paul b:
i think my selective memory must be brought on by the fact if you drive round sheffield it’s now very difficult to find any trace of brittish steel but hey not to worry they’ve built meadow hall which has provided 200 public service jobs, ok 180 of those jobs are filled by eastern europeans but i’m sure it will all work out in the end as i’m sure it will when tata shut the aldwarke steel plant in rotherham, 5-6 thousand jobs will go but look at the land that will be left, we could get a euro grant and build 400 small industrial units that nobody will rent because nobodies got any work!
i really don’t know why they bothered with an election, they might just as well of gone to the local getlemens club and sorted it out over a few cigars and brandy’s, brown could’ve said “look boys, i’ve had a good run and made a few bob, i’ll step down and you two sort out who’s gona be number and number two?” ok nobody in the country actually voted for a torie/lib dem alliance to rule but does that really matter? after all we are only the general public, just sheep in need of a shephead.
we should run a pole on here on the new records that will be set, i’m going for a 20% interest rate and a 25% basic tax rate before the end of 2012 anymore bidders?
I think you’ve got the issue of the headline interest rate mixed up with the real problem which is the difference between what the poor savers like me get for our money and what the banks then lend it out at.If you save money in the bank it gets you about 2% if you’re lucky but if you’re a borrower you pay around 8% or a even lot more.All that after 13 years of a so called working class Labour government.But knowing the Tories and the LibDem lot they probably won’t be going for big direct taxation increases they’ll go for massive rises in indirect taxation and we all know which one of those is usually the first cash cow they go for wether it’s the Labour bunch or this lot.But you’re right about one thing if he had any sense and if he really was the so called working class hero he’d like to think he is Brown should have stepped down years ago and let Blair carry on with finishing the job which Wilson,Callaghan,and Thatcher started here in England and let the SNP get on with getting Scotland out of the zb place.I think even I’d maybe have wanted to go and live in that freezing cold barren wasteland in that case .But the government which we’ve got now was sorted out in a type of gentlemen’s club over a few cigars and some brandy because it’s impossible to vote for two or more parties to govern at once or that would have been one of the options on the ballot paper.It probably does’nt matter much though because end result is always the same in this zb place in that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer and we live under a dictatorship which we can vote for every few years.
paul b:
no but i moved to a mining village before the pit was shut which of coarse is in sheffield where the lunatic also managed to shut all the steel works never to reopen! on the bright side all the manufactoring industry has gone, anything of any remote value is owned by foreign companies so theres not much left for these new public schoolboys/tories to desimate!
Selective memory again Paul. British Steel was morphed into Corus.
Corus was formed on 6th October 1999 through the merger of British Steel and Koninklijke Hoogovens.
That was 2 years after John Major and 2 years into Tony’s labour rule. During that time the Indians were also given Jaguar and Land Rover. Rover was given to firstly the Germans and then to China all under Labour. Margaret has not been in any government role since 1990
On April 2 2007, Corus became a subsidiary of Tata Steel India.
I voted for the Conservatives and the Conservatives won the election with 307 seats, 308 if the Malton vote goes there way. If it was a football match the team with the most goals wins that match.
Con /Lib Dem have a majority. Lab / Lib Dem would still be short of important seats without hoping the smaller parties could join them.
But the idea of a hung parlaiment would have been far better than either one party winning a landslide or a so called coalition government because a massive majority allows policy to be rail roaded through in a dictatorial way without an effective opposition which defeats the object of having a democracy in the first place.That in addition to not being able to call referenda on all policy issues during the term of the government like the Swiss do makes our form of so called democracy a joke and it’s one of the reasons why Switzerland is better off than we are considering they did’nt have the benefit of a massive oil field in their back yard like us.
Carryfast:
But the idea of a hung parlaiment would have been far better than either one party winning a landslide or a so called coalition government because a massive majority allows policy to be rail roaded through in a dictatorial way without an effective opposition which defeats the object of having a democracy in the first place.That in addition to not being able to call referenda on all policy issues during the term of the government like the Swiss do makes our form of so called democracy a joke and it’s one of the reasons why Switzerland is better off than we are considering they did’nt have the benefit of a massive oil field in their back yard like us.
Seeing as you mentioned Rail Roads, don’t forget that Deutsch Bundesbahn (DB) Schenker are now running English Welsh and Scottish Railways. Maybe a hung or a majority government will always have the important policies forced through by the whips, where as what we have now is more rebels in both ruling parties who may just do what PR could do for us. They may put up more back bench revolts on important issues and not waste parliamentary time on fox hunting.
It is early days and whatever party you voted for or wished to be in power would have an altogether difficult job. By providing jobs they have the choice to collect or raise taxes, without tax revenue they have to cut public services. I am willing to let this new type of alliance have a go at that.
Unless of course, the naysayers wanted more of the same, Bliar and Broon for another 5 years. If the turnout was higher the results could have been different, the turnout was higher than the last election but not as high as 1997. I voted Conservative for my local MP Heather Wheeler, it removed the Labour man and no one else came close, just like the final result.
i’ll have a tenner that the basic rate income tax has gone up within the next three months, then all these working class types who like to think they’re actually middle class and voted accordingly will have the next four years to regret their actions, thats if they can keep their jobs that long.
Carryfast:
But the idea of a hung parlaiment would have been far better than either one party winning a landslide or a so called coalition government because a massive majority allows policy to be rail roaded through in a dictatorial way without an effective opposition which defeats the object of having a democracy in the first place.That in addition to not being able to call referenda on all policy issues during the term of the government like the Swiss do makes our form of so called democracy a joke and it’s one of the reasons why Switzerland is better off than we are considering they did’nt have the benefit of a massive oil field in their back yard like us.
Seeing as you mentioned Rail Roads, don’t forget that Deutsch Bundesbahn (DB) Schenker are now running English Welsh and Scottish Railways. Maybe a hung or a majority government will always have the important policies forced through by the whips, where as what we have now is more rebels in both ruling parties who may just do what PR could do for us. They may put up more back bench revolts on important issues and not waste parliamentary time on fox hunting.
It is early days and whatever party you voted for or wished to be in power would have an altogether difficult job. By providing jobs they have the choice to collect or raise taxes, without tax revenue they have to cut public services. I am willing to let this new type of alliance have a go at that.
Unless of course, the naysayers wanted more of the same, Bliar and Broon for another 5 years. If the turnout was higher the results could have been different, the turnout was higher than the last election but not as high as 1997. I voted Conservative for my local MP Heather Wheeler, it removed the Labour man and no one else came close, just like the final result.
But it’s not just jobs which will pay those higher taxes it’s higher earnings and the old system of paying as low wages as possible with unlimited prices and higher taxes will just bring us right back to where we were in 1974-79 and I’m betting that this lot have’nt learnt anything from those days although having said that we don’t even have the union muscle which we had then to at least make a bit of a fight of it before the government set the dogs loose on us all like they always have through history.I reckon that this time though they’re in a catch 22 caused by all those years of wage restraint started by Wilson and Callaghan’s lot and this time they just might find out where,the idea of limited wages and rigging the market in regards to the supply of cheap labour and trying to get blood out of a stone by then trying to put on high levels of taxation and letting the economy try to pass on the extra costs in higher prices which most can’t afford to pay,will finally take us.It will make the recession of the 1980’s seem like a boom.
paul b:
i’ll have a tenner that the basic rate income tax has gone up within the next three months, then all these working class types who like to think they’re actually middle class and voted accordingly will have the next four years to regret their actions, thats if they can keep their jobs that long.
So exactly how many times has the so called Labour government ever done anything to help the working class and if they’ve got any sense those working class miners who brought Heath down in 1974 should still be regretting their actions all these years later and you don’t need to be middle class to know that he ran a better government from the point of view of the working class than any other government has here since.
hmm, interesting that you assume that because i’ve made it clear that i don’t believe any working man should ever vote for the tories, then i must be pro labour? unfortunately there in lies the problem, far to many people think there can only be one of two choices in any general election, this time round those that could be bothered to vote were split between the two and nobody else really got a look in even though neither party could come up with anything that made even the remotest bit of sense, to get us out of this mess that they’ve both got us into with incredibly poor decissions over the last twenty odd year!
i’ve never been in a union and never will be, but i’ve never been rich either.
I voted UKIP just to let you know that some of us had noticed other partys other than the main 3 anyhow, I voted for them cos they want to get us out of The EU & thats all that interested me really.
paul b:
i think my selective memory must be brought on by the fact if you drive round sheffield it’s now very difficult to find any trace of brittish steel but hey not to worry they’ve built meadow hall which has provided 200 public service jobs, ok 180 of those jobs are filled by eastern europeans but i’m sure it will all work out in the end as i’m sure it will when tata shut the aldwarke steel plant in rotherham, 5-6 thousand jobs will go but look at the land that will be left, we could get a euro grant and build 400 small industrial units that nobody will rent because nobodies got any work!
i really don’t know why they bothered with an election, they might just as well of gone to the local getlemens club and sorted it out over a few cigars and brandy’s, brown could’ve said “look boys, i’ve had a good run and made a few bob, i’ll step down and you two sort out who’s gona be number and number two?” ok nobody in the country actually voted for a torie/lib dem alliance to rule but does that really matter? after all we are only the general public, just sheep in need of a shephead.
we should run a pole on here on the new records that will be set, i’m going for a 20% interest rate and a 25% basic tax rate before the end of 2012 anymore bidders?
quite possibly true, but there again, what government let them in?
i know that sounded slightly racist, but it was not written or meant in that way, it was there to show what government was in power when we gave up our rights to admit or refuse work entry into our country
Surprisingly enough although not counting the minority parties since David Sutch died I have had faith in several MPs regardless of the party politics.
I believe John Smith (RIP) would have made a better prime minister than Blair or Brown. I respected Mo Mowlem very much and I do regard Ken Clarke as one of the Elder statesmen along with Michael Heseltine.
John Major although slightly grey was a respected chancellor and was the bloke who started the peace process whatever Labour say. My respect for Tony Blair was at the Funeral of the Princess of Wales when he spake from the heart.
Even Tony Benn has a place in history as a respected MP
With a coalition I believe some good ideas will be bounced around in private and then sold to the public and the opposition. It beats the Labour rail roading of new bills and stealth taxes. 157 in the first 8 years of power. £110m more planned in the last Labour budget according to the London Evening
Standard.
paul b:
hmm, interesting that you assume that because i’ve made it clear that i don’t believe any working man should ever vote for the tories, then i must be pro labour? unfortunately there in lies the problem, far to many people think there can only be one of two choices in any general election, this time round those that could be bothered to vote were split between the two and nobody else really got a look in even though neither party could come up with anything that made even the remotest bit of sense, to get us out of this mess that they’ve both got us into with incredibly poor decissions over the last twenty odd year!
i’ve never been in a union and never will be, but i’ve never been rich either.
The credible choices as to who it’s possible to vote for and with a chance of putting that into action depends on where you live.Down here the are only really two choices with any chance of being the MP Conservative or Lib Dem.I’ve always lived in safe Conservative constituencies although the Conservatives lost one of them during the 1990’s to the Lib Dems and it’s stayed Lib Dem since.Voting for anyone else is just a wasted vote.However none of the parties seem to come up with much which makes the remotest sense.Probably because all of their university education only teaches (brainwashes) them with what the establishment wants them to know and one of the biggest issues is the economic university bs which says that inflation is wage led when even someone like me who did’nt bother with school where I could help it knows that it is in fact price and tax led.It’s the ignorance of that simple fact where all of our current problems are based.Although having said that those university tossers seem happy enough to make an exception to their bs ideas on economics when those wages in question are their own and/or those of their mates in upper management or in the higher paying jobs in government like MP’s for instance.
paul b:
i think my selective memory must be brought on by the fact if you drive round sheffield it’s now very difficult to find any trace of brittish steel but hey not to worry they’ve built meadow hall which has provided 200 public service jobs, ok 180 of those jobs are filled by eastern europeans but i’m sure it will all work out in the end as i’m sure it will when tata shut the aldwarke steel plant in rotherham, 5-6 thousand jobs will go but look at the land that will be left, we could get a euro grant and build 400 small industrial units that nobody will rent because nobodies got any work!
i really don’t know why they bothered with an election, they might just as well of gone to the local getlemens club and sorted it out over a few cigars and brandy’s, brown could’ve said “look boys, i’ve had a good run and made a few bob, i’ll step down and you two sort out who’s gona be number and number two?” ok nobody in the country actually voted for a torie/lib dem alliance to rule but does that really matter? after all we are only the general public, just sheep in need of a shephead.
we should run a pole on here on the new records that will be set, i’m going for a 20% interest rate and a 25% basic tax rate before the end of 2012 anymore bidders?
quite possibly true, but there again, what government let them in?
i know that sounded slightly racist, but it was not written or meant in that way, it was there to show what government was in power when we gave up our rights to admit or refuse work entry into our country
We give up ‘our’ rights when we’ve put in the dictatorships which we vote for around every 5 years.The idea of work entry is what numerous British governments have used as a way of rigging the labour market in the employers favour and which keeps wage levels artificially lower than they would be if wages could keep pace with price and tax increases with a more limited pool of labour for the employers to choose from which is why most immigration into Britain has come from much poorer countries where a relatively low British wage seems relatively high from their point of view.
paul b:
i think my selective memory must be brought on by the fact if you drive round sheffield it’s now very difficult to find any trace of brittish steel but hey not to worry they’ve built meadow hall which has provided 200 public service jobs, ok 180 of those jobs are filled by eastern europeans but i’m sure it will all work out in the end as i’m sure it will when tata shut the aldwarke steel plant in rotherham, 5-6 thousand jobs will go but look at the land that will be left, we could get a euro grant and build 400 small industrial units that nobody will rent because nobodies got any work!
It is a bit scary to have Sun readers with a vote. Meadowhall was built by Malcolm and Eddie Healey after a failed attempt by Barnsley scrap dealer, Paul Sykes, supporter and party member of UKIP. Conservatives depending on the day of the week and the benefits to himself.
However the 200? or 180 foreigners?? are not Public Service Workers. Civil Servants in Meadowhall! whatever next?
Healey Brothers.
Newholme Paints
Status Discount
Humber Kitchens
Hygena
MFI
Meadowhall
British Land.
Wren Kitchens
The Healeys apparently hid away from cameras, and were rarely photographed. What a shame as they drank in the pub I used and anyone could have snapped them and sold the images on Ebay.
for a wagon driver you seem to have far to much time on your hands!
lets face it people who vote do so based on their own agenda, if for instance you own a couple of properties that are bought and paid for or you’ve got a nice lump of cash sat some where that your not getting much of a return on you might well vote conservative on the other hand if your someone who goes out grafting every week to pay your bills you’d never vote for a party who’s first act in government will be to increase income tax and leave you with less money than you had before to pay the same bills which are now going to be more because they will also increase vat!
the tories will come in with increased taxes and reduced public spending, everyone will moan but grin and bare it for four years, labour will win the next election and spend more money they havn’t got and on it goes, same ■■■■ different day.
paul b:
:lol: for a wagon driver you seem to have far to much time on your hands!
lets face it people who vote do so based on their own agenda, if for instance you own a couple of properties that are bought and paid for or you’ve got a nice lump of cash sat some where that your not getting much of a return on you might well vote conservative on the other hand if your someone who goes out grafting every week to pay your bills you’d never vote for a party who’s first act in government will be to increase income tax and leave you with less money than you had before to pay the same bills which are now going to be more because they will also increase vat!
the tories will come in with increased taxes and reduced public spending, everyone will moan but grin and bare it for four years, labour will win the next election and spend more money they havn’t got and on it goes, same [zb] different day.
There are always times in a ‘wagon driver’s’ career when you’ll need to rely more on what you’ve managed to put in the bank than working for lots of different reasons ranging from unemployment to early/semi/ retirement on health grounds etc.etc. and in those circumstances no one would vote for a party which gave the right to set interest rates to those who stand to make a big profit by rigging the margin between savings and lending rates.You’re right though in saying that no one actually wants to vote for a party which wants to increase taxes,prices,cut services,and spend money which they have’nt got.The difficult bit is finding a party that’s got the brains to run an economy in which all of those conflicting criterea are sorted in a way which understands that raising taxes and prices without an equal increase in earnings won’t work so that’s the LabLibDemCon bunch of tossers out then.So exactly which party has ever gone into an election which promised that minimum/all earnings would automatically be directly linked to price and tax increases and to make sure that ‘not spending money you have’nt got’ does’nt translate into public service cuts ■■?.But it’s obvious to even a trained monkey that if we’re going to throw ourselves to the wolves by trying to make our industries compete with mickey mouse countries with uncivilised levels of public services,health care,and wage levels which would’nt even pay our tax bills for the week then we’re going to have to become a mickey mouse country with the same living standards as them.
Lets do the what the french do!!! blockade the ports…mmm they seem to get away with it but what you have to do first is be in the same union as the Police wonder if it would do any good, the problem is with us brits we just sit back and take it, I’ve been to some agencies here in Austria and they have to employ Austrians first… bet we can’t do that there in the uk can we, but they do it here begger belief of what the rest of Europe do with all this EU crap they take the money cos it suits them but the laws they pick and choose which to follow… heres one for you if I g across the border to slovenia and get ciggaretes how many can I bring back with me legally? and slovenia is a full member of the EU… bet noone gets it right and there is a limit set by the EU
="Carryfast.You’re right though in saying that no one actually wants to vote for a party which wants to increase taxes,prices,cut services,and spend money which they have’nt got.:
but as crazy as it is thats whats just happened ok there wasn’t enough to vote the tories into power but there was enough to give them the biggest carrot to dangle infront of the libdems, it just baffles me who these people are that earn so much and are so comfitable financially that they can vote for a party who’s made it quite clear they intend to increase income tax and therefore reduce everyones wages at a time when the cost of living is spiralling out of control?
.But the government which we’ve got now was sorted out in a type of gentlemen’s club over a few cigars and some brandy because it’s impossible to vote for two or more parties to govern at once or that would have been one of the options on the ballot paper.It probably does’nt matter much though because end result is always the same in this zb place in that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer and we live under a dictatorship which we can vote for every few years.
