PAUL GEE's PHOTO COLLECTION (Part 1)

[deanb]

moomooland:
1Legget Freightways Ltd had a large depot in Bredbury near Stockport which closed in 2009.
They also had depots across the country at Bothwell, Peterlee, Bridgend, Swindon, Bridgewater, Faversham, Thetford, Southampton and Enfield.
On the 13th of January 2011 Leggett Freightways Ltd (not to be confused with Leggett Logistics) appointed administrators.

0Three of Leggett’s Seddon Atkinson 401’s pictured at Bredbury depot.
Photograph courtesy of Carl Jarman.

Cheers Paul, nice pic !

gazsa401:

moomooland:
1Legget Freightways Ltd had a large depot in Bredbury near Stockport which closed in 2009.
They also had depots across the country at Bothwell, Peterlee, Bridgend, Swindon, Bridgewater, Faversham, Thetford, Southampton and Enfield.
On the 13th of January 2011 Leggett Freightways Ltd (not to be confused with Leggett Logistics) appointed administrators.

0Three of Leggett’s Seddon Atkinson 401’s pictured at Bredbury depot.
Photograph courtesy of Carl Jarman.

They also had a depot on London Road in Nottingham it was used for filming the TV show “Boon”
At Stirlands we often stored film props and sets in our warehouses for the ITV regional broadcaster Central

Thanks for your input “gazsa401”

pete smith:

gazsa401:

moomooland:
1Legget Freightways Ltd had a large depot in Bredbury near Stockport which closed in 2009.
They also had depots across the country at Bothwell, Peterlee, Bridgend, Swindon, Bridgewater, Faversham, Thetford, Southampton and Enfield.
On the 13th of January 2011 Leggett Freightways Ltd (not to be confused with Leggett Logistics) appointed administrators.

0Three of Leggett’s Seddon Atkinson 401’s pictured at Bredbury depot.
Photograph courtesy of Carl Jarman.

They also had a depot on London Road in Nottingham it was used for filming the TV show “Boon”
At Stirlands we often stored film props and sets in our warehouses for the ITV regional broadcaster Central

Any souveniers from Auf Weidersehen pet Gaz?!

240 Gardner:

Bewick:
Many thanks for the comprehensive explanation Chris ! I seem to recall Ian Fowler telling me Scotts Of Nottingham sold P & O a number of Atky tractor units. As regards that terrible spec CU220/ DB 6:600/ Group axle I recall that I had three Borderers on the fleet with that poxy gear box, '73, '74 & '75. The later ones did a decent job from memory, one had the D85 diff and the other had the Eaton 2 speed axle. But the '73 unit was the worst Atky we ever operated, maybe double shifting it brought out it’s failings quicker but we had problems with the Group axle and we changed the DB box twice from memory and then finally the engine gave problems over heating ! It was 18 months old when I sold it ! And what “rubbed the salt in” was it was a unit I had to beg for at the time when they were in short supply, I paid “List” plus £250 notes sweetner ! Happy days ! Cheers Dennis.
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A shot of the “offender” when it was new.

Now then Dennis, it may well be that Scotts (Penrith depot) sold them some motors - I think that, in the pre-Seddon days, N.I.T., at least, was a Head Office account with Atkinson, and wouldn’t have had to buy through a dealer. Mind you, as you allude, you’d be trying to get motors from anywhere you could at that time, and they were certainly buying them in large numbers.

Concerning the spec, with the ■■■■■■■ max torque being at 1500rpm, but falling away below that, it was OK on the level, as you’d change up at max revs and it drop nicely onto 1500 rpm in the next gear, except… the gap between 4th and 5th was such that it picked up in the next gear at more like 1350, and after a longer pause in the change, so upward changes from 4th gear on any kind of climb were a bit of a non-starter unless it was a gentle climb and the clutch brake worked. It was better with a Gardner, though, and its almost flat torque curve.

Bowker used to spec them with DB 6-speed for trunk motors and Fuller for roamers, on the grounds that the night trunk men couldn’t handle a Fuller! The experience with the DB box also, was that the bearings couldn’t handle the ■■■■■■■ at max torque - I see you mention gearbox changes.

Thanks for your comments “240 Gardner”

240 Gardner:

DEANB:
“240 Gardner” Although i cant think of one at the momment there were quite alot of big companies that
never liked the truck name/badge on the front of there trucks.

Indeed so! Bass was another

Yes i remember there motors with a name on the front !

moomooland:
1Scammell Highwayman Reg No 247 BGO was originally registered new to Shell/BP in 1962.
247 BGO is pictured below at Banbury Steam Rally, Bloxham on the 25th of June 2000.
0 Photograph courtesy of Adam Floyd

Thanks for the pic Paul, hopefully its still on the scene.

moomooland:
1Registered new on the 5th of March 1958 Scammell 15MU Ballast Tractor Reg No UYL 920 was saved for preservation.
Seen below at Rushden Cavalcade on the 29th of April 2017.

0Photograph courtesy of Kevin Quick.

Nice to see the old motors saved Paul, thanks for another good pic !

gazsa401:

pete smith:

gazsa401:

moomooland:
1Legget Freightways Ltd had a large depot in Bredbury near Stockport which closed in 2009.
They also had depots across the country at Bothwell, Peterlee, Bridgend, Swindon, Bridgewater, Faversham, Thetford, Southampton and Enfield.
On the 13th of January 2011 Leggett Freightways Ltd (not to be confused with Leggett Logistics) appointed administrators.

0Three of Leggett’s Seddon Atkinson 401’s pictured at Bredbury depot.
Photograph courtesy of Carl Jarman.

They also had a depot on London Road in Nottingham it was used for filming the TV show “Boon”
At Stirlands we often stored film props and sets in our warehouses for the ITV regional broadcaster Central

Any souveniers from Auf Weidersehen pet Gaz?!

Haha no mate but I did meet Leslie Crowther on a few occasions when he was hosting “The price is right” I often took sets from our yard to the massive Central studios just down the road
I did once meet Stephenie Beecham as one of our 401s was used in the opening scene of her programme “Connie” which was about the rag trade
It was set in Nottingham (when we did have a clothing industry)
They used my Dad’s lorry he had to drive the lorry stop then a actor got in and said a few words
Then my Dad drove off afterwards
I think it’s still on YouTube

Nice side of the job Gaz !

900X20:
Greetings,All.
Ref. the Scammell Reg. No. UYL 920,it looks familiar.I may be wrong but did it belong to the Union Cartage Company for a time? Be interesting to know.
Regards,900x20.

Thanks for your comment “900X20” hopefully someone will confirm !

[deanb]

What a great looking motor,anyone got a pic of it in colour ■■?

[deanb]

Some Atkinsons.

[bewick]

DEANB:
What a great looking motor,anyone got a pic of it in colour ■■?

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That Foden must have been almost unique in those far off days ! you never saw motors “blinged up” like that very often, but a great shot all the same. Cheers Dennis.

[retired_old_fart]

Think “Bright Red”, Dean. As Bewick says, it was most unusual ti see a sizeable fleet with a bit of bling on, but Dee Valley were one of the few. Our little town was right on the route used by the North Wales and the North West hauliers ( no M5 & M6 in those days and certainly no Severn Bridge!). We lived opposite the transport yard where my father worked and most of the DVT drivers would give a blast on those horns as they passed. I can’t say if it’s true or not but the story was that if their drivers wanted to “posh 'em up” a bit, the company would pay half the cost. Certainly didn’t happen in my case- I bought all four auxiliary lights and the radio out of my own pocket!

[pete_smith]

Retired Old ■■■■:
Think “Bright Red”, Dean. As Bewick says, it was most unusual ti see a sizeable fleet with a bit of bling on, but Dee Valley were one of the few. Our little town was right on the route used by the North Wales and the North West hauliers ( no M5 & M6 in those days and certainly no Severn Bridge!). We lived opposite the transport yard where my father worked and most of the DVT drivers would give a blast on those horns as they passed. I can’t say if it’s true or not but the story was that if their drivers wanted to “posh 'em up” a bit, the company would pay half the cost. Certainly didn’t happen in my case- I bought all four auxiliary lights and the radio out of my own pocket!

Here you go Gents,
Obviously NMP but will remove if requested, was posted on DTR’s page for Saviem originally, as he had took a fancy to the air horns as well!

[deanb]

Bewick:

DEANB:
What a great looking motor,anyone got a pic of it in colour ■■?

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That Foden must have been almost unique in those far off days ! you never saw motors “blinged up” like that very often, but a great shot all the same. Cheers Dennis.

Yes Dennis,i dont recall seeing too many motors with wheel trims in photos like that. Mind you i think it
is done just right,not over the top looks smart !

Retired Old ■■■■:
Think “Bright Red”, Dean. As Bewick says, it was most unusual ti see a sizeable fleet with a bit of bling on, but Dee Valley were one of the few. Our little town was right on the route used by the North Wales and the North West hauliers ( no M5 & M6 in those days and certainly no Severn Bridge!). We lived opposite the transport yard where my father worked and most of the DVT drivers would give a blast on those horns as they passed. I can’t say if it’s true or not but the story was that if their drivers wanted to “posh 'em up” a bit, the company would pay half the cost. Certainly didn’t happen in my case- I bought all four auxiliary lights and the radio out of my own pocket!

Cheers “ROF” for your comments ! Some drivers do spend a fortune on trucks that they drive but dont
own !

pete smith:

Retired Old ■■■■:
Think “Bright Red”, Dean. As Bewick says, it was most unusual ti see a sizeable fleet with a bit of bling on, but Dee Valley were one of the few. Our little town was right on the route used by the North Wales and the North West hauliers ( no M5 & M6 in those days and certainly no Severn Bridge!). We lived opposite the transport yard where my father worked and most of the DVT drivers would give a blast on those horns as they passed. I can’t say if it’s true or not but the story was that if their drivers wanted to “posh 'em up” a bit, the company would pay half the cost. Certainly didn’t happen in my case- I bought all four auxiliary lights and the radio out of my own pocket!

Here you go Gents,
Obviously NMP but will remove if requested, was posted on DTR’s page for Saviem originally, as he had took a fancy to the air horns as well!

Cheers Pete ,thanks for posting that pic !

[deanb]

Some pics.

Transcontinental trailer being pulled by Hayes International DAF.

H.H.Williams Scania 110

Butchers Borderer.

Trent Wharfage ERF

Anyone recognise the Borderer ■■ That pic probably brings back memories to nearly everyone that
follows this thread. How many of us were like that boy in the passenger seat ? Thats how most of
us ended up driving trucks,going out with your dad,uncle in your school holidays !

This could be a rare one ! Did T.D. Williams have many Bedford TM’s on the fleet ■■? Or was there
another T.D.Williams as the truck is the wrong colour for the well known one ■■?

Anyone recognise the F88,looks like its doing traction for Geest ■■

Anyone recognise the Atkinson Venturer.

Taylor’s Mercedes tanker.

C.C.Pritchard & Son Seddon Atkinson.

[moomooland]

Photograph courtesy of Colin Pidoux.

Atkinson Venturer KBU 371P was originally operated by AJ Clarke demolition of Oldham who purchased it new in August 1975.
It was later sold on to Tremar Transport above were it is above pictured loaded with stone flags out of a mill in Bacup for delivery to Melksham.
After Tremar finished trading it was then sold it on to John Killingbeck below…

KBU 371P after being purchased by John Killingbeck of Blackburn.
Chris Gardner has all the info on KBU 371P including the story about a dead cat!!

[deanb]

moomooland:
1Photograph courtesy of Colin Pidoux.

Atkinson Venturer KBU 371P is pictured above when operated by Tremar of Stalybridge.

0It was later purchased by John Killingbeck of Blackburn.
Chris Gardner has all the info on KBU 371P including the story about a dead cat!!

Cheers Paul, look forward to hearing about the dead cat story !!

[240_gardner]

DEANB:

moomooland:
1Photograph courtesy of Colin Pidoux.

Atkinson Venturer KBU 371P is pictured above when operated by Tremar of Stalybridge.

0It was later purchased by John Killingbeck of Blackburn.
Chris Gardner has all the info on KBU 371P including the story about a dead cat!!

Cheers Paul, look forward to hearing about the dead cat story !!

KBU was the penultimate Venturer built by Atkinson and, on Dr.John’s ownership, it became one of his “Mk.3 Atkinsons” i.e. it gained a 400 Series cab, and which was quote a big job to fit, I gather

The original cab lay in the yard until Killingbeck finished operations, and then failed to sell at the auction. Here it is leaving the yard the following week, along with the very first Riding sleeper cab, and which also failed to sell.

BVB 457H Atkinson Viewline T3046X by Gardner 8LXB, on Flickr

I didn’t take a photo of KBU in its re-cabbed state, but here are a couple of other Atkis which had the Mk.3 treatment:
Atkinson Searcher VTD 495M by 240 Gardner, on Flickr

[240_gardner]

DEANB:
Cheers Paul, look forward to hearing about the dead cat story !!

P.S. in all the years the cab lay in the yard, it became home to a feral or semi-feral cat, and which brought up at least one litter of kittens in there.

When it came to the auction time, it was discovered that the long-missing cat was in there, and by which time it was rather mummified! It was still there when we took it away, but one of the A Team gave it a decent burial… in Bowker’s skip!

[deanb]

Some odds and sods !

ARC Foden.

Ackworth

BRS AEC

Babycham Seddon.

Middle East spec bedford ?

Alston foundry Commer.

What make is this ■■ Dont think its a Scammell Scarab maybe FAR ■■?

Leyland

Guinness Guy tanker.

Thames Trader removal truck.

[moomooland]

240 Gardner:
The original cab lay in the yard until Killingbeck finished operations, and then failed to sell at the auction. Here it is leaving the yard the following week, along with the very first Riding sleeper cab, and which also failed to sell.

‘Ay-up Chris’ just run your picture through Picasa for an MOT.

[240_gardner]

DEANB:
Some Atkinsons.

Here’s the York one again:
York Freightmaster by Graham Newell, on Flickr

[240_gardner]

moomooland:

240 Gardner:
The original cab lay in the yard until Killingbeck finished operations, and then failed to sell at the auction. Here it is leaving the yard the following week, along with the very first Riding sleeper cab, and which also failed to sell.

‘Ay-up Chris’ just put your picture through Picasa for an MOT.

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That’s a big improvement, thank you Paul!

[5thwheel]

DEANB:
Some odds and sods !

ARC Foden.

9

Ackworth

8

BRS AEC

7

Babycham Seddon.

6

Middle East spec bedford ?

5

Alston foundry Commer.

4

What make is this ■■ Dont think its a Scammell Scarab maybe FAR ■■?

3

Leyland

1

Guinness Guy tanker.

2

Thames Trader removal truck.

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7th picture down,looks as though they are getting ready for a day trunk…sorry Dean!

David

[bewick]

DEANB:
Some odds and sods !

ARC Foden.

9

Ackworth

8

BRS AEC

7

Babycham Seddon.

6

Middle East spec bedford ?

5

Alston foundry Commer.

4

What make is this ■■ Dont think its a Scammell Scarab maybe FAR ■■?

3

Leyland

1

Guinness Guy tanker.

2

Thames Trader removal truck.

0

That shot of The Alston Iron Foundry Commer Steer is interesting, we used to stop with them at Durose Care at Newcastle-U Lyme IIRC they used to deliver castings into the West Midlands and reload with Foundry sand at Bromsgrove for home. I think they are long gone now but I reckon they would have bought their Commers of J.H. Henderson who were Rootes Group and Commer dealers IIRC. Hendersons also ran a fine haulage outfit based down in Langwathby nr. Penrith but they operated Leylands in the earlier years and ERF’s in later times. Cheers Bewick.

[240_gardner]

Bewick:
[
That shot of The Alston Iron Foundry Commer Steer is interesting, we used to stop with them at Durose Care at Newcastle-U Lyme IIRC they used to deliver castings into the West Midlands and reload with Foundry sand at Bromsgrove for home. I think they are long gone now but I reckon they would have bought their Commers of J.H. Henderson who were Rootes Group and Commer dealers IIRC. Hendersons also ran a fine haulage outfit based down in Langwathby nr. Penrith but they operated Leylands in the earlier years and ERF’s in later times. Cheers Bewick.

I’m pretty sure that it’s a Pete Davies photo from one of his books.

I didn’t know that Henderson was a CV dealer, but I used to talk to Tony quite a bit as we often subbed work to him in the 80s and early 90s - always a gentleman to deal with. John Douglas was working for him at that time too. He ran an Atki or two alongside his ERFs as well

[bewick]

240 Gardner:

Bewick:
[
That shot of The Alston Iron Foundry Commer Steer is interesting, we used to stop with them at Durose Care at Newcastle-U Lyme IIRC they used to deliver castings into the West Midlands and reload with Foundry sand at Bromsgrove for home. I think they are long gone now but I reckon they would have bought their Commers of J.H. Henderson who were Rootes Group and Commer dealers IIRC. Hendersons also ran a fine haulage outfit based down in Langwathby nr. Penrith but they operated Leylands in the earlier years and ERF’s in later times. Cheers Bewick.

I’m pretty sure that it’s a Pete Davies photo from one of his books.

I didn’t know that Henderson was a CV dealer, but I used to talk to Tony quite a bit as we often subbed work to him in the 80s and early 90s - always a gentleman to deal with. John Douglas was working for him at that time too. He ran an Atki or two alongside his ERFs as well

Hi Chris, J H Henderson & Sons was a old established family firm based in Alston where the other branch of the family ran the garage and motor business, obviously with Alston being up " int sticks" it was sensible to run the haulage side down near the main roads i.e. nr. Penrith. So in later years Tony ran the haulage operation and his cousins ran the Alston operation. Now I don’t know whether you ever met Tony’s father Bob ( One of the Sons of J.H.) but he was some character, it was him that built up the haulage side he used to roam all over the UK visiting contacts ! He would occasionally pop into see us at Milthorpe always at lunch time and with a bag of fish and chips, " Is there a brew on lads"? Bob always ran a newish Hillman/Singer car which would come from the Alston garage and IIRC Bob lived in Alston. During the 70’s we did exchange a bit of traffic regularly with JHH and as you say Tony was a very decent Chap to deal with. His Brother Ian was a Policeman in Kendal for years ! Cheers Dennis.