Past Present and in Between in Pictures (Part 1)

robert1952 · 21 March 2016 16:04

Froggy55:
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Just picked this picture on my favourite French Forum.
photosdecamions.com/t592-scammell#452417
Any idea of its year of make and engine?
Thanks.

'75 or '76, Rolls Royce 305 with 15-speed Fuller if I remember correctly. Robert

buzzer · 21 March 2016 16:29

ROF did a little dig and here are the results. Carpenters started in the 20’s here are a few shots very tidy without being too over the top.

servo88 · 21 March 2016 16:52

sammyopisite · 21 March 2016 17:02

robert1952:

Froggy55:
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Just picked this picture on my favourite French Forum.
photosdecamions.com/t592-scammell#452417
Any idea of its year of make and engine?
Thanks.

'75 or '76, Rolls Royce 305 with 15-speed Fuller if I remember correctly. Robert

Robert, the engine may be a Detroit V8 290 bhp with it being a P reg as I think the RR 305 was a little later

cheers Johnnie

oiltreader · 21 March 2016 18:00

sammyopisite:

robert1952:

Froggy55:
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Just picked this picture on my favourite French Forum.
photosdecamions.com/t592-scammell#452417
Any idea of its year of make and engine?
Thanks.

'75 or '76, Rolls Royce 305 with 15-speed Fuller if I remember correctly. Robert

Robert, the engine may be a Detroit V8 290 bhp with it being a P reg as I think the RR 305 was a little later

cheers Johnnie

Hi Robert and Johnnie fully explained here in excerpt from Wikimedia

Scammell launched the three-axle 6x4 Crusader at London’s 1968 Earls Court Commercial Vehicle Show. The truck was designed for high-speed long distance transport, typically to cover 250,000 miles a year. The truck included a ‘repair by replacement’ philosophy to cut downtime and the consequences of unscheduled maintenance. The drive line included a 9.3-litre GM Detroit Diesel 8V71N two-stroke diesel engine, rated at 273 bhp. This drove through a Fuller RoadRanger 16-speed constant-mesh gear box, to an Albion double-drive and two-spring bogie, using double reduction and cross lockable drive axles. The final reduction took place in the hubs to give better ground clearance under the differential housings. Scammell used the same rear bogie on its highly successful 24-ton Double Drive Routeman 8x4 tipper chassis, launched at the same exhibition. As most contemporary 32-ton and maximum capacity trucks in the UK had engine power ratings of between 150 and 220 bhp, the Crusader’s 273 bhp attracted immediate attention, much of it unfavourable from deeply conservative operators.
With active encouragement from Walter Batstone, then transport engineering boss at British Road Services, Scammell quickly developed a two-axle model, powered initially by a Rolls-Royce Eagle six-cylinder diesel engine, rated at 220 or 280 bhp, depending on customers’ preferences. This new model appeared at the November 1969 Scottish Motor Show in Glasgow’s Kelvin Hall.
Scammell went on to develop a heavy haulage model, the Samson, basically a four axle 8x4 Crusader. It sold in limited numbers in a specialised market sector.[4]

Cheers
Oily
Doing a bit more digging and find the wagon belongs to Terry Ainger, 1976 reg and reading through this blog it has RR power
hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.ph … lery/page6
I give up
Oily

oiltreader · 21 March 2016 18:31

Thanks to Froggy55, Buzzer and servo88 for the pics

Decent size tipper, Freightliner Argosy outfit in New Zealand.
Oily

froggy55 · 22 March 2016 08:30

Thanks to all contributors for the information concerning the Crusader! I suspected it was RR powered, but never thought GM 2-strokers had been fitted on other British trucks than the Bedford TMs.

robert1952 · 22 March 2016 11:00

Froggy55:
Thanks to all contributors for the information concerning the Crusader! I suspected it was RR powered, but never thought GM 2-strokers had been fitted on other British trucks than the Bedford TMs.

I asked the owner about it at Gaydon last year and I’m pretty sure he said RR305. Robert

froggy55 · 22 March 2016 12:58

oiltreader:
Thanks to Froggy55, Buzzer and servo88 for the pics

Decent size tipper, Freightliner Argosy outfit in New Zealand.
Oily

What would be the gross weight of such an outfit? 22 + 22 tonnes?

oiltreader · 22 March 2016 15:39

robert1952:

Froggy55:
Thanks to all contributors for the information concerning the Crusader! I suspected it was RR powered, but never thought GM 2-strokers had been fitted on other British trucks than the Bedford TMs.

I asked the owner about it at Gaydon last year and I’m pretty sure he said RR305. Robert

Hi Robert, The man and the motor youtube.com/watch?v=FIdyTuY87qU
Oily

oiltreader · 22 March 2016 15:49

Froggy55:

oiltreader:
Thanks to Froggy55, Buzzer and servo88 for the pics

Decent size tipper, Freightliner Argosy outfit in New Zealand.
Oily

What would be the gross weight of such an outfit? 22 + 22 tonnes?

Hi Froggy55, that got me digging and the gross train weight in New Zealand and as far as I can make out was upped from 44t to 53t a year or two ago, tho’ the maker of that 5 axle trailer grosses it at 32000kg roughly 31½ imperial tons, tried to get my head round the NZ regs, very complicated, with permits(costing) applying to certain axle configurations.
Oily

pete_smith · 22 March 2016 16:42

Couple of Albions

froggy55 · 22 March 2016 17:34

Thanks, Oily, for the information!

Were Herdman’s flour bags waterproof?

buzzer · 22 March 2016 20:26

Froggy55:
Thanks, Oily, for the information!

Were Herdman’s flour bags waterproof?

Neat bit of stacking with those flour bags, Buzzer.

pete_smith · 23 March 2016 06:03

Hi Buzzer,
Here is one from your neck of the woods,I bet she struggled with that trailer on!,one of my first jobs after passing my heavy goods was taking cut maize to Dukes in hundredweight hessian sacks,I’m sure they had two mills, photo is one of Ainacs off Soton thread.