Past Present and in Between in Pictures (Part 1)

[valkyrie]

QUOTE: Spardo » Thu May 31, 2018 9:37 am Nice Atkis, I love that coachbuilt cab front design of the 2nd picture. I only remember Munros having those, they were yellow too I think. But it is a mark 1, so where is the radiator? Was it a foreunner of the behind the cab header of the Mk 2s?

Surely not, as, looking at the windscreen wipers it appears to be an earlier model.UNQUOTE.

TruckNetUK. Old Time Lorries. Past Present And In Between In Pictures. Page 506. VALKYRIE. Saturday,2nd June,2018.

VALKYRIE Replies:-

#Atkinson.

Atkinson Bodyline,Produced from 1963 - 1966. This cab was a modified Tin Front version of the Mk1 Cab,and was produced for operators who wanted more modern-looking Atkinson lorries.But,alas,most Atkinson operators preferred the optional and obviously more popular traditional exposed
aluminium radiator styling.So the Bodyline Cab was dropped…I remember seeing a few of these both in service and at historic vehicle rallies -
a few Atkinson Bodyline’s have been preserved
Atkinson Mk2 Cab…so on operator demand Atkinson clung to tradition and gave the Mk2 Cab an imitation traditional exposed aluminium radiator grille style

#Atkinson Bodyline T746X,Mk1 Bodyline-Cabbed,Gardner 6LX 150 Diesel Oil-Engined,24-Ton GTW,4x2 Tractive Unit-Artic Lorry,Chassis No.FC.9170,originally VRS 753,Aberdeen,1963,now FSV 959.New to Munro.Tom Shanks. TrucksPlanet.1#

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QUOTE:KevMac » Sat Jun 02, 2018 2:13 pm Brough Superior motorcycle photographs.UNQUOTE.

QUOTE: Lawrence Dunbar » Sat Jun 02, 2018 2:19 pm

Great photos Kev, This was made between April 1929 till Feb 1937, Regards Larry.UNQUOTE.

QUOTE:Spardo » Sat Jun 02, 2018 3:10 pm

The Brough Superior works was in Basford, Nottingham and was on a route I sometimes took home from work on my 250 Beezer. One day something went bang and I pushed it to their place. Don’t think they were still making motorbikes, this was in about 1960 or so. But they certainly knew all about them.

Anyway they sorted it out for me, no charge, and I was home in time for tea. UNQUOTE.

QUOTE:OilTreader » Sat Jun 02, 2018 3:27 pm

Cheers for the pics Kev , that’s a blast from the past, my dad in his younger days had an Indian motorbike and used to regale me with all the makes of the '20s and '30s, the Brough Superior being in his words the Rolls Royce of motorbikes including one with a reverse gear see here thevintagent.com/2017/07/26/roa … stin-four/
Brough also made motor cars.
Oily UNQUOTE.

QUOTE:Lawrence Dunbar » Sat Jun 02, 2018 3:30 pm
Hi, Oily great photo made in 1938 IIRC And very classy I would say for that era,Regards Larry.UNQUOTE.

VALKYRIE Replies:-

#Brough #Superior #The #Rolls-#Royce Of #Motorcycles

#Claud #Butler #The #Rolls-#Royce Of #Bicycles

Claud Butler The Rolls-Royce Of Bicycles - I own one of these a Claud Butler Regent 24-Speed Touring Bicycle ,but I’d love to own a Brough Superior

Bough Superior The Rolls-Royce Of Motorcycles
Brough Superior Motorcycles were expensive luxury and sports motorcycles,and produced the occasional Dream Machine models such as the Brough Superior Austin Four and the Golden Dream flat four shaft drive model,of which at least five were built - some say only two were made -
but careful research reveals that 5 were built
And,as OilTreader says and shows,Brough Superior made sports and luxurious high powered motorcars from 1935 to 1939,and employed American
built Hudson straight six and eight and Lincoln Zephyr V12 engines.

George Brough’s Brough Superior motorcycles were made from 1921 to 1940,thereafter the company became a general engineering concern,but was closed down in July 1981. Most Brough Superior motorcycles ware built in a factory at Haydn Road,but production was transferred to the bigger Brough Superior factory,which had been used as a machine factory,at Vernon Road in 1939.

So Spardo…you must have called in at the Vernon Road factory in Basford

NOTE:George’s father,William Edward Brough,produced the Brough marque of motorcycle from 1908 to 1926,the above Vernon Road factory was where these Brough’s were made. When George entered motorcycle production in his own right,he used his Brough family name,but added Superior
to differentiate between the already established Brough marque…and that’s how the great and attractive BROUGH SUPERIOR motorcycle
marque name came into being Soon another name-slogan would be rightly added to the Brough Superior marque: The Rolls-Royce Of Motorcycles

The Brough Superior motorcycle in KevMac’s photograph is the following Mk1 SV JAP model,produced from 1920-1924,135 were made and this
is one of five known to survive:-
#Brough #Superior Mk1 SV JAP,JAP KTC Sports 980 CC,Side Valve,V-Twin Cylinder,Motorcycle,built 1921,VN 3006,North Riding Yorkshire,1931.Brough Superior - The Rolls-Royce Of Motorcycles,Haydn Road,Basford,Nottingham.1#

Can’t you tell that I’m a bit of a Brough Superior Enthusiast ?

VALKYRIE

[lawrence_dunbar]

VALKYRIE:
QUOTE: Spardo » Thu May 31, 2018 9:37 am Nice Atkis, I love that coachbuilt cab front design of the 2nd picture. I only remember Munros having those, they were yellow too I think. But it is a mark 1, so where is the radiator? Was it a foreunner of the behind the cab header of the Mk 2s?

Surely not, as, looking at the windscreen wipers it appears to be an earlier model.UNQUOTE.

TruckNetUK. Old Time Lorries. Past Present And In Between In Pictures. Page 506. VALKYRIE. Saturday,2nd June,2018.

VALKYRIE Replies:-

#Atkinson.

Atkinson Bodyline,Produced from 1963 - 1966. This cab was a modified Tin Front version of the Mk1 Cab,and was produced for operators who wanted more modern-looking Atkinson lorries.But,alas,most Atkinson operators preferred the optional and obviously more popular traditional exposed
aluminium radiator styling.So the Bodyline Cab was dropped…I remember seeing a few of these both in service and at historic vehicle rallies -
a few Atkinson Bodyline’s have been preserved
Atkinson Mk2 Cab…so on operator demand Atkinson clung to tradition and gave the Mk2 Cab an imitation traditional exposed aluminium radiator grille style

#Atkinson Bodyline T746X,Mk1 Bodyline-Cabbed,Gardner 6LX 150 Diesel Oil-Engined,24-Ton GTW,4x2 Tractive Unit-Artic Lorry,Chassis No.FC.9170,originally VRS 753,Aberdeen,1963,now FSV 959.New to Munro.Tom Shanks. TrucksPlanet.1#
1

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QUOTE:KevMac » Sat Jun 02, 2018 2:13 pm Brough Superior motorcycle photographs.UNQUOTE.

QUOTE: Lawrence Dunbar » Sat Jun 02, 2018 2:19 pm

Great photos Kev, This was made between April 1929 till Feb 1937, Regards Larry.UNQUOTE.

QUOTE:Spardo » Sat Jun 02, 2018 3:10 pm

The Brough Superior works was in Basford, Nottingham and was on a route I sometimes took home from work on my 250 Beezer. One day something went bang and I pushed it to their place. Don’t think they were still making motorbikes, this was in about 1960 or so. But they certainly knew all about them.

Anyway they sorted it out for me, no charge, and I was home in time for tea. UNQUOTE.

QUOTE:OilTreader » Sat Jun 02, 2018 3:27 pm

Cheers for the pics Kev , that’s a blast from the past, my dad in his younger days had an Indian motorbike and used to regale me with all the makes of the '20s and '30s, the Brough Superior being in his words the Rolls Royce of motorbikes including one with a reverse gear see here thevintagent.com/2017/07/26/roa … stin-four/
Brough also made motor cars.
Oily UNQUOTE.

QUOTE:Lawrence Dunbar » Sat Jun 02, 2018 3:30 pm
Hi, Oily great photo made in 1938 IIRC And very classy I would say for that era,Regards Larry.UNQUOTE.

VALKYRIE Replies:-

#Brough #Superior #The #Rolls-#Royce Of #Motorcycles

#Claud #Butler #The #Rolls-#Royce Of #Bicycles

Claud Butler The Rolls-Royce Of Bicycles - I own one of these a Claud Butler Regent 24-Speed Touring Bicycle ,but I’d love to own a Brough Superior

Bough Superior The Rolls-Royce Of Motorcycles
Brough Superior Motorcycles were expensive luxury and sports motorcycles,and produced the occasional Dream Machine models such as the Brough Superior Austin Four and the Golden Dream flat four shaft drive model,of which at least five were built - some say only two were made -
but careful research reveals that 5 were built
And,as OilTreader says and shows,Brough Superior made sports and luxurious high powered motorcars from 1935 to 1939,and employed American
built Hudson straight six and eight and Lincoln Zephyr V12 engines.

George Brough’s Brough Superior motorcycles were made from 1921 to 1940,thereafter the company became a general engineering concern,but was closed down in July 1981. Most Brough Superior motorcycles ware built in a factory at Haydn Road,but production was transferred to the bigger Brough Superior factory,which had been used as a machine factory,at Vernon Road in 1939.

So Spardo…you must have called in at the Vernon Road factory in Basford

NOTE:George’s father,William Edward Brough,produced the Brough marque of motorcycle from 1908 to 1926,the above Vernon Road factory was where these Brough’s were made. When George entered motorcycle production in his own right,he used his Brough family name,but added Superior
to differentiate between the already established Brough marque…and that’s how the great and attractive BROUGH SUPERIOR motorcycle
marque name came into being Soon another name-slogan would be rightly added to the Brough Superior marque: The Rolls-Royce Of Motorcycles

The Brough Superior motorcycle in KevMac’s photograph is the following Mk1 SV JAP model,produced from 1920-1924,135 were made and this
is one of five known to survive:-
#Brough #Superior Mk1 SV JAP,JAP KTC Sports 980 CC,Side Valve,V-Twin Cylinder,Motorcycle,built 1921,VN 3006,North Riding Yorkshire,1931.Brough Superior - The Rolls-Royce Of Motorcycles,Haydn Road,Basford,Nottingham.1#
0

Can’t you tell that I’m a bit of a Brough Superior Enthusiast ?

VALKYRIE

Hi VALKYRIE,great photo of the old Atki, I drove a similar one in the early 60s, It had a steel cab which was a ratterly thing but with its 150 Gardner engine it never let me down, One never felt tired when driving it I may tell you But when I got into my bed I went out like a light : , Regards Larry.

[spardo]

Yes, thanks Valkyrie for all that interesting info re Atkis and Broughs. Indeed it was Vernon Rd although I seem to remember actually just off Vernon Rd. in a side street that immediately forked. Just had a nostalgic Google and I think it was Roderick Street. all gone now, new buildings. While I was there (Googling) I noticed that my old mate’s school, and nearly mine before Dad got me somewhere he thought was better , Henry Mellish Grammar, seems to have disappeared too. However Basford Registry office opposite seems to have survived. Got married twice there, it was affectionately, or otherwise, known as Basford Cathedral if you wanted to make the big day seem a bit more grand.

[chris_webb]

whisperingsmith:
> oiltreader:
> Thanks to Leyland600, 240 Gardner, kevmac47, Ray Smyth and Buzzer for the pics and the craic
>
> Lochinver last Thursday, two from Brittany waiting for boat to come in that night and two Peche(Lochinver based) waiting for a Saturday landing for Spain. The Brittany chap washing his wagon had excellent English, so a good natter with him telling me “we in Brittainy are Celts, the same as you Scots”
> Oily

AND the Breton guys are not just Celts but Britons too:

When the English ( who are not Britons but Anglo Saxon/German/ EE ) talk about putting the GREAT back into Britain they don’t know what they are saying:

Grande Bretagne (Great/Large Britain) was so named to differentiate from Bretagne (Brittany)

The Cornish & Bretons share the same language & our Welsh Cousins speak something very similar

‘Braman Gas An Sousen’ - just for fun

Not forgetting Manx Gaelic which is worse than Finnish to decipher.

[oiltreader]

Thanks to Leyland600 for the pics and the wee story also VALKYRIE for all that detail and the pics

FSV959 with a different ownership and another example.
Oily

[oiltreader]

Couple more, one for Gary, thanks to Dave Fawcett.
Oily

[gazsa401]

oiltreader:
Couple more, one for Gary, thanks to Dave Fawcett.
Oily

Thanks for the picture Oily of BTO 533K
BTO as she was affectionately known was the last Borderer to remain in the Stirlands fleet
She was retired in 1986 after 14 years service and Stirlands garage foreman Roy Johnson bought her and after a year restoration (which myself and many other Stirland mechanics helped out with) was brought back to her original Stirlands livery of Pillar box red and gold leaf sign writing
A ballast box was fitted but underneath she was still a tractor unit
Later she was sold on and reverted back to a unit i wish I had bought her but I didn’t have any storage facilities at the time
I’ve got a photo somewhere of her pulling a Hills of Cardiff flat trailer loaded with Heinz products and the trailer chassis had snapped just in front of the front axle causing major traffic problems in rush hour traffic on the A52 just passed the Dunkirk flyover near The QMC Hospital in Nottingham
I’ll try and dig it out and post it
Cheers Gary

[spardo]

gazsa401:

oiltreader:
Couple more, one for Gary, thanks to Dave Fawcett.
Oily

Thanks for the picture Oily of BTO 533K
BTO as she was affectionately known was the last Borderer to remain in the Stirlands fleet
She was retired in 1986 after 14 years service and Stirlands garage foreman Roy Johnson bought her and after a year restoration (which myself and many other Stirland mechanics helped out with) was brought back to her original Stirlands livery of Pillar box red and gold leaf sign writing
A ballast box was fitted but underneath she was still a tractor unit
Later she was sold on and reverted back to a unit i wish I had bought her but I didn’t have any storage facilities at the time
I’ve got a photo somewhere of her pulling a Hills of Cardiff flat trailer loaded with Heinz products and the trailer chassis had snapped just in front of the front axle causing major traffic problems in rush hour traffic on the A52 just passed the Dunkirk flyover near The QMC Hospital in Nottingham
I’ll try and dig it out and post it
Cheers Gary

I remember seeing that Gary, I was passing on the slip road to the island to turn left along University Boulevard, but I thought it was a Stirland’s motor, was it still in their colours?

Also has that flyover been modified/rebuilt? In my memory the rise from the road level was very abrupt, it appears to be a much gentler rise now, and I remember thinking that the abrupt change in the gradient put too much strain on the chassis.

[oiltreader]

Various, courtesy of eastleighbusman.
Oily

[gazsa401]

Spardo:

gazsa401:

oiltreader:
Couple more, one for Gary, thanks to Dave Fawcett.
Oily

Thanks for the picture Oily of BTO 533K
BTO as she was affectionately known was the last Borderer to remain in the Stirlands fleet
She was retired in 1986 after 14 years service and Stirlands garage foreman Roy Johnson bought her and after a year restoration (which myself and many other Stirland mechanics helped out with) was brought back to her original Stirlands livery of Pillar box red and gold leaf sign writing
A ballast box was fitted but underneath she was still a tractor unit
Later she was sold on and reverted back to a unit i wish I had bought her but I didn’t have any storage facilities at the time
I’ve got a photo somewhere of her pulling a Hills of Cardiff flat trailer loaded with Heinz products and the trailer chassis had snapped just in front of the front axle causing major traffic problems in rush hour traffic on the A52 just passed the Dunkirk flyover near The QMC Hospital in Nottingham
I’ll try and dig it out and post it
Cheers Gary

I remember seeing that Gary, I was passing on the slip road to the island to turn left along University Boulevard, but I thought it was a Stirland’s motor, was it still in their colours?

Also has that flyover been modified/rebuilt? In my memory the rise from the road level was very abrupt, it appears to be a much gentler rise now, and I remember thinking that the abrupt change in the gradient put too much strain on the chassis.

Hello Spardo it was a Stirlands Motor it had the later blue decals on the doors and front of the cab
At the time it was being driven by
Tony Rudkin a long serving Stirlands driver he did 44 years service
The flyover has been changed so you know longer have your stomach in your mouth when you go over it
Also a few hundred yards away is a new bridge for the Nottingham tram system
Hooleys Garage ( Ford Truck Dealers) have gone along with the houses that where there Maurice “Ginger” Hughes (another long serving Stirlands driver) lived in one of those houses opposite Nazareth House
Where Abbey Bridge Road and Lenton Lane meet has all gone to make way for the tram and finally the Red Cow pub has been demolished a old haunt and gathering place for a lot of Stirland drivers
Cheers Gary
My apologies Oily for going slightly off track on your fine thread [emoji1303]

[deanb]

Scania’s 142.

[buzzer]

A fleet picture and a pair from up your way Oily, cheers Buzzer

[leyland600]

Hi Oily, here are some dash cam images taken on the A9 while on my way up to Gills bay a couple of weeks ago.
Cheers, Leyland 600.

[leyland600]

More photos from my camera on northbound on the A9 at Berriedale.

[lespullan]

Leyland600:
Hi Oily, here are some dash cam images taken on the A9 while on my way up to Gills bay a couple of weeks ago.
Cheers, Leyland 600.

I see Harvey’s got another Scania, I bet the old one is tucked up in one of the sheds, wish I could remember the reg of it he had the old 82 for years, Les.

[leyland600]

Hi Les , I guess you are right, here it is in 2013.
Cheers, Leyland 600.

[lespullan]

Leyland600:
Hi Les , I guess you are right, here it is in 2013.
Cheers, Leyland 600.

That’s the one mate it served him well, thanks for the memory, Les.

[bewick]

Buzzer:
Few for today from North ‘o’ the border, Buzzer.

Now then wor Kev, if you have a “Butchers” at page 432 on this thread you will see a shot of a fine Atki MK1 with a RR engine. Cheers Dennis.

[spardo]

gazsa401:
Hello Spardo it was a Stirlands Motor it had the later blue decals on the doors and front of the cab
At the time it was being driven by
Tony Rudkin a long serving Stirlands driver he did 44 years service
The flyover has been changed so you know longer have your stomach in your mouth when you go over it
Also a few hundred yards away is a new bridge for the Nottingham tram system
Hooleys Garage ( Ford Truck Dealers) have gone along with the houses that where there Maurice “Ginger” Hughes (another long serving Stirlands driver) lived in one of those houses opposite Nazareth House
Where Abbey Bridge Road and Lenton Lane meet has all gone to make way for the tram and finally the Red Cow pub has been demolished a old haunt and gathering place for a lot of Stirland drivers
Cheers Gary
My apologies Oily for going slightly off track on your fine thread [emoji1303]

Thanks Gary, I thought my memory wasn’t playing tricks, but I don’t remember either of the drivers you mention. Perhaps because I was there for a year on Bristol night trunk and seldom saw anyone except my changeover man, and usually not him either. The only people I do remember, apart from my mate George Milner, are (?) Stanley and the manager, Colin (?)

'Bout sums my life up now, alll those question marks.

[oiltreader]

"My apologies Oily for going slightly off track on your fine thread " no worries Gary all Grist to the Mill and welcome.
Oily