OCRS Blue Companies who send of your Tacho

Is there any comeback if the DVSA see you have been naughty? Or is it the usual they have 28 days to catch you in person. I’m talking about the blue companies who grass you up to the DVSA and take perfection on tachos seriously.

I’ve not actually been naughty. I work nights and with the hour going forward to keep records easy we were told to keep the old time for our paperwork. And agency online wage notes show the wrong time. I manually entered that time giving me 8 hours rest rather than 9. Given they scan my card each shift to make sure we are legal I know I didn’t do anything wrong really.

I’m just wondering if I will get anything in the mail? The transport bloke seemed to think it was a big deal. Without being blase I won’t be losing sleep but just wondered.

28 days only applies to what they can deal with at the roadside. So if you’ve got serious infringements dating back further than that you will still be dealt with just not at the roadside. Managing to dodge them for 4 weeks doesn’t put you in the clear.
In your case nothing will happen. It’s a mistake caused by manual entry and the clocks changing. Do a print out and write your excuses and carry it with you if you’re that concerned. If nothing else it’ll show you’re aware of the mistake.

I’ve never heard of a company dobbing you into DVSA because you went over your time by a few minutes…

Radar19:
I’ve never heard of a company dobbing you into DVSA because you went over your time by a few minutes…

gov.uk/government/news/dvsa … e-launched

They’ll regularly share performance information with DVSA, such as their MOT initial pass rates and if their drivers have broken drivers’ hours rules.

In return, their vehicles are less likely to be stopped for roadside inspections, saving them time and money. DVSA will still stop vehicles if they’re in an obviously dangerous condition.

Tacho records in UCT time which doesn’t change twice a year.

stinkinunrich:
Tacho records in UCT time which doesn’t change twice a year.

This. The display time can be set to whatever time.

But always ALWAYS a tacho will record everything in UTC.

sammym:

Radar19:
I’ve never heard of a company dobbing you into DVSA because you went over your time by a few minutes…

gov.uk/government/news/dvsa … e-launched

They’ll regularly share performance information with DVSA, such as their MOT initial pass rates and if their drivers have broken drivers’ hours rules.

In return, their vehicles are less likely to be stopped for roadside inspections, saving them time and money. DVSA will still stop vehicles if they’re in an obviously dangerous condition.

It isn’t that they are grassing the drivers up, it just means what it says on the tin, they get stopped less because DVSA have all the information anyway. It also means the company has to be run right, which I keep reading on here, is what most drivers want.

Sooner or later, everyone will have to sign up to it I expect.

albion:

sammym:

Radar19:
I’ve never heard of a company dobbing you into DVSA because you went over your time by a few minutes…

gov.uk/government/news/dvsa … e-launched

They’ll regularly share performance information with DVSA, such as their MOT initial pass rates and if their drivers have broken drivers’ hours rules.

In return, their vehicles are less likely to be stopped for roadside inspections, saving them time and money. DVSA will still stop vehicles if they’re in an obviously dangerous condition.

It isn’t that they are grassing the drivers up, it just means what it says on the tin, they get stopped less because DVSA have all the information anyway. It also means the company has to be run right, which I keep reading on here, is what most drivers want.

Sooner or later, everyone will have to sign up to it I expect.

I’m all for running right Albion. And tbh I think the company are great. I am never rushed - to the point I have hours to spare. I have time to do everything I should be doing. And if I say I’m not happy with a vehicle then it’s taken out of service until it’s been examined by a mechanic. If I’m not happy with a trailer it’s the same - if that involves pulling the load off and putting it on a new trailer then thats fine. Which is why we are not run tight at all.

However, this was an admin mistake caused by my stupidity and the clocks changing. In my defence, I had the office saying they were clocking me out at 12 (rather than 11 - so I got paid for all 15 off my hours with clock changes). And then stupidly I put this on manual entry. When I started at 8 I obviously only had 8 hours rest according to the computer even though I really had 9.

When I explain that I think a reasonable person would think I was a plonker but no big drama. But on the face of it they are sending data saying I only had 8 hours with no explanation. That wouldn’t even be possible as we have our cards scanned before we get the keys to check we are legal.

I get what you mean Sammy, but I can’t answer the question. I half looked at earnedcrecignition myself but not enough to see what happened in the case of daft mistakes. I had one a few weeks back, where a driver had come in on his day off because he left his wallet in the cab. Put his card in for one minute to check something…so he’d been working more than six days.

Earned Recognition looks like a lot of work.

albion:
I get what you mean Sammy, but I can’t answer the question. I half looked at earnedcrecignition myself but not enough to see what happened in the case of daft mistakes. I had one a few weeks back, where a driver had come in on his day off because he left his wallet in the cab. Put his card in for one minute to check something…so he’d been working more than six days.

Earned Recognition looks like a lot of work.

Why didn’t he just put the card into the reader in the office what a plank!

Any firm worth working for would likely sign up to the scheme, I would have thought infringements in any great number would be dealt with by the company before the DVSA became involved, one thing worth doing if you get the odd infringement is to ask the person who deals with tachograph data to run a report which details the possible cost of infringements in roadside fines, you may be in for a shock.

One of those things that we all do, go to the fridge and pick up OJ instead of milk, a lot of life is lived on autopilot.

One of the other Operators on here looked at it more deeply than I did and reckoned it was a lot of work to do. Not having it doesn’t imply a cowboy firm. We’ve never not been green and the last time a driver left because he didn’t want the job was 2010 ( and he asked to come back), so we must be doing alright. I dare sya I’ll get round to it at some point, but at the moment, far more things on my plate.

albion:
One of the other Operators on here looked at it more deeply than I did and reckoned it was a lot of work to do. Not having it doesn’t imply a cowboy firm. We’ve never not been green and the last time a driver left because he didn’t want the job was 2010 ( and he asked to come back), so we must be doing alright. I dare sya I’ll get round to it at some point, but at the moment, far more things on my plate.

I’ll give my opinion as a driver - not that anyone cares about my opinion especially as it’s me.

It’s a paperwork exercise that costs a lot of money. I’ve worked via agency for two firms who have been part of it. One of which ‘some drivers’ may have taken liberties. I won’t say anything more for those who are too simple to read between the lines. Put it this way - joining does not mean perfection. It means drivers will be cocky enough to do whatever they want.

Frankly - the benefit of ‘fewer stops’ will be outweighed with you and your drivers being worried about silly mistakes like myself and your bloke. You seem like a decent type Albion (even though you mistakenly think I’m a tool) - please don’t become one of those silly employers who take a driver being 3 minutes over the 6 hour WTD rule seriously.

sammym:

albion:
One of the other Operators on here looked at it more deeply than I did and reckoned it was a lot of work to do. Not having it doesn’t imply a cowboy firm. We’ve never not been green and the last time a driver left because he didn’t want the job was 2010 ( and he asked to come back), so we must be doing alright. I dare sya I’ll get round to it at some point, but at the moment, far more things on my plate.

I’ll give my opinion as a driver - not that anyone cares about my opinion especially as it’s me.

It’s a paperwork exercise that costs a lot of money. I’ve worked via agency for two firms who have been part of it. One of which ‘some drivers’ may have taken liberties. I won’t say anything more for those who are too simple to read between the lines. Put it this way - joining does not mean perfection. It means drivers will be cocky enough to do whatever they want.

Frankly - the benefit of ‘fewer stops’ will be outweighed with you and your drivers being worried about silly mistakes like myself and your bloke. You seem like a decent type Albion (even though you mistakenly think I’m a tool) - please don’t become one of those silly employers who take a driver being 3 minutes over the 6 hour WTD rule seriously.

Actually sammy, i don’t think you are a tool - I think you have some growing up to do, but then I’m old, so I think that about a lot of people. As a big picture person, I’d never be that pedantic!

albion:
Actually sammy, i don’t think you are a tool - I think you have some growing up to do, but then I’m old, so I think that about a lot of people. As a big picture person, I’d never be that pedantic!

I think that is by far the fairest criticism I’ve got on this website.

I’m unashamedly young for my age - all the lads I joined the army with now are married or/and have kids. The people I went to uni with are far ahead of me in their careers. I’m happily planning my next little adventure.

It wouldn’t work for everyone - but I’m happy and I cause no one any harm. I will stop being Peter Pan when I’m ready, or it’s too late to change my ways. But for now, I am okay with being me - even though I realise it’s not for everyone.

I’m 54 and I still don’t have a career and I’ve never been old enough to have kids or get married. :wink:

Back OT…

To retained earned recognition an operator has to hit certain standards regarding maintenance and compliance.

If these targets are not met, the company which oversees the operator has to report the operator to the DVLA…but the operator is also told and has an opportunity to put things right.

The key thing is that neither the blue company nor the DVSA is expecting 100 % perfection 100 % of the time.

I did some work with one of the operators who was first to get Earned Recognition. They had worked closely with DVLA to decide what the acceptable standard should be.

The DVLA man had said that nothing made them more suspicious than 100 % squeaky clean, 100 % of the time. They don’t expect it.

So I don’t think an honest mistake is going to get you into trouble. The blue company is looking at trends from mass of data regarding tacho, hours, checks, inspections and rectifications.