Parking with ADR LOADED ROADTANKERS-CONTAINERS IN :MSA;

UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUMS THE UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUM (INTERACTIVE)
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I have all ready posted my thoughts else where on this subject,but i wish to
see what the reaction is from persons who post here,
When i am loaded with a ADR load for delivery to a customer in GB, they rules are from my firm to all ways use a safe parking area, and no
they do not part with a parking fee, unless the said parking area can give the adequate cover, for the fee that they charge, this means a
secure and accident free zone,with the insurance cover to reimburse any
monertary claims that might arise from a chemical incident , and no i
do not pay fees on MSA,s in GB unless it is a secure park with 24/7
security and cctv and if they clamp me i will just ring the POLICE
and inform the that i have a time and temp sentisive load which if it reacts will becauseing achemical incident and then i just wait and enjoy
the situation.
IF they wish to make money then they must also be prepared to invest
money, and ensure certain standards in security are meet and also
that the said parking area is of a adequate standard and not a place
where you must take extra care that you do not break a leg due to the
bad surfaceing,

I WILL PAY FOR secure parking as i do use it abroad throughout EU
but when some one wants money and then refuses to except the
responsibilities that come with it no way, it is not correct,

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sorry pete im abit confused :blush: :blush: :blush: you want secure parking but the only place you will get it is at the msa… now i know and you know thats its not secure BUT if there is any incident the first thing the insurance will say is why didnt you park on the services.
with chemicals you cant park on ind estates cos they might be near house and you cant park i think its 200 yards from houses and also if you park on an ind estate and someone gets in your trailer and comes into contact with some chemicals and their hand falls off ( a bit extreme ) imagine the the trouble you would be in.now if you were on the msa and someone was on the trailer and their hand fell off ( good i personally would cut their hands off in elland rd on a sunday afternoon or sat during half time ) your excuse would be …i have parked here for secure safe location.

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The MSA’s, or to be precise Strensham Southbound MSA, do not want people going onto/staying on their site if they suspect you have a potentially hazardous leakage. A couple of weeks ago one of the agency drivers working for my company was turfed off of Strensham because the brain dead numpty of a parking attendant thought that the unit had a leak from the fuel tank. Quite apart from the total lack of concern for any other road user he was scared stiff about the cost of containment and clean up on his site. :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :imp:

The really ironic part was that the “leakage” was water discharging from the Trailer fridge unit onto the fuel tank. :unamused: :laughing: :laughing:

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and the driver left the services he should have told the guy go call the police tuff if he was out of hours a parking attend has no authority to move a driver who is out if hours only police or vosa have that power

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Wiretwister:
The MSA’s, or to be precise Strensham Southbound MSA, do not want people going onto/staying on their site if they suspect you have a potentially hazardous leakage. A couple of weeks ago one of the agency drivers working for my company was turfed off of Strensham because the brain dead numpty of a parking attendant thought that the unit had a leak from the fuel tank. Quite apart from the total lack of concern for any other road user he was scared stiff about the cost of containment and clean up on his site. :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :imp:

The really ironic part was that the “leakage” was water discharging from the Trailer fridge unit onto the fuel tank. :unamused: :laughing: :laughing:

i wouldnt have moved you can tell the differance between diesal and water and i would have told him to call the police and put my feet up with the telly on.

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alix776:
and the driver left the services he should have told the guy go call the police tuff if he was out of hours a parking attend has no authority to move a driver who is out if hours only police or vosa have that power

No he wasn’t out of hours. I need to add a bit more here for background information. There was a fault found later on the fuel gauge sender unit and the driver pulled in because the gauge dropped very quickly he, the driver, also thought there was a problem with a fuel leak.

jessicas dad:
i wouldnt have moved you can tell the differance between diesal and water and i would have told him to call the police and put my feet up with the telly on.

With hindsight yes but the numpty of a parking man ranting, raving, threatening [zb] and refusing to get a more senior manager to come and investigate I reckon the driver was trying to do the right thing under pressure. The driver is relatively new to this job so he has had to treat this a learning exercise. A mistake made? Perhaps but hasn’t every one made an error of judgement at some point in thier time? OK it could have been much more serious and I don’t think he’ll be doing that again.

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ok fair enough looking at it that way with him being new to the job and not wanting to upset anyone he moved… but give him a while with these jumped up security guards and parking attendents and traffic wardens and whoever else ive forgotten :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: he will soon learn the two fingers attitude. like most drivers he will soon say to these jumped up ■■■■■ trying to make your job harder …" ■■■■ off your spoiling coronation street ". and take no notice.

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What i was trying to put over is that yes i will pay for parking,BUT, they who
wish to be payed for this have to also conform and ensure that the parking is secure and that there insureance for thisparking area covers them for any costs that may be occured when a incident happens to my vehicle and its load,whilist in there payed parking area-

THIS is the normal contract when i park in secure areas and have payed
in europe,

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i think the rules regarding the overnight parking of haz goods dictates that the vehicle is parked a certain distance from a public right of way (public highway, footpath, etc).
i have often questioned if a msa would actually be considered to be entirely made up of a public right of way, there are no restricted areas to prevent a member of the public from accessing any area designated by any person as a haz parking area.
as to your comments pete, i feel that the clamping company (which are in no way related to the msa but are contractors) would release the clamp no matter what the old bill said, there have been occassions where clampers have clamped police cars and refused to release without payment.

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brit pete:
What i was trying to put over is that yes i will pay for parking,BUT, they who
wish to be payed for this have to also conform and ensure that the parking is secure and that there insureance for thisparking area covers them for any costs that may be occured when a incident happens to my vehicle and its load,whilist in there payed parking area-

THIS is the normal contract when i park in secure areas and have payed
in europe,

i agree with what you are saying pete and i know as well as you that the manager of an msa would pass the buck as much as he could and blame everyone else apart from himself but if someone was in your trailer and got hurt its not your fault and have no claim on you cos you have paid for secure parking. it dosent matter how many disclaimers they put up they could stick one under your wiper but at the end of the day you have paid for secure parking in the eyes of the law you have done everything in your power to ensure your vehicle is parked in a safe secure manner and you have also paid for this prilivdge.

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johnny:
there have been occassions where clampers have clamped police cars and refused to release without payment.

:laughing: Really?
:laughing: Tragic
:laughing: Very, very

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Pete, the regs state that you should park away from buildings, and where the public have no access, but they also say that you should park within view of the driver or an able attendant. Most tank washes have a facility for parking,

Certainly if some power struck wheel clamper was over zealous, I am sure a call to the fire brigade would soon have them coming with some clamp removal equipment :stuck_out_tongue: