C10HOO:
Just a question about digi downloading and keeping records for one man bands, I’ve a friend who owns his own unit & trailer and runs a digital tachometer, for the past year or so he has just done a print out at the end of the day and keeping those. Whereas I am under the impression he needs either his own card download facilities or access to someone else’s. Also he thinks owner drivers are exempt from the DCPC. Could anyone clarify either of these ( maybe a credible source to print out like DSA/VOSA etc ) as he’s a stubborn sod and doesn’t believe me. Ta
Before your mate gets back in his lorry, he needs to get a grasp of the fundamentals of road transport law.
As it stands, he could get his truck and trailer confiscated for starters.
That’s just for his unlicenced operation…god knows what else they could do him for.
I’d suggest that he gives up and does something completely different, but failing that he should do both his CPC and DCPC: he might then have some grasp of his obligations.
limeyphil:
why?
he might be a very safe driver, he may well spend his money keeping his truck in tip top condition.
just because he dosn’t know all the rules, and regs, and dosn’t spend his money on stealth taxes, dosn’t make him a menace to other road users, and the haulage industry. it just makes him human.
He might be the best driver in the world with the best maintained truck in the world but even if that is the case (which I very much doubt) he should still be taken off the road as in the world of haulage you simply can’t pick which rules you stick to and which you don’t. By not bothering with the CPC or having his own O-Licence or parking in the right place he is gaining commercial advantage over those of us who run straight and potentially allowing him to undercut us whilst maintaining the same level of profit.
Paul
am i missing something?
where does it say that the bloke dosn’t have his own o’licence?
OVLOV JAY:
Having no idea about rules and regs is one thing. Using someone else’s o licence is a different ball game. He’s probably not paying his vat or corporation tax either. He needs taking off the road as he’s running at an advantage over compliant operators. I reckon he won’t be getting inspections done either. I don’t really want a [zb] like that sharing a motorway with my wife and kids. You can be the safest driver in the world, but if a wheels gonna fall off you ain’t gonna stop it
A lot of assumptions being made there 
Don’t let facts get in the way of a good story
Personally I think the bit to consider is, If he doesn’t have the correct licences etc surely the insurance would be viod in the event of an accident when the insurance company do there investigations■■? basicaaly this means that should he by chance have an accident with me and I should get seriously injured or heaven forbid crippled I would have no insurance company to claim from to help with cost etc in the future !!!
Surley this is something that should concern all of us especially considering the amount of high profile HGV accidents published lately??
Madguy 
madguy:
Personally I think the bit to consider is, If he doesn’t have the correct licences etc surely the insurance would be viod in the event of an accident when the insurance company do there investigations■■? basicaaly this means that should he by chance have an accident with me and I should get seriously injured or heaven forbid crippled I would have no insurance company to claim from to help with cost etc in the future !!!
Surley this is something that should concern all of us especially considering the amount of high profile HGV accidents published lately??
Madguy
it won’t make any difference to a claim. o’licences and insurance are completely sepperate unlike MOTs and insurance.
limeyphil:
madguy:
Personally I think the bit to consider is, If he doesn’t have the correct licences etc surely the insurance would be viod in the event of an accident when the insurance company do there investigations■■? basicaaly this means that should he by chance have an accident with me and I should get seriously injured or heaven forbid crippled I would have no insurance company to claim from to help with cost etc in the future !!!
Surley this is something that should concern all of us especially considering the amount of high profile HGV accidents published lately??
Madguy
it won’t make any difference to a claim. o’licences and insurance are completely sepperate unlike MOTs and insurance.
But surely that would be an excuse for the insurance company not paying out, if they can get out of something they will and if someone is driving illegally ( no opporators licence) then wouldnt there insurance company say it was viod?
Madguy
Pretty sure my insurance does say something about the correct operating licence.
So I suspect if, like me, you’re on orange disc restricted and are found to be doing hire and reward in the event of an accident the insurers might take it as an opportunity not to pay out.
repton:
limeyphil:
why?
he might be a very safe driver, he may well spend his money keeping his truck in tip top condition.
just because he dosn’t know all the rules, and regs, and dosn’t spend his money on stealth taxes, dosn’t make him a menace to other road users, and the haulage industry. it just makes him human.
He might be the best driver in the world with the best maintained truck in the world but even if that is the case (which I very much doubt) he should still be taken off the road as in the world of haulage you simply can’t pick which rules you stick to and which you don’t. By not bothering with the CPC or having his own O-Licence or parking in the right place he is gaining commercial advantage over those of us who run straight and potentially allowing him to undercut us whilst maintaining the same level of profit.
Paul
Parking in the right place is mainly down to not annoying neighbours or causing a safety issue in an area unsuitable for HGVs. An awful lot of trucks aren’t going to be parked at the address on the o-licence a lot of the time.
The cowboys might take work but very few large legit companies are going to want someone to do cash-in-hand work or associate themselves with dodgy operators and if they’re operators themselves it could leave their own repute at risk.