cav551:
tachograph:
Franglais:
Im no fan of cyclists undertaking, but doesnt anyone else think that opening a door (when not at the kerbside) without looking a “bad thing”?
Yes of course he should have looked before opening the car door, I can’t remember the exact rule but it’s perfectly legal to undertake when a queue of traffic is moving slower than you are.
As much as a lot of cyclists ride irresponsibly that doesn’t excuse other road users from using basic common sense and looking before opening car doors.
Having said that, he’s not the first to forget to check before opining a car door and he won’t be the last, so I wouldn’t be too critical about something any of us could do when our minds on something else.
I think we know exactly what else IT has had its mind on. What bile it can bring up in its latest speech attacking anyone who dares to belong to a union. It has been spouting out of its arse all week and longer about it being perfectly safe for train drivers to open multiple doors, when by sight the furthest is about 200 yards away and the cctv camera images are at best a bit iffy. Yet this prat can’t even open one door, which is actually in its hand, safely.
So who is it who is responsible in this RTC? and who is it who will be supposed to report the incident to his own personal motor insurance company? not the minister, it will be the driver of the limo who is responsible for the action of one of his passengers.
Looking at the video about 0-50 it is very apparent who is not going to report it. ID card swiftly tucked outta sight.
Duncan Dollimore, Cycling UK’s senior road safety and legal campaigns officer, said: “Mr Grayling, as a former justice secretary and the current transport secretary, should know it’s a criminal offence to open any door of a vehicle on a road so as to injure or endanger anyone.”
Lol that’s from another article. So best stay in my car then.
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cav551:
So who is it who is responsible in this RTC? and who is it who will be supposed to report the incident to his own personal motor insurance company? not the minister, it will be the driver of the limo who is responsible for the action of one of his passengers.
To be fair unless it’s a no stopping set down zone the driver is mostly to blame for not indicating and stopping close to the kerb to allow a passenger to open the door safely.Just as a bus driver would.In which it’s my guess the typical undertaking London cyclist would still try to ignore the indication and the parked vehicle ahead of them.
JaxDemon:
Duncan Dollimore, Cycling UK’s senior road safety and legal campaigns officer, said: “Mr Grayling, as a former justice secretary and the current transport secretary, should know it’s a criminal offence to open any door of a vehicle on a road so as to injure or endanger anyone
Picture the scene a bus driver stops at a bus stop and lowers the wheelchair ramp and an undertaking cyclist then ploughs into the wheelchair user getting off the bus thereby injuring them both.Let me guess it’s the bus driver’s fault because there’s no way the PC lot will want to offend either the cyclist or disabled lobby. 
Albert1:
Undertaking is mostly ilegal in the UK .why not for cyclists?The most dangerous of all in town…
in the cycling world [on Jeremy vine]its known as filtering not undertaking,and as usual they feel they are right on this situation,understandable if there was a cycle lane but the cycle lane apparently started a bit further up from graylings car
Chris RM:
dieseldog999:
^^^^^^^^^^^+1 you didnt get it wrong.
the cyclist like the rest of them is a classic PRICKEND!!!.. 
It would appear that she’s not the only one! Attitudes like yours (and other ignorant, intolerant [zb]) only serve to exacerbate the situation! Are all truck drivers Yorkie bar munching, Sun reading fat [zb] prostitute murderers? To say that ALL of any particular group of people behave in a specified way is crass stupidity and laziness!
But, I guess stereotyping other groups in society makes it nice and easy to justify our own intolerance, ignorance and general dislike for anyone/anything different eh?
let me guess Chris RM,i bet you are a cyclist
truckman020:
Albert1:
Undertaking is mostly ilegal in the UK .why not for cyclists?The most dangerous of all in town…
in the cycling world [on Jeremy vine]its known as filtering not undertaking,and as usual they feel they are right on this situation,understandable if there was a cycle lane but the cycle lane apparently started a bit further up from graylings car
Let’s get this right.If a car/truck overtakes them without leaving almost a vehicle’s width seperation distance and they fall off the driver is to blame.If they undertake a vehicle with less than a door’s width from the kerb and run into an opening door or passenger moving from the vehicle to the kerb that’s the passenger’s and driver’s fault. The obvious answer is for Grayling to now bring ‘filtering’ within the rule that if you hit an opening door or turning vehicle or pedestrian or vehicle passenger while undertaking you’re at fault for travelling faster than the speed from which you can stop within the distance you can reasonably expect to remain clear ahead.
On that note question for RM if a car or truck is undertaking right turning traffic and hits a pedestrian ( or a cyclist walking with a bike ) walking across the road between the waiting vehicle’s whose to blame ?. 
truckman020:
let me guess Chris RM,i bet you are a cyclist
I am many things to many people mate As with most people, there are many labels that can be used to describe an individual (and yes - I am an avid cyclist - I’m also an avid petrol head LOL)
PS I have seen the full video and I strongly believe the cyclist was at fault. The driver could have checked but realistically he shouldn’t have had to and had the passenger been anyone else this would have been a complete non-story
Chris RM:
truckman020:
let me guess Chris RM,i bet you are a cyclist
I am many things to many people mate As with most people, there are many labels that can be used to describe an individual (and yes - I am an avid cyclist - I’m also an avid petrol head LOL)
PS I have seen the full video and I strongly believe the cyclist was at fault. The driver could have checked but realistically he shouldn’t have had to and had the passenger been anyone else this would have been a complete non-story
+1
and theres me agreeing with you now…so apart from the cyclist in the vid who in the 1st instant is a prickend…it looks like were all prickends after all…
dieseldog999:
Chris RM:
+1
and theres me agreeing with you now…so apart from the cyclist in the vid who in the 1st instant is a prickend…it looks like were all prickends after all…
One thing I have learnt in my extensive years of travel and interaction is thT cockwombles and prickends exist in all walks of life regardless of creed, colour, class, gender or mode of transport!
Chris RM:
dieseldog999:
Chris RM:
+1
and theres me agreeing with you now…so apart from the cyclist in the vid who in the 1st instant is a prickend…it looks like were all prickends after all…
One thing I have learnt in my extensive years of travel and interaction is thT cockwombles and prickends exist in all walks of life regardless of creed, colour, class, gender or mode of transport!
hhhmmmmm…thats 3 of us now referring to the new buzzword prickends…looks like its catching on. 
LOL it’s nicely expressive!
When she criticised my Prickend I had no choice but to kill her! 
you mean once she found it??.theres nothing kils a ■■■■■ quicker when your lying there grunting and thrusting and hearing those immortal words of endearment…is it in yet■■? 
Chris RM:
truckman020:
let me guess Chris RM,i bet you are a cyclist
I am many things to many people mate As with most people, there are many labels that can be used to describe an individual (and yes - I am an avid cyclist - I’m also an avid petrol head LOL)
PS I have seen the full video and I strongly believe the cyclist was at fault. The driver could have checked but realistically he shouldn’t have had to and had the passenger been anyone else this would have been a complete non-story
nothing wrong with being a cyclist,i keep meaning to get on my mountain bike to try and lose some weight but it’s far too dangerous nowadays,i used to enjoy it too [a few years back]I think it’s more about being a bit lazy regarding exercise,lol
if god had meant you to be riding a bike,he wouldnt have invented cars.
Carryfast:
truckman020:
Albert1:
Undertaking is mostly ilegal in the UK .why not for cyclists?The most dangerous of all in town…
in the cycling world [on Jeremy vine]its known as filtering not undertaking,and as usual they feel they are right on this situation,understandable if there was a cycle lane but the cycle lane apparently started a bit further up from graylings car
Let’s get this right.If a car/truck overtakes them without leaving almost a vehicle’s width seperation distance and they fall off the driver is to blame.If they undertake a vehicle with less than a door’s width from the kerb and run into an opening door or passenger moving from the vehicle to the kerb that’s the passenger’s and driver’s fault. The obvious answer is for Grayling to now bring ‘filtering’ within the rule that if you hit an opening door or turning vehicle or pedestrian or vehicle passenger while undertaking you’re at fault for travelling faster than the speed from which you can stop within the distance you can reasonably expect to remain clear ahead.
On that note question for RM if a car or truck is undertaking right turning traffic and hits a pedestrian ( or a cyclist walking with a bike ) walking across the road between the waiting vehicle’s whose to blame ?.
The bit you need to get your head round here is: The cyclist who is ripping through the traffic at high speed cutting everyone up and behaving like a prize one prickend, probably has a very different attitude to their own safety compared to the next cyclist you meet who could well be trying to do the right thing. It seldom is the lycra clad ■■■■■ that get splattered, it is often young women who are trying to keep out of every bodies way by riding in the gutter. Just because some are eejits don’t mean they all are.
I think filtering has to be allowed, after all you are allowed to undertake in slow moving traffic, but the rules /liability should be like the hatched areas (with the broken lines round them) in the centre of the road, you may be allowed to go into them, but if you’re in an accident it is your fault.
Grayling was an idiot getting out there, out of all people he should have consider cyclists. But as you say the cyclist should have been able to stop, if they couldn’t stop for that car door then they wouldn’t be able to stop for a pedestrian crossing the road in front of the stationary bus.
Chris RM:
dieseldog999:
^^^^^^^^^^^+1 you didnt get it wrong.
the cyclist like the rest of them is a classic PRICKEND!!!..
It would appear that she’s not the only one! Attitudes like yours (and other ignorant, intolerant [zb]) only serve to exacerbate the situation! Are all truck drivers Yorkie bar munching, Sun reading fat [zb] prostitute murderers? To say that ALL of any particular group of people behave in a specified way is crass stupidity and laziness!
But, I guess stereotyping other groups in society makes it nice and easy to justify our own intolerance, ignorance and general dislike for anyone/anything different eh?
The D Dog is probably the most friendly guy to errant cyclists on here and you have seriously misjudged him on the basis of an isolated post.
All he wants to to do is save their lives by blessing them with his own bottle of special water and he has been very consistent about this for quite some time.
Go and check if you like.
However others on here might say “Ban cycle helmets” and don’t interfere with nature but let Darwin’s theory of evolution continue to take care of idiots !!
Hurryup&wait:
Chris RM:
dieseldog999:
^^^^^^^^^^^+1 you didnt get it wrong.
the cyclist like the rest of them is a classic PRICKEND!!!..
It would appear that she’s not the only one! Attitudes like yours (and other ignorant, intolerant [zb]) only serve to exacerbate the situation! Are all truck drivers Yorkie bar munching, Sun reading fat [zb] prostitute murderers? To say that ALL of any particular group of people behave in a specified way is crass stupidity and laziness!
But, I guess stereotyping other groups in society makes it nice and easy to justify our own intolerance, ignorance and general dislike for anyone/anything different eh?
The D Dog is probably the most friendly guy to errant cyclists on here and you have seriously misjudged him on the basis of an isolated post.
All he wants to to do is save their lives by blessing them with his own bottle of special water and he has been very consistent about this for quite some time.
Go and check if you like.
However others on here might say “Ban cycle helmets” and don’t interfere with nature but let Darwin’s theory of evolution continue to take care of idiots !!
id reckon that getting skooshed by a gallon of truckers tier would need to be more favourable than squidged under a cpl of axles if i was a cyclist with no gumption…at least you would dry out before you came out of hospital…you might wiff a bit,but at least you wouldnt be squashed…and if you did it again,then you wouldnt be able to say you wernt warned…tizer hooked up onto the mirror with a eject button.he who cycle and gets covered in pish…lives to get squashed another day…bit of a win win win for everyone there id think…