I just heard we had 200,000 odd immigrants turn up in 2013. Dunno if that’s the balance of payments or if that’s taking into account any that have left.
Now, my parents were immigrants to this country from Ireland even though I was born here, I can understand people wanting to come here for jobs but at the moment there is no DECENT jobs about apart from JLR maybe. Who’s employing all these people?
Save us Nigel & slow the flow! (Tic).
Was on m6 at jnc 36 a few weeks back when a w+d tried to pass me. I lifted as I was light.
I passed him within half a mile, and didnt go above 54mph.
Took till tebay for him to pass me again and then I got repast by the services!!!
All the time I was sat at 54 on cc.
Iif I had wanted to I could of booted the ol puddle jumper. But thought it would embarrass him to much.
Followed him till he turned off in to Kingstown!
I saw a shockingly bad bit of driving this morning at Newmarket by 2 of Scotts transport with the grey FHs pulling containers.
1st lorry overtook the lorry in front of me (who was doing at least 55mph) westbound between A142 and the services, his mate behind him was about 6ft off his bumper, when 1st motor got past, the 2nd motor went past, then passed his mate, he managed to get in front only cos his mate slowed down to let him in, then they both anchored on like ■■■■ as they decided to go into the services.
No backing off halfway up a hill for a prat. That wasn’t overtaking on the left, learn your road rules ! So many half wits calling theirselves professional drivers that in reality couldn’t drive a nail through a bar of soap. No wonder you’ve all got a bad name now, being tarred with the same brush.
Dieseldoforme:
‘…It starts with common courtesy…’
Although it’s taken time for me to get a grip upon, I’ve become accustomed to there being nothing other than geographical proximity that we have in ‘…common…’ within today’s, diverse UK society.
The ultra-liberalism of everyday social realities bare that out too - so who are we as lorry drivers to stay stuck in yesteryear when the Government neither budgets for, nor adheres to nor does much to advocate it 
However, and this will rattle many, I’m sure, I apply Christian spirit to defy any encountered ‘dog-eat-dog’ nastiness when it tries to grip me out there.
My guess is that it’s less about society having much in common but more to do with shared Christian values of respecting another by slowing a little, eg., for a witless but optimistic overtaker who is gripped with unrealistic ambition when we find ourselves to be in a position with potential grace in lane one to do so
Dieseldoforme:
‘…Slowing down when a Driving Examiner would expect you to slow down is not a bad starting point…’
A driving examiner also expects one to make progress whilst surrounded by poorly focussed Muppets 
The Soulman:
I continued at my steady speed in the inside lane and after a short while went back in front of the wagon and drag, as I did this the driver blasted his horn and in between making rude gestures, started waving his fists about and appeared to be offering to ask me to pull over and indulge him in a bout of fisticuffs.I was a little puzzled by this reaction as it seemed to me that I had done nothing wrong as I had not caused him to slow down or take any other action and we had both been able to continue up the hill at the maximum we could and all he had to do was drop in behind me, continue as normal and await another passing oportunity.
You were right, he was well in the wrong regardless of what the Highway Code quoters might like to tell you. Also do not ever lower yourself to engaging these idiots who like giving it a load when they’re safely sat in their cabs.
Here is what a Solicitor has to say on the legalities of undertaking.
Not that I (and it would seem many others) would deem this undertaking in this particular instance.
The reality is that undertaking is the case, when the plod say it is!
Many many years ago, I was teaching a mate to drive. We had L plates on the car and were following a police car. We came up to a set of lights (that I knew well) with 2 straight-on lanes and no option to turn right. The police car chose to stop in the right hand lane (as the lights were red) and I pretty much knew what was coming next… Anyway I advised my friend to pull up in the left hand lane (as to my knowledge you should use the most available left hand lane). So when the lights went green, we and the plod set off (Straight on) Obviously we didn’t gun it, and it was a Triumph Dolomite 1300 (so gunning it wasn’t an option anyway). The police car pulled away as slow as it possibly could, and once we had passed it by a clear lenght, the plod pulled in behind us and put the flashers on. (Surprise Surprise). As I was technically in charge of my learner friend, I asked why we had been pulled over, and was told by the lovely lady plod that we had been pulled over for undertaking. I obviously disagreed with her point of view (for all the good I knew it would do me), and told her that hesitant driving is also basically an offence, as you can fail your test for it. (My sister did). As you can imagine, we got a HORT1 (Producer) for our troubles, and then went on a mission that night and managed to rack up 3 HORT1’s in the evening. The desk Sargent in the plod shop wasn’t happy when we took all 3 in later that night (with 3 lots of paperwork to do), and told us we should have informed the 2 subsequent plod that we already had an active HORT1 to produce our documents against. Can’t imagine why we didn’t think of that ourselves…
So in my opinion, there is no real technical definition of undertaking. It is undertaking when the plod tell you it is!
Happy Keith:
Dieseldoforme:
‘…It starts with common courtesy…’Although it’s taken time for me to get a grip upon, I’ve become accustomed to there being nothing other than geographical proximity that we have in ‘…common…’ within today’s, diverse UK society.
The ultra-liberalism of everyday social realities bare that out too - so who are we as lorry drivers to stay stuck in yesteryear when the Government neither budgets for, nor adheres to nor does much to advocate it
However, and this will rattle many, I’m sure, I apply Christian spirit to defy any encountered ‘dog-eat-dog’ nastiness when it tries to grip me out there.
My guess is that it’s less about society having much in common but more to do with shared Christian values of respecting another by slowing a little, eg., for a witless but optimistic overtaker who is gripped with unrealistic ambition when we find ourselves to be in a position with potential grace in lane one to do so
Firstly the guy in the w&d is a bad driver for his lack of anticipation of the hill situation, and a complete ■■■■ for his reaction end of.
However, 9 times out of 10 in these situations I tend to back off a couple of clicks to let a motor in that is losing momentum, unless it is in the extreme. In my opinion if I don’t it makes me as bad, or even worse a driver than the overtaker with the poor judgement issues, it’s called professionalism, and it also comes across to the bad driver as a demonstration of such 
Putting the rosy glasses on for a minute, this was not an issue 20+ years ago, mostly because there were no limiters, but also because there was a mutual courtesy between truck drivers then that was taken for granted, or the norm, if you lost power you could bet your wages that the guy would back off a click and flash you when it was safe.
Today there is too much of the “I’m ok so ■■■■ you mate” attitude demonstrated today among a hell of a lot of “drivers” and a reduction in common courtesy, not just in overtaking scenarios but generally. apart that is, from the real drivers still among us
Left hand down!:
'… youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4…’
Sorry bud, I don’t ‘do’ links
robroy:
Firstly the guy in the w&d is a bad driver for his lack of anticipation of the hill situation, and a complete ■■■■ for his reaction end of.
However, 9 times out of 10 in these situations I tend to back off a couple of clicks to let a motor in that is losing momentum, unless it is in the extreme. In my opinion if I don’t it makes me as bad, or even worse a driver than the overtaker with the poor judgement issues, it’s called professionalism, and it also comes across to the bad driver as a demonstration of such
Putting the rosy glasses on for a minute, this was not an issue 20+ years ago, mostly because there were no limiters, but also because there was a mutual courtesy between truck drivers then that was taken for granted, or the norm, if you lost power you could bet your wages that the guy would back off a click and flash you when it was safe.
Today there is too much of the “I’m ok so [zb] you mate” attitude demonstrated today among a hell of a lot of “drivers” and a reduction in common courtesy, not just in overtaking scenarios but generally. apart that is, from the real drivers still among us
I appreciate your reply and if I had have been on the flat I would have without doubt backed off and let him in,the thing is,in this particular instance I was fully laden with 26 pallets of paint (HEAVY) and was struggling up the hill myself, if I had have backed off to allow him in, I’d have most likely have come to almost a complete standstill.
Also I absolutely do not understand his (To my mind) over the top reaction to me continuing up the hill at my steady pace,as I have already stated,had the roles been reversed,I would not have had any problem with what I did as I accept that we (HGV drivers) all sometimes make a slight error of judgement with regard to overtaking and end up having to drop in behind. (Not a problem for me)
I like to think that I’m generally (Excluding the occasional complete ■■■■■■■■■ a courteous/considerate driver to all other road users and imparticular HGV drivers as I know the daily ■■■■/complete clown road users that they/we have to put up with.
Regards, The Soulman.
The Soulman:
robroy:
Firstly the guy in the w&d is a bad driver for his lack of anticipation of the hill situation, and a complete ■■■■ for his reaction end of.
However, 9 times out of 10 in these situations I tend to back off a couple of clicks to let a motor in that is losing momentum, unless it is in the extreme. In my opinion if I don’t it makes me as bad, or even worse a driver than the overtaker with the poor judgement issues, it’s called professionalism, and it also comes across to the bad driver as a demonstration of such
Putting the rosy glasses on for a minute, this was not an issue 20+ years ago, mostly because there were no limiters, but also because there was a mutual courtesy between truck drivers then that was taken for granted, or the norm, if you lost power you could bet your wages that the guy would back off a click and flash you when it was safe.
Today there is too much of the “I’m ok so [zb] you mate” attitude demonstrated today among a hell of a lot of “drivers” and a reduction in common courtesy, not just in overtaking scenarios but generally. apart that is, from the real drivers still among usI appreciate your reply and if I had have been on the flat I would have without doubt backed off and let him in,the thing is,in this particular instance I was fully laden with 26 pallets of paint (HEAVY) and was struggling up the hill myself, if I had have backed off to allow him in, I’d have most likely have come to almost a complete standstill.
Also I absolutely do not understand his (To my mind) over the top reaction to me
Yeh, as I said 9 times out of 10 except in the extreme…reckon this could fit the 1 out of 10 exception.
I also said the guy was a ■■■■ for his ott reaction. 
