Oily
There was a cattle dealer came into the old Derby Cattle Market and they brought two in with drags.They were painted grey.I think the company was Demulder but I don’t know if it was the same Demulder round the Nuneaton area as I think they had red motors.
But it was nearly 60yrs ago.
Tony
Tony I am sure the DeMulders at Nuneaton were the firm who had a place at Doncaster ( animal by products ) and they were a maroon colour they sold the wagons to the drivers who then worked as O/D s for them as I knew one of the Doncaster lads quite well
cheers Johnnie
P S they ran a mix of British wagons then went onto Volvo,s mid 70s thats when they sold wagons mid to late 70s
Gardner 120:
Cycling along in Attleborough in the summer of 1979 (on my paper round) a Demulder wagon went past me and the stench nearly knocked me off!
They were maroon as I recall and dealt in offal / dead animals
In those days, they had a bent, buckled and rickety piece of sheet steel over the top of their lorries - I looked into one once, it was like The Godfather i.e. a horse’s head …
I think the trailers are airtight these days; they need to be
Thanks for stimulating the memory
Would I be correct in saying that this Co.was called Prosper Demulder, IIRC They had a depot at North Feribey nr Hull, Regards Larry.
There was a cattle dealer came into the old Derby Cattle Market and they brought two in with drags.They were painted grey.I think the company was Demulder but I don’t know if it was the same Demulder round the Nuneaton area as I think they had red motors.
But it was nearly 60yrs ago.
Tony
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I think that the lorries you are referring to, were owned by the Frans Buitelaar Group, and run by the Irish Cattle Transporters, a joint company between Buitelaar, and Geoff Parry`s, MJ Parry and Sons from Bayston Hill Shrewsbury. Buitelaars were based in Boston Lincs, and the Moguls were nearly always with a drag behind.
Geoff, and Alma Parry were really super people, and Geoff designed and built some remarkable drop frame double deck cattle trailers for the Irish traffic, that would easily handle two decks of beasts, within the loading gauge.Their fleet of Mk 5 AECs was well known in the Midlands and beyond!
MJ Parry was a superb operation, and if Geoffs son David is looking in, he could tell us far more
Hi Gardner 120 The red opentopper looks very much like an ex London Transport DMS type, ie a Daimler Fleetline with Gardner 150 or 180, and the Bristol VRT probably has a Gardner 150 or 180 in it, however I don’t know who the British operator was.
Cheers Leyland 600
Leyland600:
Hi Gardner 120 The red opentopper looks very much like an ex London Transport DMS type, ie a Daimler Fleetline with Gardner 150 or 180, and the Bristol VRT probably has a Gardner 150 or 180 in it, however I don’t know who the British operator was.
Cheers Leyland 600
Thanks for the info mate, much appreciated
Here are two more which I took in Philly in 2010 - The white bus is a Bristol and the maroon one a Daimler - there is still a UK plate on one (1969/70)
Gardner 120:
Cycling along in Attleborough in the summer of 1979 (on my paper round) a Demulder wagon went past me and the stench nearly knocked me off!
They were maroon as I recall and dealt in offal / dead animals
In those days, they had a bent, buckled and rickety piece of sheet steel over the top of their lorries - I looked into one once, it was like The Godfather i.e. a horse’s head …
I think the trailers are airtight these days; they need to be
Thanks for stimulating the memory
Would I be correct in saying that this Co.was called Prosper Demulder, IIRC They had a depot at North Feribey nr Hull, Regards Larry.
I couldn’t confirm or deny that Lawrence; the firm in Nuneaton were up Mancetter Rd, top of Tuttle Hill by Judkins’s mountain as far as I recall. I spoke to a lad who worked there once - he said the “stuff” they carried would eventually rot away the steel wagons
They were indeed both owned by Prosper de Mulder I used to load meat & bone meal from both. The Doncaster depot was in Ings Road and to get there you had two railway crossings and when you arrived at the first you rang a bell on a post and the old boy would come on his bike, let you through then follow him to the next and repeat the operation. Obviously the same in reverse order after loading. they took in abbatoir offal.dead animals including zoo animals ,cooked it all up ground it down for fertilizer or animal feed - no wonder we had the likes of BSE. I also knew a chap who became an O/D there Horace ■■ Scammel Highwayman to Scania 111 must have thought he’d died and gone to heaven!
Pics of the Frans Buitelaar operation area taken 2006 and this a few lines from Chris the phototaker.
Oily
Former cattle pens near Horncastle
Near Salmonby, in an area of Outstanding Natural Beauty in the Lincolnshire Wolds, Frans Buitelaar constructed, in the 1980’s, the cattle pens seen as earthworks just above the free range pig field. Each earth-banked outdoor “pen” contained about 100 cull cattle, which were fattened up and sent to the owner’s slaughterhouse. It was a new concept in cattle-keeping. In about 1988 Anglian Water Authority were successful in a case against Frans Buitelaar Farms Ltd, who were fined £1,000 with £700 costs for allowing effluent 15 times the strength of raw domestic sewage to run into tributaries of the Salmonby Beck The project was abandoned soon after, but the pens remain.
Oily
There was a cattle dealer came into the old Derby Cattle Market and they brought two in with drags.They were painted grey.I think the company was Demulder but I don’t know if it was the same Demulder round the Nuneaton area as I think they had red motors.
But it was nearly 60yrs ago.
Tony
Tony I am sure the DeMulders at Nuneaton were the firm who had a place at Doncaster ( animal by products ) and they were a maroon colour they sold the wagons to the drivers who then worked as O/D s for them as I knew one of the Doncaster lads quite well
cheers Johnnie
P S they ran a mix of British wagons then went onto Volvo,s mid 70s thats when they sold wagons mid to late 70s
I used to run fuel oil into de Mulders at Doncaster. A hell hole of a place. I once asked a driver how they coped with it…“oh, you get used to it, you don’t notice it”.
Prosper de Mulder was a Dutchman.
Oily
There was a cattle dealer came into the old Derby Cattle Market and they brought two in with drags.They were painted grey.I think the company was Demulder but I don’t know if it was the same Demulder round the Nuneaton area as I think they had red motors.
But it was nearly 60yrs ago.
Tony
Tony I am sure the DeMulders at Nuneaton were the firm who had a place at Doncaster ( animal by products ) and they were a maroon colour they sold the wagons to the drivers who then worked as O/D s for them as I knew one of the Doncaster lads quite well
cheers Johnnie
P S they ran a mix of British wagons then went onto Volvo,s mid 70s thats when they sold wagons mid to late 70s
I used to run fuel oil into de Mulders at Doncaster. A hell hole of a place. I once asked a driver how they coped with it…“oh, you get used to it, you don’t notice it”.
Prosper de Mulder was a Dutchman.
Hi GOM and Laurie Dryver, does this bring it back .
Oily
oiltreader:
Thanks to rastone and Gardner 120 for the pics
Pics of the Frans Buitelaar operation area taken 2006 and this a few lines from Chris the phototaker.
Oily
Former cattle pens near Horncastle
Near Salmonby, in an area of Outstanding Natural Beauty in the Lincolnshire Wolds, Frans Buitelaar constructed, in the 1980’s, the cattle pens seen as earthworks just above the free range pig field. Each earth-banked outdoor “pen” contained about 100 cull cattle, which were fattened up and sent to the owner’s slaughterhouse. It was a new concept in cattle-keeping. In about 1988 Anglian Water Authority were successful in a case against Frans Buitelaar Farms Ltd, who were fined £1,000 with £700 costs for allowing effluent 15 times the strength of raw domestic sewage to run into tributaries of the Salmonby Beck The project was abandoned soon after, but the pens remain.
Oily and folks.Yes that’s right about the Buitelaar co it’s all coming back to me.There is a company at Cheddleton near Leek who deal in offal and they had a loaded motor that fell over on the A50 near to Doveridge. Very newsworthy for our local paper,we didn’t even look in the Deaths page that week.
Tony
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Tony I am sure the DeMulders at Nuneaton were the firm who had a place at Doncaster ( animal by products ) and they were a maroon colour they sold the wagons to the drivers who then worked as O/D s for them as I knew one of the Doncaster lads quite well
cheers Johnnie
P S they ran a mix of British wagons then went onto Volvo,s mid 70s thats when they sold wagons mid to late 70s
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I used to run fuel oil into de Mulders at Doncaster. A hell hole of a place. I once asked a driver how they coped with it…“oh, you get used to it, you don’t notice it”.
Prosper de Mulder was a Dutchman.
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Hi GOM and Laurie Dryver, does this bring it back .
Oily
[/quote] Thank you sir, I’ve enough memories of PDM’s Doncaster. I had an industrial injury there in early 70’s. I was delivering a load of gas oil to various storage tanks around the site, one tank the only access was a manhole on top, steel ladder welded to the side of the tank. 2" hose over my shoulder, up I goes, just about at the top, the welding failed and the ladder parted company with the tank, I stuck hold of the ladder all the way down, landed on my back in a big heap and had 2 days in Doncaster Royal Infirmary. I got an insurance payout of £500 and 2 weeks at the union home in Ely.
What I only found out many years later (nobody told me at the time) I’d fractured 3 vertebrae in my spine. Now arthritis has set in and there’s much pain.
No, I don’t need memories of Prospers. Bloody hell hole that it is. It’s still a very busy site.
Back in the 60’s/70’s there was a firm in Reading near the cattle market called Harrison and Lucas and they dealt in that sort of thing besides hide and skins. They had several BMC FFK and FGK dropside lorries and I remember one having the clutch go while (over) loaded and having to change it with blood constantly dripping down through the floorboards. Another one blew an engine so we towed it in and they sent another vehicle and driver to tranship the load of skins, it was a baking hot day and one of the driver’s stood up from handling the stuff and wiped his (ungloved of course) hand across his lips. Apparently the salt gave him energy? There was one truck that actually had lumps of meat on the dashboard, it made me feel sick whenever we serviced it. The salt soon rotted the cabs away though, about three years was the lifespan of them. The chassis and propshafts etc were always caked in dried blood, they were not pleasent vehicles to have in a workshop overnight!
Thanks to servo88, rastone and Dirty Dan for the pics , the ■■■■■■, I had one new in ‘71, crewbus, longtitude wood slatted seats, V4, the distributor driven oil pump shaft let me down, the hex rounded with wear, giving intermittent oil light warnings, had it fixed and sold it. When I bought the Transit off Hartford Motors, Oxford I traded in a Hillman Hunter estate , which was not in the best of nick according to the salesman, brought home when I gave him the keys and he said " leave them in the car, with a bit o’ luck somebody might steal it"
Back to wagons and Fiats all RHD, first one in France, rest in Italy.
Oily
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Thank you sir, I’ve enough memories of PDM’s Doncaster. I had an industrial injury there in early 70’s. I was delivering a load of gas oil to various storage tanks around the site, one tank the only access was a manhole on top, steel ladder welded to the side of the tank. 2" hose over my shoulder, up I goes, just about at the top, the welding failed and the ladder parted company with the tank, I stuck hold of the ladder all the way down, landed on my back in a big heap and had 2 days in Doncaster Royal Infirmary. I got an insurance payout of £500 and 2 weeks at the union home in Ely.
