You do know that the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine has been in a state of civil war for nine years now, right?
Zac_A:
I think Putin, like Hitler with Operation Barbarossa, simply underestimated his opposition.We know Putin believed his Special Military Operation would be a simple blitzkrieg, it is clear he expected the West to do nothing, as we did in 2014.
Now he’s stuck, he’ll have people around him who won’t want another Soviet-Afghanistan situation, and I imagine he’ll be worried about a potential coup.
“Uneasy lies the head that wears a crown”
More like the wrong call in trying to deal with the problem of NATO eastward expansion by avoiding direct confrontation with NATO.
Russia’s military, who ultimately control Putin, has made it clear that all bets are now off in that regard.But you won’t see it on the BBC propaganda service.
Bearing in mind that Afghanistan was never considered by Russia as being important enough to invoke the existential threat defence level which includes first use of strategic nukes.
the maoster:
Carryfast:
Ironically both Adolf’s and Stalin’s respective regimes were the direct result of us and France demonising the Kaiser and Germany as described by Orwell.Awesome!
Do you not think that the invasion of x number of countries and the wholesale murder of six million Jews was not worth us “stepping in?”
FDR knew ahead of his re-election campaign in 1936 that the Nazis were systemically murdering people, but decided “not to go to war”.
75million plus - were murdered by the Nazis, a number that doesn’t include battlefield casualties on all sides combined. 6 million out of 75 million - is giving rather too much weight to the Final Solution atrocities that came later compared to the persecution of Gypsies, Handicapped, and most of all - Slavic peoples, this latter group arguably losing the highest number of all from among the ■■■■’s victims… Not much “White Supremacy” there, considering the Slavic peoples on the whole as as white as can be!
Putin is already considered more of a Hitler than a Stalin - also rather odd…
It is almost as if the rest of the world “couldn’t give a ■■■■” about the huge death toll, but DID pipe up - once their own deep state number were being put 6 feet under…
Even after Dunkirk - the best “help” the yanks could offer us was “Lend Lease” and a handful of “Volunteers”.
It took Germany’s Allies bombing Pearl Harbour - to force FDR’s hand, and try and make himself the “righteous victim” in all of this, which of course - he succeeded in doing.
I would conclude therefore that had FDR acted in 1935 against Germany with a declaration of war at that point - not only would he have saved millions of lives around the world, but would also have prematurely ended the Depression, and likely dodged the Dust Bowl as well…
Instead though, he plundered peoples savings, made it illegal to own “Gold”, and acted against - What? - other than western Civilization that could easily have been whipped into a fervour against rising power ■■■■ Germany as early as 1934… It was done over Ukraine a year back, after all… Not all wars are equal, however…
There’s a lot more at stake here than we’re being told, and it has little to do with either Zelensky or Putin.
Winseer:
the maoster:
Carryfast:
Ironically both Adolf’s and Stalin’s respective regimes were the direct result of us and France demonising the Kaiser and Germany as described by Orwell.Awesome!
FDR knew ahead of his re-election campaign in 1936 that the Nazis were systemically murdering people, but decided “not to go to war”.
75million plus - were murdered by the Nazis, a number that doesn’t include battlefield casualties on all sides combined. 6 million out of 75 million - is giving rather too much weight to the Final Solution atrocities that came later compared to the persecution of Gypsies, Handicapped, and most of all - Slavic peoples, this latter group arguably losing the highest number of all from among the ■■■■’s victims… Not much “White Supremacy” there, considering the Slavic peoples on the whole as as white as can be!Putin is already considered more of a Hitler than a Stalin - also rather odd…
It is almost as if the rest of the world “couldn’t give a ■■■■” about the huge death toll, but DID pipe up - once their own deep state number were being put 6 feet under…
Even after Dunkirk - the best “help” the yanks could offer us was “Lend Lease” and a handful of “Volunteers”.
It took Germany’s Allies bombing Pearl Harbour - to force FDR’s hand, and try and make himself the “righteous victim” in all of this, which of course - he succeeded in doing.I would conclude therefore that had FDR acted in 1935 against Germany with a declaration of war at that point - not only would he have saved millions of lives around the world, but would also have prematurely ended the Depression, and likely dodged the Dust Bowl as well…
Instead though, he plundered peoples savings, made it illegal to own “Gold”, and acted against - What? - other than western Civilization that could easily have been whipped into a fervour against rising power ■■■■ Germany as early as 1934… It was done over Ukraine a year back, after all… Not all wars are equal, however…
There’s a lot more at stake here than we’re being told, and it has little to do with either Zelensky or Putin.
‘If’ we had stayed out of WW1 in 1914, by ‘understanding’ Germany’s position, regarding Russian aggression against Germany being backed by France, including the unsustainability of Belgium’s neutrality as part of that.
France would have had to chuck Russia under the bus, there would have been no WW1 and no Versailles Treaty and no Hitler campaign and coup based on the pretext of it.
Germany and Britain would have both been super powers without all the blood and treasure lost by both fighting WW1.
As for Russia who would have cared having been crushed by Germany, backed by Britain and possibly Japan, before the resulting small localised war of Russian aggression on the Eastern Front, had even started also making any ‘Russian Revolution’ resulting from it moot.
Which leaves the question why did Britain, France and Germany keep fighting after Russia had withdrawn from WW1 in 1917 and thereby removing the original reason for it.
Now awaits Franglais’ answer to that.
In his “heroic effort to protect the population in Eastern Ukraine*”, Putin has again launched missiles affecting the Nuclear power plant in Zaporizhzhian.
The plant isn`t producing power for the Ukraine grid.
"the director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) called for a commitment to protecting the safety of the plant, saying he was “astonished by the complacency” surrounding the successive strikes since the invasion began.
“Each time we are rolling a dice. And if we allow this to continue time after time then one day our luck will run out,” Rafael Grossi said."
- yeah,right.
Ed to add: the plant is not producing electricity but does need supplies from the Ukraine grid to run it`s cooling and safety systems.
Franglais:
In his “heroic effort to protect the population in Eastern Ukraine*”, Putin has again launched missiles affecting the Nuclear power plant in Zaporizhzhian.
The plant isn`t producing power for the Ukraine grid.
"the director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) called for a commitment to protecting the safety of the plant, saying he was “astonished by the complacency” surrounding the successive strikes since the invasion began.“Each time we are rolling a dice. And if we allow this to continue time after time then one day our luck will run out,” Rafael Grossi said."
- yeah,right.
If the plant isn’t producing power then all the control rods obviously must be in which means no fission.
In which case why are we being told by the IAEA that without electric supply to the plant to run Cooling pumps there will be a melt down when the back up generators run out of diesel.
Russia isn’t in the business of creating another Chernobyl in its own back yard.
A tactical nuke on Poland or Strategic ICBM on London if we don’t stop NATO’s ‘containment’ defence policy, possibly and more likely.
The only message that it sends is that NATO thinks that Russia can be defeated by conventional means.
Thereby also making Russia think that it’s facing an existential threat, and that NATO is scared of the Mutually Assured Destruction defence strategy which kept the peace until NATO decided to park it’s tanks on Russia’s front lawn.
Good luck with that.
The whole western leadership combined doesn’t have the intelligence of JFK.