colinwallace1:
The red steel cab ERF belongs to Bob James from Rothley, Leicestershire.
Thanks for that Colin! I’ll pop the pic on the relevant ERF thread 
. Robert
240 Gardner:
jshepguis:
Dean this is not a definitive Atkinson answer Chris can give you a more concise answer i think he has told you before
Second photo is a these ran from 1972 to end of production the quick visual difference is the raised headboard and interior trim had a pepperpot holed type trim.
Borderer (sorry, not quite… see below!)You can see the interior trim on this third picture, but is this a Silver Knight or a Borderer because as the cabs were basically the same they could be swapped updated. Sandersons who my father drove for had a late Silver Knight model YVN 321K which was involved in an acccident about a year into service on the A38 one night and was recabbed with a later Borderer cab. Hope this helps again and Chris can correct any errors on my part
OK, since you asked…
0‘Silver Knight’ was the term used by Atkinson for all tractor units from 1964 to late 1970, including big bonneted tractors, View-Lines, etc. The generic name was then supplemented by a code to identify what it was in more detail.
Examples would be:
T3046X Tractor, 30T, 4 wheels, 6 cylinder, 6LX engine
BT7566C Bonneted Tractor, 75T, 6 wheels, 6 cylinder, ■■■■■■■ engine (power rating not included in those days)
T3266RR Tractor, 32T, 6 wheels (6x4), 6 cylinder, Rolls-Royce engine
TRS3266XB Tractor Rear Steer, 32T, 6 wheels (6x2), 6 cylinder, 6LXB engine
The new Mk.2 cab was announced at the 1967 Scottish Motor Show at Kelvin Hall, and went into production late the following year. Tractors were still Silver Knights, but designated as Mk.2.
A complete new range was announced at the 1970 Commercial Motor Show at Earls Court: the cabs carried over virtually unchanged, but chassis frames for the Borderer (4x2 tractor) and Leader (6x2 tractor) were changed substantially. Therefore, although a Borderer looks superficially similar to a Mk.2 4x2 tractor, the underpinnings have changed. The frame depth is different, as are the wheelbase and the gross weight rating. Fuller gearboxes became a standard list item for the first time too.
Visual clues for the anorak are, mirror arms projected forward of the A-post instead of a simple short tube on the door, a square-ish section 62 gallon fuel tank instead of a round 54 gallon tank, new badging and the deletion of the knight’s head (although many people fitted them in service) and, of course, the wheelbase. Just to confuse everyone though, a short wheelbase of 9’ 6” was still available as an option on the Borderer, against the standard 10’8”.
Not to mention, of course, the age: an H-plate Mk.2 tractor (August 1969-July 1970) simply cannot be a Borderer, because they weren’t even announced until October 1970.
The cab was revised slightly in 1972, with a larger headboard and improved sound deadening inside, together with new perforated plastic interior panels replacing the fibreglass panels.
‘Leader’ was a new 38T tractor, designed for the much-anticipated weight increases which never happened. It was altogether sturdier than the outgoing Mk.2 Rear Steer, designed principally to meet the legislation requiring 5 axles for most 32 tonners (based on outer axle spread). Leader had a stronger frame, different wheelbases and running gear, and different suspension on the second steer axle.
‘Venturer’ was a 6x4 tractor, again aimed at the naively-expected 44T operation, but also available to operate at higher weights, eventually up to 75T. Of course, there were all sorts of special order variations on this, as with most Atkinsons.
The detailed variant descriptions continued in the same format, so a Borderer could be, for example, T3446C, 34T gross with a ■■■■■■■■ Later on, suffixes were added such as T3446C(G) to denote a ‘Group’ (i.e. Seddon) drive axle, or power ratings for ■■■■■■■ and RR engines so you could have, say, T3446C250 for a Borderer with a 250 ■■■■■■■■ The most powerful option offered on the Borderer was the turbocharged Rolls 280, although only a handful were ever built.
A most informative post 
, thank you! Robert
Great photos Dean and Paul , love the Rockwool/Brs Bridgend depot small Scania . 
Here’s one of Atkinsons ‘Stainmore Duke’ northbound on the A40 at Monmouth 01.04.19…Great thread, interesting photo’s and info…
Punchy Dan:
I think the N10 EAB114S possibly is the one my uncle bought 2nd hand ,it was new to a fuel firm from tenbury wells who didn’t keep it long before selling it to Holland’s cheese nr Nantwich who made it a sleeper cab ,my uncle was the 3rd owner ,Steve Poole a scrap merchant from stoke ran it after and then Aden Hare from fole ,it’s now in preservation.
Edit ,Henry Edwards & Co from Tenbury Wells .
hi Dean
I wanted to thank you so much for the photos, you have photos.
do you have photos of fiat, iveco, magirus, foreigners?
thank you
bye
MIMMO
Punchy Dan:
That’s Me in the bottom picture
I always thought you were so much older Dan.
robroy:
Punchy Dan:
That’s Me in the bottom picture
I spent a very pleasent hour or two with Dan last week Robroy and can assure you that he is considerably older now, however I also remember him like he is in the pic so I must be older as well! 
Those togs still fit him though…
Pete.
windrush:
robroy:
Punchy Dan:
That’s Me in the bottom picture
I spent a very pleasent hour or two with Dan last week Robroy and can assure you that he is considerably older now, however I also remember him like he is in the pic so I must be older as well!
Pete.
So they’re the same jeans, Pete? That must explain the knees missing from them. Have to say that the rest of the denim is holding up nicely!
DEANB:
Album pics. Not taken by me.I Caswell Atkinson.
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R.G.Hopson Bedford TM
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Richard Read ERF
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W.R.Hill & Sons Guy
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Silver Roadways Foden.
5
Dobson of Edinburgh Marathon.
4
J.G.Osborne Scammell Handyman.
3
David Munro Scania 111
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Allied Mills Seddon Atkinson 400.
1
Syms of Calne Volvo F10
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hi Dean great shot of Caswells Atki ,and Richard Reads ERFs outside the depot ,with May hill just visable ,im surprised our ROF did not notice that !! regards Keith
colinwallace1:
The red steel cab ERF belongs to Bob James from Rothley, Leicestershire.
Cheers Colin,never ceases to amaze me how drivers on here see a pic like that and know the owner,good stuff chaps !
JAKEY:
Great photos Dean and Paul , love the Rockwool/Brs Bridgend depot small Scania .
Me.Paul.101:
Here’s one of Atkinsons ‘Stainmore Duke’ northbound on the A40 at Monmouth 01.04.19…Great thread, interesting photo’s and info…
Cracking photo Paul,looks very smart and great to see proper company colours and not the dreaded plain white !
Punchy Dan:
Punchy Dan:
I think the N10 EAB114S possibly is the one my uncle bought 2nd hand ,it was new to a fuel firm from tenbury wells who didn’t keep it long before selling it to Holland’s cheese nr Nantwich who made it a sleeper cab ,my uncle was the 3rd owner ,Steve Poole a scrap merchant from stoke ran it after and then Aden Hare from fole ,it’s now in preservation.Edit ,Henry Edwards & Co from Tenbury Wells .
Cheers Dan.
kingswinford kit:
I Caswell Atkinson.Richard Read ERF
hi Dean great shot of Caswells Atki ,and Richard Reads ERFs outside the depot ,with May hill just visable ,im surprised our ROF did not notice that !! regards Keith
Yeah that a nice pic of the Atki. I think with regard to “ROF” its probably an age thing chap !!! 
I am surprised there was no comments from the Welsh boys regarding the yellow Volvo F10 of Meyer’s from Newport on page 332 as i am pretty sure we have not
had one of those on here before ■■?
I am not happy chaps it would appear that there have been some technical changes to the forum on the amount of data that can be downloaded. I have been struggling
for about 3 weeks to download articles etc. It appears that i have to re size pages to download them. 
So some pages will appear slightly smaller than others.
I would imagine that a few other people must have had the same problem and get the message below come up when trying to attach a page for posting.
If you have you need to go into edit and resize. Change it from 100 to 80 or 90 which then seems to allow it to attach ok for posting. Basically its a pain in the arse !
DEANB:
I am not happy chaps it would appear that there have been some technical changes to the forum on the amount of data that can be downloaded. I have been struggling
for about 3 weeks to download articles etc. It appears that i have to re size pages to download them.I would imagine that a few other people must have had the same problem and get the message below come up when trying to attach a page for posting.
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If you have you need to go into edit and resize. Change it from 100 to 80 or 90 which then seems to allow it to attach ok for posting. Basically its a pain in the arse !
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Hi Dean,
I have only had this problem once and that was a fair while ago, I just kept the number of pics down to 5 per post, other than that sorry I cannot be of further assistance!
Heres some more Volvo N10’s.
Heres a bit more about the Volvo N series.
Click on pages twice to read.
Article from 1976.
Tipper Road Test from 1976.
Album pics. Not taken by me.
Bassetss Atkinson.
Ryder Bedford TM.
J.Barrett ERF.
H.Parkin & Son Foden.
ICI Guy.
J & A Keith Roadtrain.
Heavy Transport Scammell Handyman.
BOC Seddon Atkinson 401.
ACT Scania 81.
John Raymond Volvo F10.
Bennett Volvo F88
Abbey Hill Fiat.
Esso Leyland. Think its a Bison ?
Redland Volvo F7
Greenwoods Foden.
Anyone recognise the DAF tipper ■■? Is that pic taken in Southampton by the railway station on the steep hill upto the traffic lights ■■
Tugmaster.
Anyone recognise the Volvo F7 ■■?
Cahalin Volvo F10. Seem to remember he was a owner driver.
George Jenkins DAF
Good morning Dean,
Yes, you are right, the Daf 2300 is heading up Marlands hill towards the Civic Centre Southampton.
Before the Civic Centre was built there was a very large lake there, called, you got it, Marlands lake.
Still enjoy your postings but not very active, great N10 stuff, thanks to you both. Harvey
English one: 