheet instead of coil you could easily use all of a 38’ bed. Double stacking oiled steel sheet was out of the question, so 38’ foot seemed an ideal length. Some people used shorter trailers, which were ok for coils, but could be a pain with a load of sheet. I don’t think most of the modern trailers would take a 17 - 18 lump over such a short area mind- might get a bit bendy in the middle I think…
moomooland:
2This is a brand new Seddon Atkinson 400 Series tractor unit in factory primer probably being delivered to a customer in South Wales on trade plates.
1Here’s a brand new 401 in the same factory paint job.
0The last Atkinson Defender to be built at Walton le Dale with the then brand new 400 Series moving up the production line all in factory primer.
How long did the Atkinson factory stay open after the merger , I thought everything moved to Oldham?
HRS:
Carryfast:
Bewick:
I’ve noticed that quite a number of those Coilers have their tandem bogies well back on the chassis so surely this must have given rise to overloading problems on the unit drive axle ? just an observation from a long retired haulier ! Cheers Bewick.Bearing in mind it’s the type of load which will always need to be placed forward of the trailer axles not on or behind them.Then surely the further back the axles are the better in that regard ?.Which then leaves the question of the flaw in the 4 x 2 tractor unit design regardless as you’ve rightly pointed out.Which then leaves the question why was/is everyone so keen on the 2 + 3 configuration for 38 t operation let alone Euroland in the case of 40 t ?.
Having said that check out the DAF with two coils loaded on the trailer.
Hi, Someone on this thread has pointed out that the coils are 18 ton each, my very simple brain would have to ask, to stay within C&U, what configuration “would” do the job ■■? Harvey
I’d guess that 3 + 2 might have worked with a 40 ft trailer at 32t gross.Thereby allowing ideal weight distribution between unit and trailer ?.But I can understand how the tare weight of the unit could be a problem in that case v the gross.
Which leaves the question that maybe that type of indivisible load should have been considered as being on the margins of STGO operations and allowed to run as such.
DEANB:
Whilst going through some old magazines i happened to come across this article ! What caught my eye
was some of the dodgy characters interviewed,that are also on this thread !Click on pages twice to read.
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I liked the quote "Old Bewick boss Dennis Smith " , it didn`t say how old though
DEANB:
Bedford TM of Woden.0
That would have been a nice wagon to drive if was specced with the 6 v 71.
ramone:
moomooland:
2This is a brand new Seddon Atkinson 400 Series tractor unit in factory primer probably being delivered to a customer in South Wales on trade plates.
1Here’s a brand new 401 in the same factory paint job.
0The last Atkinson Defender to be built at Walton le Dale with the then brand new 400 Series moving up the production line all in factory primer.How long did the Atkinson factory stay open after the merger , I thought everything moved to Oldham?
All the MK11 chassis were built at Walton-le-Dale and when the 400 Series was launched they were built at both Walton-le-dale and Woodstock at Oldham. This caused another controversy as it was claimed that a W-le-D chassis was better built than a Woodstock one, which may have been so but I believe that by this time in '75 a bit of “needle” had crept in as the Oldham lot knew they had the upper hand as it was Seddons that had taken Atkys over and not vise-versa ! Cheers Dennis.
ramone:
DEANB:
Whilst going through some old magazines i happened to come across this article ! What caught my eye
was some of the dodgy characters interviewed,that are also on this thread !Click on pages twice to read.
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I liked the quote "Old Bewick boss Dennis Smith " , it didn`t say how old though
Too ■■■■■■■ old now “Ramone” !! Dennis.
I see that the Great Man has re-surfaced on this fine thread and is intent on imparting his vast knowledge on the haulage of coils and coil trailers to all members, does this Lad’s breadth of information on all transport related matters know no bounds ! Bewick.