i loads up, then onto the weighbridge, 44,300 - bugger. without me sat in it and needing around 200kg of juice, so going to be around 44,600.
after being thought of as - a bit odd, by some other drivers on my way to spend 15 / 20 mins to tip off around 3 quarters of a ton. then them telling me “its ok you’re allowed 10% so you’re ok at 44,400” i then pointed out that that’s 1% not 10% !!
i’ve previously had a verbal warning for overloading the steer axle in a part loaded 6 wheeler, i was told as you’re under 5% over it’ll be a warning, can’t remember what the weight was.
so at what weight over have you had a warning, what weight over have you been done and what was the fine?
i’m by no means squeaky clean, but i had plenty of time so for me it was a no brainer.
A tip I picked up a few years ago is to try a second weigh particularly if the authorities are check weighing you but it can be a good idea if your first weigh is a bit over. The second weigh will inevitably be different which if push comes to shove gives you some leeway for arguing if it goes to court.
Dunno but my best / worst overloads were 37500kg on a double skip 8 wheeler with 2 12yd bins with some (not loads) railway line in. I’d dragged it from Earls Court to Chelmsford and was horrified at the weight on the bridge, oddly enough the old 310 engine didn’t seem to struggle any more that it did when it went out that morning at 32t (accurately weighed) loaded with lead.
And I got caught out with a 35t crusher once on our non STGO trailer, it took me a while to twig I’d been done and only found out the true weight after phoning the manufacturer to get a weight for it.
Let’s just say I don’t thinking warnings would have been issued. All part of the learning curve I suppose, just glad I never got pulled.
Ive heard about the your allowed the 10% over that would make 48400kgs i cant see you getting away with that,you would be over on an axle somewhere i would have thought.
cons77:
Ive heard about the your allowed the 10% over that would make 48400kgs i cant see you getting away with that,you would be over on an axle somewhere i would have thought.
cons77:
Ive heard about the your allowed the 10% over that would make 48400kgs i cant see you getting away with that,you would be over on an axle somewhere i would have thought.
I wonder if the 10% rule is for gross and Axle?
i don’t think there’s a 10% rule!!
Agreed but it’s one of those you always here innit your allowed 10%
Coffeeholic:
From the VOSA Guide to Fixed Penalties.
So a something plated at 44 wouldn’t have 5% leeway coz that would be more than 1 tone over? So on a 44 tonner it looks like there is only 2.72% (and a bit) leeway. Unless I’m working it out wrong, it seems it’s only wagons plated at less than 20 ton that the 5% rule really applies.
Coffeeholic:
From the VOSA Guide to Fixed Penalties.
So a something plated at 44 wouldn’t have 5% leeway coz that would be more than 1 tone over? So on a 44 tonner it looks like there is only 2.72% (and a bit) leeway. Unless I’m working it out wrong, it seems it’s only wagons plated at less than 20 ton that the 5% rule really applies.
Coffeeholic:
From the VOSA Guide to Fixed Penalties.
So a something plated at 44 wouldn’t have 5% leeway coz that would be more than 1 tone over? So on a 44 tonner it looks like there is only 2.72% (and a bit) leeway. Unless I’m working it out wrong, it seems it’s only wagons plated at less than 20 ton that the 5% rule really applies.
Don’t just think gross weight, include axles as well, you could also be over by these margins on the max permitted weight for an axle.
Coffeeholic:
From the VOSA Guide to Fixed Penalties.
So a something plated at 44 wouldn’t have 5% leeway coz that would be more than 1 tone over? So on a 44 tonner it looks like there is only 2.72% (and a bit) leeway. Unless I’m working it out wrong, it seems it’s only wagons plated at less than 20 ton that the 5% rule really applies.
You’re not reading it correctly mate
I could well be, but I’m not sure what I’m missing. I’m assuming that ‘relevant weight’ is talking about whatever weight has been exceeded, be it GVW, GTW or axle weight. If it’s an overweight artic plated at 44 ton GTW then 44 ton is the ‘relevant weight’ surely? 5% of 44 = 2.2 tons, so more than 1 ton over the ‘relevant weight’. Like I say, I’m happy to believe that I read it wrong, but in this case could someone point out how?
Biscuits:
So a something plated at 44 wouldn’t have 5% leeway coz that would be more than 1 tone over? So on a 44 tonner it looks like there is only 2.72% (and a bit) leeway. Unless I’m working it out wrong, it seems it’s only wagons plated at less than 20 ton that the 5% rule really applies.
You’re not reading it correctly mate
Yes he is. On a 44 tonne artic, anything above 2.72% is more than a tonne overweight and therefore gets a FPN. Its 5% OR 1 tonne, not 5% AND 1 tonne.
oooooops! two years ago drove a 7.5 ton skip wagon from buxton to newcastle under lyme went on weighbridge 9.8 tons i thought the brakes were crap! that would’ve cost me a bit.
Our weighbridges allow the following tolerances to our trucks and anyone hauling for us. Ex-pits it’s upto them if they take it overweight;
44ton 44400
32 32300
26 26260
18 18200
I know it’s not proportional but on a tipper 200kgs of muck isn’t even a quarter of a front bucketfull on a JCB digger. Some pits have “weight capture” technology where the WB Op tares you in and to register must input your MGW. You load and if it’s over it won’t print ticket and Op can’t doctor it…
as im a logger with my own scales and crane i always run
around the 44200/44500, been pulled no end of times
and have never had a problem (so far)
the boss has informed me that im allowed 1% per axel as its classed as a live load
alun:
as im a logger with my own scales and crane i always run
around the 44200/44500, been pulled no end of times
and have never had a problem (so far)
the boss has informed me that im allowed 1% per axel as its classed as a live load
On-Board scales are a license-saver. They also come in handy when I’m delivering to a customer whos neighbour’s paying half or whatever for the load and want a part load tipped on their drive. The firm got convinced to fit them when our TM pointed out that as muck’s priced per load, if we moved 15 6wheeler loads all 1 ton overweight, then we’ve done a load for free; it worked
Police and trading standards escorted an 8 wheeler waste compactor truck into our yard for weighing, we were unable to check it as it was off the top range of the weighbridge at over 50t. Turned out that they took it to a bigger bridge and it grossed 56t. Apparently he was doing 2 collection rounds with only 1 trip to the dump
alun:
as im a logger with my own scales and crane i always run
around the 44200/44500, been pulled no end of times
and have never had a problem (so far)
the boss has informed me that im allowed 1% per axel as its classed as a live load
This sounds like one of the two legit defences for overloading; “at the time of loading the vehicle was not over-loaded and that the weight had not increased by more than 5% in transit” (2010 Eos CPC study guide) Usual reasons would be rain or snow, and I suppose you could argue that it rained and the wood soaked up a bit of water. ‘Live load’? I don’t know a lot about wood. Do trees continue to grow a bit after they’re chopped
All part of the learning curve I suppose, just glad I never got pulled.
